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02/13/2012 03:42:14 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
You can hypothesize all you want, but that's not THIS image. The thing of it is, this image is extremely contained and static. The similar one MattO showed is much more dynamic. I don't much care about this one way or another anymore (I used to care a lot) but my basic POV is this:
DPC is seriously becoming the Land of the Setup Shot. Voters are responding really well to sophisticated lighting in clear, smooth setups. So, most of the time, most challenges, readily allow for this sort of shot and they do very well. When a challenge like THIS one comes along, which specifically calls for "sports action", I get a little excited, thinking that real-world action is going to rule the roost, and its sort of deflating when by far the highest-rated entry is a studio type shot...
Still, it is what it is. The voters get what they want, they drive the site. I'm just grateful my own little attempt at showing how the skier and the landscape are as one, the zen of skiing as it were, was so well received. There were a lot of wonderful action shots in this challenge; it was one of the highest average scores I have ever given.
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Don't read this wrong- I agree with you. My post was for discussion sake.
But, given the editing rules, it's unfair to fault the voting base as liking "Land of the Setup Shot." If this shot could be captured in game (and it could), it's hard to fault the voter necessarily. They are supposed to vote simply on the image, not on what they thought the image was before hand. If your issue is with how they perceive the photo, it pertains to what is and is not allowed per editing, since this shot could have been captured live but would have taken some editing to get it there.
It might make sense to make challenges such as this more photojournalistic in nature editing-wise.
For me, and I mean this in an absolutely positive sense, I knew exactly which entry was Matt's. It was evident not only by the quality but the editing choices and the PJ approach.
Message edited by author 2012-02-13 15:43:31. |
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02/13/2012 03:44:05 PM · #27 |
| while it doesn't completely meet the description, you cant look at it and not think "sports". |
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02/13/2012 04:58:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
... Anybody who knows lighting knows you can do this ON COURT if you REALLY wanted to, it would just take time.
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No disrespect intended here with the following question; In what venue would you be able (read allowed with permission) to set up lighting to obtain this effect? High School Basketball? NBA Basketball? I just don't see this happening in real life... |
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02/13/2012 05:07:14 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
If this shot could be captured in game (and it could), it's hard to fault the voter necessarily. |
There is no way on God's green earth that this shot could be captured during a game. The photographer made no attempt to create even the illusion of that possibility. It's not just about the lighting, it's about the pose. |
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02/13/2012 05:07:45 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
... Anybody who knows lighting knows you can do this ON COURT if you REALLY wanted to, it would just take time.
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No disrespect intended here with the following question; In what venue would you be able (read allowed with permission) to set up lighting to obtain this effect? High School Basketball? NBA Basketball? I just don't see this happening in real life... |
In practice. It would still be "sports action" even if it was practice action. My quibble with the image, anyway, FWIW, is that it's more "portraiture" than action. I would have understood, incidentally, if mine finished lower than it did because the voters thought it was more about ambiance or scene than action, so I benefited from the same looseness of interpretation, and I'm aware of this.
R.
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02/13/2012 05:57:50 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I would have understood, incidentally, if mine finished lower than it did because the voters thought it was more about ambiance or scene than action, so I benefited from the same looseness of interpretation, and I'm aware of this. |
I almost gave yours a 1 because I didn't see the skier and thought it was yet another screw-the-topic-I'll-enter-whatever-I-want-because-I-think-it's-an-awesome-photo entry. |
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02/13/2012 06:15:04 PM · #32 |
This is an interesting read and one of the first things I thought of when I saw the entry in discussion show up on the voting screen.
Tips From a Pro: Use Strobes to Combat Cluttered Backgrounds In Portraits. Very similar result. |
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02/13/2012 09:24:30 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by herfotoman:
...I did rate staged shots lower than the real thing. |
+1
I am still p.o.'d that a carefully setup shot with a model and barely any action in it, came out over a shot of a total stranger that was a pure capture with shitty lighting and minimal pp done to it, but frickin bristling with dynamism, energy and a display of actual pure athletic ability.
Hell, I could stand there in basketball clothes and dribble a ball and glower at some photog...but could I do even half of what that boarder's doing?! Absolutely no way.
Message edited by author 2012-02-13 22:48:53. |
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02/13/2012 09:46:46 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
DPC is seriously becoming the Land of the Setup Shot. |
hate to disagree, bear ;-)
but it's been this way for years
and this is probably the single biggest reason why i don't enter challenges. i capture images, i don't create them...and as rewarding as it is for me, it's just not enough to compete here.
just my ;-)
Message edited by author 2012-02-13 21:47:02. |
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02/13/2012 10:33:44 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Skip:
...and this is probably the single biggest reason why i don't enter challenges. i capture images, i don't create them...and as rewarding as it is for me, it's just not enough to compete here. |
well, Skip, I certainly feel your pain, but Robert's own entry in this challenge proves that it is hard, but not impossible. Take on the challenge, I would love to see your stuff back in the mix! |
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02/13/2012 10:51:09 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by Skip:
...and this is probably the single biggest reason why i don't enter challenges. i capture images, i don't create them...and as rewarding as it is for me, it's just not enough to compete here. |
well, Skip, I certainly feel your pain, but Robert's own entry in this challenge proves that it is hard, but not impossible. Take on the challenge, I would love to see your stuff back in the mix! |
thanks, lev. i know it's not impossible, but just highly unlikely...
the setup-vs-capture debate has been going on forever, and, as robt, et al, have pointed out, dpc just leans more towards the setup side. |
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02/14/2012 12:11:57 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Skip:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
DPC is seriously becoming the Land of the Setup Shot. |
hate to disagree, bear ;-)
but it's been this way for years
and this is probably the single biggest reason why i don't enter challenges. i capture images, i don't create them...and as rewarding as it is for me, it's just not enough to compete here.
just my ;-) |
Skip I finished in the top 10 with an image taken on an assignment. Although I did strobe the venue to ensure lower ISO and colors that weren't drab. But as a professional I would have done that anyway. :D
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02/14/2012 12:24:48 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Skip I finished in the top 10 with an image taken on an assignment. Although I did strobe the venue to ensure lower ISO and colors that weren't drab. But as a professional I would have done that anyway. :D |
my last two top-10s came on assignment...
nearly two years ago and nearly five years ago
 
it's just rare for me that a challenge topic overlaps with what i'm shooting. and even then, my images just aren't dpc-challenge friendly ;-) |
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02/15/2012 01:47:20 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by jagar:
That's what is bugging me lately, it's becoming too obvious what needs to be done to get the average voter to give me a high score, I no longer get the buzz that I used too, its just too predictable, I have to find my beginners mind with regards to photography, to do that I have to move away from the average voter, which obviously means shity scores, it's a really tight fit at the top with very little space to maneuver. |
What do you call when someone repeats something you've said a hundred times in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011? Is that like a mega-yanko'd? :P
If there was a school for winning DPC ribbons it would contain just two classes: How to operate photographic machinery and how to use photographic software. Oh and some tips on how to find pretty models in case you suck at operating machinery.
Message edited by author 2012-02-15 14:00:53. |
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02/15/2012 02:03:35 PM · #40 |
The problem that I had with the 1st place shot, was that it still had movement to it. It may not have fit the straightforward definition of sports action, but I still scored it high because I felt movement in it. I felt the intensity of the player. The ball is just stopped in time, but I felt like, if someone pushed the play button, it would be moving. It feels like coiled energy, and completely different than a static, typical sports shot of someone standing up straight holding their sports implement of choice.
So while it didn't fit my literal definition of the challenge, I thought it still fit.
People have been complaining about all the DNMCs going around -- people not being open minded. Yet people wanted this one DNMCd. It fits -- just not the literal translation.
That being said, I do wish there were challenges that were designated as "no setup shots allowed". I still don't enjoy the setup shots. I prefer the found shots instead of the created, and I do it whenever I possibly can. However, the majority of my shots are still setup, simply because of the type of challenges. Seriously -- it's really hard to find a SPAM shot. You have to create it.
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02/15/2012 02:08:11 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
That being said, I do wish there were challenges that were designated as "no setup shots allowed". I still don't enjoy the setup shots. I prefer the found shots instead of the created, and I do it whenever I possibly can. However, the majority of my shots are still setup, simply because of the type of challenges. Seriously -- it's really hard to find a SPAM shot. You have to create it. |
I think that is a good idea for a challenge. Why not suggest it in the suggestions thread? |
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02/15/2012 02:15:58 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Osiris1975:
I think that is a good idea for a challenge. Why not suggest it in the suggestions thread? |
It's been done, but it's been some time since then. Spam challenge
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02/15/2012 02:20:35 PM · #43 |
i love found photography and i love setups, setups are fun to do and push the imagination to create something, found shots require the eye to see them.
that spam one spiffy posted the winner looked a fun shot to create and shoot
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