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12/19/2011 12:33:41 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Originally posted by scalvert:
That avoidance may explain why you recite myths. |
What myths? |
It's a closed system. Apple generally uses more open standards than Microsoft, and it's no problem at all to use a Dell monitor, a Microsoft mouse, gSkill RAM and Kodak printer if you choose. Heck, for much of its history the Mac version of Microsoft Office has been more advanced than the PC version.
Mac OS X has 5% market share. It's actually around 11% in the US and growing rapidly. If you include tablet computers, it's more like 20%.
Macs don't get viruses only because hackers don't target them. Partially true at best, but also largely irrelevant. There are fewer vulnerabilities to exploit in OS X to begin with, and Apple is very proactive with security updates. Regardless of the reasons, however, the bottom line is that a careful PC user with the best anti-virus software is still far more likely to suffer a malware infection than a Mac user with nothing.
You can't run [whatever] software on a Mac. Most significant applications are available in Mac versions. For those that aren't, Apple's BootCamp will often run Windows faster than an equivalent PC, and the latest virtualization environments will run native Windows apps concurrently with only a modest performance hit (some even work without installing Windows).
Etc. |
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12/19/2011 12:49:04 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
It's a closed system. Apple generally uses more open standards than Microsoft, and it's no problem at all to use a Dell monitor, a Microsoft mouse, gSkill RAM and Kodak printer if you choose. |
Microsoft and Apple are both closed - Apple might be 'less closed' than MS, but that's as far as it goes. For example, Flash not being playable on Apple devices. Sold to us as 'Flash is unstable, so we're not giving it to you' - But in reality, a closed system.
The big players make gestures to the FOSS community, like making parts of code open source, or releasing end-of-life projects to OSS. But they are well orchestrated. They know where the money's at, and nothing going to threaten that.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Heck, for much of its history the Mac version of Microsoft Office has been more advanced than the PC version. |
Sadly, Excel - the most important component of MS Office Mac - lags well behind. No VBA support, difference in handling of pivot tables etc. I can quote at least one large company where this has been a major show-stopper for migrating to OSX over Windows.
Message edited by author 2011-12-19 12:49:17. |
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12/20/2011 07:14:42 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Originally posted by scalvert:
That avoidance may explain why you recite myths. |
What myths? |
It's a closed system. Apple generally uses more open standards than Microsoft, and it's no problem at all to use a Dell monitor, a Microsoft mouse, gSkill RAM and Kodak printer if you choose. Heck, for much of its history the Mac version of Microsoft Office has been more advanced than the PC version. |
It is and I consider this a benefit for many users. As for your microsoft office comment see JH's response above.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Mac OS X has 5% market share. It's actually around 11% in the US and growing rapidly. |
Not everyone lives in the US (including me). I checked the statistic before posting (I was actually surprised it wasn't higher).
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you include tablet computers, it's more like 20%. |
Since I can't work on an ipad, being the unarguably closed system that it is, I don't include it, no. The statistic would remain the same though - its use is in the minority and I never expressed that as a bad thing.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Macs don't get viruses only because hackers don't target them. Partially true at best, but also largely irrelevant. |
Partially true, so it being a single point I made, it was correct, no?
Originally posted by scalvert:
There are fewer vulnerabilities to exploit in OS X to begin with |
[citation needed]. You can't possibly know this but the constant jailbreaks for ios should at least suggest to you that apples software is far from water tight.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Regardless of the reasons, however, the bottom line is that a careful PC user with the best anti-virus software is still far more likely to suffer a malware infection than a Mac user with nothing. |
I'd replace "a careful PC user with the best anti-virus software" with "an average pc user", but I agree and I said exactly this is my previous post.
Originally posted by scalvert:
You can't run [whatever] software on a Mac. Most significant applications are available in Mac versions. For those that aren't, Apple's BootCamp will often run Windows faster than an equivalent PC, and the latest virtualization environments will run native Windows apps concurrently with only a modest performance hit (some even work without installing Windows). |
I'll tell you what, link me to a mac-working version of alteras quartus II and without bothering to list the other non-mac software I require I'll concede my point. If I installed os x, only to then install windows 7 in a virtual machine inside of it and then I used that 90% of the time... why wouldn't it just be better for me to run windows 7 natively? As I said before, mac's do not run the software I need. If you want me to quote myself again, I proceeded to say right after; "[this] won't matter too much to most people".
If I can make an observation, you do seem quite zealous in promoting apple as the one-size-fits-all solution, something no company truly offers at this time. |
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12/20/2011 07:33:23 AM · #79 |
| The only good thing apple does is keep Microsoft on their toes. |
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12/20/2011 07:41:30 AM · #80 |
| I have and use both, both are good, both are only products, both will not last. |
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12/20/2011 08:02:31 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I have and use both, both are good, both are only products, both will not last. |
logic doesn't belong in a Mac vs. Pc thread. |
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12/20/2011 08:12:40 AM · #82 |
| Shall mention be made of the ugly red-headed step-daughter, Linux?.............. |
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12/20/2011 08:27:59 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Shall mention be made of the ugly red-headed step-daughter, Linux?.............. |
You'll be incurring the wrath of both red heads and linux users if you do =). |
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12/20/2011 08:28:54 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Shall mention be made of the ugly red-headed step-daughter, Linux?.............. |
lol - I already got in there with my 'Ubuntu' comment a few posts up. I love lubuntu, which I run on a netbook, and I use a branch of Ubuntu at work every day, and it works very well.
But linux's main issue is that's still in the domain of geeks. Admittedly it has improved a lot in the past few years, making installation easier and detecting most hardware combinations, and also improving on the 'app store' repository concept.
When things go wrong, and you need to do anything at the command line, it's a different story. And while the apps available for it are good, they still don't match their commercial equivalents.
Just the fact you need to download and burn an ISO to try out a distro is enough to put off most 'normal' users.
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12/20/2011 09:43:20 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
What specs, secrets, variable features, or whatever, should I be aware of... if any ? |
Mainly: if you get a 3G model, make sure you choose one for the network that makes sense for you. AT&T is faster while Verizon is more reliable and offers access in more places. There is no contract, so you can turn the 3G features on and off for the months you need it. I don't know what carriers you have in the tundra lands. |
Thx. I went and got one for the wife for xmas last night. She's been drooling over them, and it will be a write-off as she can do her work on it. Seems expensive though. I just bought a gaming PC for the kids for less. :-/
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12/20/2011 09:49:41 AM · #86 |
I know you allready bought it, and I am sure your wife will LOVE IT.
But for the rest out there contemplating iPad 2... If you are really wanting the iPad 2 it is great, very nice design and an extremely capable product. If you have a Mac and iPhone to go with it it just makes sense with iTunes and all. If you are not land-locked with everything you may want to check out the Motorla Xoom. I have mine, the 4G speed tests at up to 46 meg a second download (yes... 46) because Verizon LTE 4G is wicked fast. And the Dual Core Nvidia Tegra powered Xoom Tablet is also wicked fast. My friends with iPad 2's always show me their apps like "check out the graphics on this new game on the ipad" then I download it on my Xoom from the Android Market and show them the NVIDIA Tegra dual core graphics processing difference :) It has 32 gigs internal, with the ability to use 32 - 64 gb SD-Mini cards as well. Oh and the Battery life is LONG. I use it when I am flying all doy on connection flights, in the terminals witching movies playing games, and on the internet. The iPad 2 is a very awesome device, but for now I think the Xoom is still a very worthy rival for those willing to step outside the Apple store. Food for thought :)
Message edited by author 2011-12-20 09:50:45. |
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12/20/2011 09:59:05 AM · #87 |
For android tablets it's also worth looking at the Samsung Galaxy 7.1 or 10.1 (if they're allowed to sell them in your country) - Or the Asus Transformer is a very nice concept, comes with a detachable keyboard.
All this, of course, assumes you want to go Android instead of Apple. |
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12/22/2011 03:12:43 PM · #88 |
If anyone is still thinking about building a "Hackintosh"
Click Me |
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12/22/2011 03:19:56 PM · #89 |
I love my Hackintosh. Benchmarked against the entry level mac pros, I was able to beat them both in price and performance. I saved about a grand by building it myself. I also Dual boot with Win7 so it's easy to game or run software not available on OSX. I've had it for about a year now, and there's very few things I regret about it. (mostly hardware support, things that you'd run into even with a real mac)
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12/22/2011 03:31:56 PM · #90 |
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12/22/2011 03:36:29 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
I love my Hackintosh. Benchmarked against the entry level mac pros, I was able to beat them both in price and performance. I saved about a grand by building it myself. I also Dual boot with Win7 so it's easy to game or run software not available on OSX. I've had it for about a year now, and there's very few things I regret about it. (mostly hardware support, things that you'd run into even with a real mac) |
Which approach to building it did you use? |
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12/22/2011 04:02:36 PM · #92 |
I did mostly trial and error. I rushed into it a bit, made a couple mistakes, and ended up having to shift my budget around and getting some lower quality stuff than I would have initially liked. I initially tried to install kexts and patch my DSDT unnsuccessfully. I was trying too much stuff, and didn't have the experience or self control. After nearly giving up, I reinstalled, and then used multibeast and a pre-patched DSDT and I've been golden ever since. Every so often an update will break my sound, but I just have to re-run my multibeast and it comes back to life.
Specs,
Intel i7 3.1 -pre sandy bridge :(
8gb Corsair 4x2 1333 Ram
vid is 9800gt 1gb <-- current bottle neck, and waiting to be replaced. easy on the budget though, can find em for about $70- and good if you're not gaming or running aftereffects.
Mobo is GIGABYTE GA-X58-USB3
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12/22/2011 04:23:20 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
ended up having to shift my budget around and getting some lower quality stuff than I would have initially liked. I initially tried to install kexts and patch my DSDT unsuccessfully... After nearly giving up, I reinstalled, and then used multibeast and a pre-patched DSDT and I've been golden ever since. Every so often an update will break my sound, but I just have to re-run my multibeast and it comes back to life. |
Most people who ask about switching to Mac do so to avoid the above. |
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12/22/2011 04:38:46 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
ended up having to shift my budget around and getting some lower quality stuff than I would have initially liked. I initially tried to install kexts and patch my DSDT unsuccessfully... After nearly giving up, I reinstalled, and then used multibeast and a pre-patched DSDT and I've been golden ever since. Every so often an update will break my sound, but I just have to re-run my multibeast and it comes back to life. |
Most people who ask about switching to Mac do so to avoid the above. |
I'll agree. But there's also those of us who want to switch because we want/need the OS, but don't mind a day or two of effort to get better components for drastically cheaper prices. For me it was about the challenge and about being to upgrade a bit easier. Plus, the ugly macpro aluminum doesn't match my living room curtains :D
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12/22/2011 04:59:20 PM · #95 |
Typing this on my new imac i7 which I picked up last night.
WOW this screen is amazing!!!
It's gonna take a bit to get the hang of how this thing works compared to windows but I'm up for the challenge.
Specking up the same machine I saved $1,000 and it still has 2 years of apple care.
It's a tad slower than the new (2.9ghz compared to the new 3.4ghz)
No Thunderbolt and a new model graphics card but still with 1 gig on board it.
I don't think I will notice any of the newer items but the thunderbolt would have been nice.
Will be upgrading to Lion.
Does anyone use iWorks. Looks like all I will need as I always send my documents by PDF anyway.
Might just download Open Office or LibraOffice or maybe even NeoOffice.
Would appreciate it if someone could point me to the Mac trial version of CS5 but not the extended one
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12/22/2011 05:45:23 PM · #96 |
I always find these comparisons silly in this day and age. Both newer windows based Pc's and Apple iOS based PC's are powerful and without many operational issues. The software we photographers use works equally well on both. When it comes down to it it is normally an operator issue. I know many people who had multiple issues with Win based systems so made the switch to Apple and ended up having issues that drove them to customer support as well. I sometimes think that some people have bad electrons flowing from their fingers that results in having issues with all electronics.
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12/22/2011 05:48:04 PM · #97 |
I wouldn't upgrade to lion unless you have a gestural trackpad. I have it on my macbook pro, and I find it performs a bit slower than Snow Leopard. Try it out at the apple store, see if you notice any improvements that make it so you HAVE to upgrade.
//www.adobe.com/downloads/
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12/23/2011 03:45:32 AM · #98 |
Oh my, this is going to take some getting used to.
Soooo different from the windows platform I am used to.
Anyone got any tips on learning this system.
A link that shows you around the system would be appreciated.
Don't know where anything is.
Have uploaded PS5 and Elements 10 trials to see how they go on the mac
Have uploaded Topaz also but I can't seem to get them to show in filters.
Had this happen in windows also but at least I know my way around that system and could do what Topaz said to get it to work.
Can't seem to understand the Mac system.
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12/23/2011 04:17:37 AM · #99 |
Think its just a matter of playing around with it for a bit.
There is infomation on the Apple site to help.
As far as I was concerned it only took a couple of days ,there really isn,t that much difference in my opinion.
Have Fun and Happy Christmas,
Neil |
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12/23/2011 04:58:24 AM · #100 |
Thanks Tiny
I'll get the hang of it I'm sure
In regard to Topaz not showing, I noticed it's in the filters folder for PS5 but not for elements.
Still trying to decide which way to go with each of these systems.
Now that i have lightroom I'm thinking I may not need PS5 and that elements 10 will be enough
Not sure which way to go with this.
Hmmmmm - big difference in price |
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