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12/18/2011 05:21:49 PM · #26 |
I was referring to the glossy screen being a problem for photo editing.
I understood matt was better but just wanted to know what those who have one and photo edit on it think about it.
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12/18/2011 05:39:56 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
FOR THOSE THAT USE AN IMAC ALREADY
Do you find the 27" glossy screen a problem? |
None whatsoever. A 27" iMac is my main computer, and there are no strong light sources behind me to cause a problem. Looking at it right now, I can't even tell that it's glossy.
Message edited by author 2011-12-18 17:41:05. |
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12/18/2011 05:41:06 PM · #28 |
| The glossy screen should be better for photo editing, no? |
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12/18/2011 06:07:00 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
As long as this thread is up, I have a question -
I'm looking to make the switch to apple but might not have the $$$ for high end. So how about iMac?
And no, I'm not planning on building anything myself. |
I do almost all of my editing on a base model MacBook...it's getting a bit long in the tooth, but handles everything I throw at it. |
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12/18/2011 07:28:35 PM · #30 |
I've always built my own computers. Friends over the years have been switching to Mac for 'user friendly' reasons. I've put together too many computers to count and upgraded quite often. I usually sell my old stuff and use that to buy new stuff. I saw some of the Apple stuff and thought it looked nice but when I compared specs, I knew I could build a better PC for far less money. Friends that have made the switch say it was because they 'don't play games anymore' or 'it's easy to go all Apple with iphone etc'. Viruses are not an issue on my PC, or anyone's if you know how to protect yourself. I've never had a virus cause me any problems. I've only ever had hardware issues once when a power supply failed on me. Easily replaced.
My wife doesn't do ANYTHING that takes full advantage of the power on her iMac with that nice 27" display. The reason I got her the iMac was because she was convinced that it was easier to use than the PC I built her. I gave in when I saw movies being played on the 27". At the time we had an old old TV and we used the iMac to watch videos. However, she still needs help figuring stuff out on her Mac and I know nothing about Mac. The Mac store can be helpful but on occasions I question their 'genius' status. There are times I spend hours trying to figure stuff out for her (Like when we had to replace her keyboard and for some reason it wouldn't show up as the international version). I'm sure Mac users could easily figure this out. She has an ipad 2, itouch and sometime in the future I see an iphone in her hands. It all integrates well for her. She also likes the way it looks whereas for me the looks aren't that important. She is constantly complaining that my tower/monitor/keyboard and mouse don't match color.
I don't know why people would prefer editing on a Mac. If Mac offered a high spec (The kind I can build), the ability to easily replace parts on my own or upgrade at a price that I pay now for my DIY + a little extra for the nice packaging, then I'd happily switch to Mac. If you have been a Mac user for a long time, then I understand not wanting to switch (To a certain degree). If you have been using a PC for a long time, I suggest sticking with PC. With Win 7 Ultimate and the right motherboard you can have 128+ GB of RAM if you want, so long as the motherboard supports it. With all the money you save buying parts and putting things together yourself, you can buy a nice monitor meant for color correcting.
As far as laptops are concerned, I've never owned one so I can't say much. I do know that if I did own one that it wouldn't be for working on anything important or that needed much power. I like the thin Apple laptop. For what I'd use a laptop for, it might just be worth paying a little extra for that easy, sleek, light laptop.
I'd be interested in hearing why some of our fellow DPC'ers use Macs to edit? If there was a specific reason for using a Mac over a PC? PC building has become so easy. Just pop in your new devices basically. I know most stores here in Japan let you pick your parts and for a little extra cash they put the PC together for you. Everything working with 1 year support through the store.
To the OP, I'd stick with PC if that's what you've been using. If you make the jump to Mac I'd be interested in hearing how well you handle the switch and if it was worth it or not. |
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12/18/2011 07:52:47 PM · #31 |
 heavyj, you sound just like my brother, who can also build his own computers. Great.
However...
I've been messing with and have owned Apple computers since I was 15, so 30 years down the road, why on earth would I ever want to switch? Mac is, and always has been, very intuitive and simple to use. I find PCs/Windows etc to be clunky, overly technical and about a thousand times more prone to failure - hardware and software - than any Apple I've ever worked on.
And let's talk longevity. Could you pull a 19-year-old PC out of storage and fire it up and pick up exactly where you left off? Probably not. But my 19-year-old Mac Classic still fires up and does what I ask of it. Same with my orange G3 clamshell and the big blue G4 monster - absolutely no issues at all with any of them over the years. Needless to say my Macmini has never caused me a moment's panic.
However my cheap-ass little PC running Vista has failed on me several times in all the 4 years I've owned it. Don't even ask me how many times I've wanted to heave a PC out of an office window. I use it only for the Internet because I neither fully trust the Internet, nor the PC. That's why all my images are on the Mac, worked on on there (and wtf is all this garbage about a 'glossy screen'?!) and kept on there til downloaded to the LaCie. The very worst thing a Mac has done to me is freeze up, and I lost absolutely nothing.
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12/18/2011 08:17:09 PM · #32 |
I purchased a mac mini 2 months ago - working on building some iPad and iPhone apps. Prior to this, I have been a windows guy, since windows 2.0 back in the mid-80's. I am currently using both, side by side, on a regular basis. Actually use a KVM switch to share keyboard and mouse. I downloaded photoshop for the mac and have been comparing it to my windows version. In that the trial is just ending, I now need to make a decision on whether to port the license over or stay with the windows platform. Since Lightroom is cross-platform, I am running it on both and taking advantage of the dual installation option.
My observations to date:
The software available for the mac is much more limited in scope than for windows. That being said, the software for the mac seems to be more stable. Fewer choices, but more reliable.
Performance for the mac mini is fantastic. I have 8 gig memory, and with that configuration, it is much more responsive that my windows unit. In all fairness, the windows setup is becoming dated, but I didn't expect as much of a difference.
The whole mac user interface takes some getting used to, but it hasn't been as hard a conversion as I had expected. It is well thought-out, but it is different.
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12/18/2011 08:30:22 PM · #33 |
| You can sometimes build a computer with the same specs as an Apple for less money, but the resulting machine will not offer the same experience. My brother is a computer whiz who has steadfastly refused to buy anything Apple for decades, choosing instead to get lookalike MP3 players, smartphones and computers, often with even better specs... and inevitably complains about how they work (or don't work). There's a reason you never hear people wondering if it's time to switch to a PC. |
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12/18/2011 09:14:33 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You can sometimes build a computer with the same specs as an Apple for less money, but the resulting machine will not offer the same experience. My brother is a computer whiz who has steadfastly refused to buy anything Apple for decades, choosing instead to get lookalike MP3 players, smartphones and computers, often with even better specs... and inevitably complains about how they work (or don't work). There's a reason you never hear people wondering if it's time to switch to a PC. |
That's a comparison between Apple and other companies that run Windows on their machines, not actual Windows customer service (With the internet, I've never really need customer service). That's kind of like comparing iphone OS to Android, some phones are better than others that run Android and only 1 phone runs the Apple OS, so comparing them makes it hard.
As for longevity, I don't have anything more than a year or so old (I keep spare parts to test for hardware issues if some should arise). If you plan on holding onto your old Macs or PCs, great. I don't know why you would though. I'm sure a PC in storage could still boot whatever OS it was running. Why you would do this other than for pure nostalgic entertainment, I don't know. With hardware being so cheap these days, upgrading is not that big a financial problem for most, I would assume.
As far as operating systems, Windows tends to throw junk at you in heaps. I never jump onto the latest version of Windows until it's stable and working well. I never used Vista, I stayed with XP until Win 7 64bit had 64 bit applications working and the user feedback was good. It's the 'newer is better' mentality that Microsoft takes advantage of. But that's certainly not always the case. Even Apple messes up, like with their Final Cut X (I also love video editing and can render video much faster than my wife's iMac). Apple lost many Final Cut users to Adobe for that mistake.
I like how Apple makes Apple products that seamlessly work together. However, I don't see how Apple is 'less technical' than Windows. I also would imagine that having the ability to tweak things to your hearts content is kind of like shooting photography in all manual. If you want everything to be decided for you, shoot in Auto which is 'less technical'. But I don't think Macs are any less technical.
In any case, whether you're editing on a Mac or PC, with computers today I doubt you'll see much of a difference. If you are into gaming, I can't recommended a PC based machine enough. Apple does a good job at marketing, Windows fails here.
I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison of two machines, PC and Mac, used by a PC guru and a Mac genius and see who runs into the most/least amount of problems. Then do the same with your average user. |
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12/18/2011 09:21:24 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
... upgrading is not that big a financial problem for most, I would assume. |
When you assume you make an ASS|U|ME ... (medical school "humor" ...)
In case you hadn't heard, something like 40% of the current US population is considered "low-income" and about ten million children are living in poverty, if not an actual abode.
Message edited by author 2011-12-18 21:23:22. |
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12/18/2011 09:54:25 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by heavyj:
... upgrading is not that big a financial problem for most, I would assume. |
When you assume you make an ASS|U|ME ... (medical school "humor" ...)
In case you hadn't heard, something like 40% of the current US population is considered "low-income" and about ten million children are living in poverty, if not an actual abode. |
hmmm i think it was 25% of America's children are homeless. that's the most since the depression |
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12/18/2011 10:41:06 PM · #37 |
| Mac and Windows boxes are both PC's all you are buying are different operating systems and marketing. |
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12/18/2011 10:50:45 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by drz01:
Mac and Windows boxes are both PC's all you are buying are different operating systems and marketing. |
Oh shush with the correct terminology ;) |
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12/18/2011 10:55:31 PM · #39 |
...blah...blah...blah...best marketing blah...blah...blah.... I switched to Mac about two years ago and have not had ONE SINGLE ISSUE since then.
When someone asks me if they should get a Mac, I ask them what do they plan to do with the computer. Surf the net and reply to emails....I tell them to save a bundle and get a PC. If they plan on using Photoshop, editing video, and recording music (all of which I do), then I tell them ... if you can spare the bucks....get a Mac.
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12/18/2011 11:06:23 PM · #40 |
| Many good points. Thanks, everyone. And I'm glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with the possibility. |
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12/19/2011 12:18:34 AM · #41 |
FWIW, I shoot full manual with a camera (even the Canons I've been known to pick up on occasion) and thus I see no need to have to know how computer works...I know when it's working, and when it's not. That's all I need to know. And yeah I am a bit of a packrat, though the Gs can pretty much go anytime now; there are people who collect them.
But I haul out the ol' Classic every so often to dig up an old file or some notes from yonks ago, because I have better things to do than transcribe its contents onto the LaCie.
But the point has been made. Most people on this thread seem to side with Mac.
And if my old Classic ever dies, at least I can make a Macquarium out of it. When the Vista box bluescreens for the last time, well, I won't miss it. |
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12/19/2011 12:26:15 AM · #42 |
| Just faced that delima, Went back to PC.... I kept thinking of all the software I'D HAVE TO REBUY for a Mac... I know Nuthin' like Snaffles said I want to turn it on and everything works. Went from XP (since it came out) to Win 7 That's as hard as I ever want to have to learn~~~~ |
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12/19/2011 12:30:40 AM · #43 |
I use an iMac 27" and have no problem with the screen, I do have it in quite a dark area of my home though, they do need calibrated.
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12/19/2011 12:37:35 AM · #44 |
| The advantage is the one with the longest and most affordable "full coverage" warranty. Going on my third laptop in three years; this is getting ridiculous. Dell offers some pretty good extended warranties on their hardware, I'm considering going with that but so does apple. Actually they just sent me a reminder about that for my phone but I doubt I'll be getting that, even if I probably should. |
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12/19/2011 12:53:24 AM · #45 |
I'm finding it really hard to make a decision on this one. Have put the delivery of my Dell monitor on hold for now (so I can get a refund if I decide to go iMac).
Currently have the opportunity to purchase an Imac which has more than 2 years Apple Care to go (was purchased in March this year). Specs are
i7 870 2.93 Ghz (3.6 Ghz max turbo boost)
ATI 5750 1 GB
4 GB ram (would boost this up to 16 GB)
1 TB 7200 HDD
27" monitor
Wireless Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad
It doesn't have the new Turbo Boost connection (would it be best to get one that does have it?)
Can get it for about $1,000 less than purchasing current one with similar specs?
Would this be a good deal??
(Hopefully it is still available when I make up my mind!!!) |
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12/19/2011 01:14:01 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
I'm finding it really hard to make a decision on this one. Have put the delivery of my Dell monitor on hold for now (so I can get a refund if I decide to go iMac).
Currently have the opportunity to purchase an Imac which has more than 2 years Apple Care to go (was purchased in March this year). Specs are
i7 870 2.93 Ghz (3.6 Ghz max turbo boost)
ATI 5750 1 GB
4 GB ram (would boost this up to 16 GB)
1 TB 7200 HDD
27" monitor
Wireless Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad
It doesn't have the new Turbo Boost connection (would it be best to get one that does have it?)
Can get it for about $1,000 less than purchasing current one with similar specs?
Would this be a good deal??
(Hopefully it is still available when I make up my mind!!!) |
That's a fantastic system— faster than all but the current build-to-order high end iMac. The only think you really lose is the new Thunderbolt ports if that matters to you. Don't worry about turbo-boost, the i7 more than makes up for it. No need to go 16GB on the RAM either— just add 8GB to the available slots. The difference between 12GB and 16Gb in Photoshop is slight when benchmarked, and you can always add more down the road. |
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12/19/2011 01:14:48 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
Just faced that delima, Went back to PC.... I kept thinking of all the software I'D HAVE TO REBUY for a Mac... |
Your mistake. Most companies will swap out your PC software for Mac versions if you ask. |
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12/19/2011 01:16:44 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by MarioPierre:
The advantage is the one with the longest and most affordable "full coverage" warranty. |
The advantage goes to the system that doesn't break to require a warranty in the first place. |
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12/19/2011 01:20:32 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
That's a comparison between Apple and other companies that run Windows on their machines, not actual Windows customer service |
The comparison was an index of satisfaction between using Windows computers and Apple computers, NOT the companies. |
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12/19/2011 01:26:52 AM · #50 |
Scalvert, how many slots are there in these.
Obviously it would be 2 x 2 in there at the moment
What do I need to order for it?
Do I remove the current?
Thanks |
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