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07/19/2002 11:07:21 AM · #26
My votes this week ranged between 3 and 10. I only gave below 5 to 8 photos.

I gave 8 tens, 12 nines, and 26 eights :)
07/19/2002 11:12:07 AM · #27
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
My votes this week ranged between 3 and 10. I only gave below 5 to 8 photos.

I gave 8 tens, 12 nines, and 26 eights :)



See John..you are an example of a talented photogrpher that has not been too jaded by your own sense of what you like. Your scores are positive, looking for the effort in peoples work.

I dont give out as many 8's, 9's and 10's as I should but I give out a lot of 5's, 6's and 7's.

I am changing my thinking to reflect an even more open minded way of looking at the photos to include more in the upper range for sure.
07/19/2002 11:21:07 AM · #28
What seems to be making sense to me in the voting has become a little distorted maybe....

1 = very bad
10 = very good

That seems simple enough... i think that there are lots of twisted and distorted methods that people here use to arrive at their score selections.

I am also trying to vote these photos within the context of the challenge also. when I make my initial run-through vote, I look at my least favorite photos and compare them to my most favorite and rate everything else inbetween somewhere.

In my mind, a 10 (very good) does not usually mean it's a perfect photo. You can interpret VERY GOOD to mean whatever you want it to mean :) I gave a few tens this week to photos that don't meet my requirements for technical excellence, but they still made me say WOW :)
07/19/2002 11:26:16 AM · #29
Well, I have not been voting for long but generally I go through with my first impressions and vote pretty quickly. I then usually move a few of the pictures from the first impression scores up the ladder.

A 10 is usually my pick for the winner, and I will give it to the picture that I think should win. If I can't decide between a multiple number than I give it to two or three. I will likely give a 10 most weeks unless I feel I can't.

Not very scientific, but I figure it will all balance out in the end.
07/19/2002 11:34:01 AM · #30
Originally posted by Agamemnon:
Well, I have not been voting for long but generally I go through with my first impressions and vote pretty quickly. I then usually move a few of the pictures from the first impression scores up the ladder.

A 10 is usually my pick for the winner, and I will give it to the picture that I think should win. If I can't decide between a multiple number than I give it to two or three. I will likely give a 10 most weeks unless I feel I can't.

Not very scientific, but I figure it will all balance out in the end.


That pretty much my way of doing it.

My vast majority of photos fall in the 5 range (my average vote is about 4.86 or whatever). The weight of 4's tends to draw the weight of the 8-9-10's down.

I am changing my thinking in one way...I am trying to vote more 6's...an above average. Because in the past I used to put too much emphasis on the tech side and that would allow my vote to drag lower than what I actually felt was the quality for the week in general.

Week to week out of roughly 150 photo's I see about a 5 to 6 AVERAGE and I want that to be reflected in my voting.

07/19/2002 11:35:44 AM · #31
Originally posted by Agamemnon:
Well, I have not been voting for long but generally I go through with my first impressions and vote pretty quickly. I then usually move a few of the pictures from the first impression scores up the ladder.

A 10 is usually my pick for the winner, and I will give it to the picture that I think should win. If I can't decide between a multiple number than I give it to two or three. I will likely give a 10 most weeks unless I feel I can't.

Not very scientific, but I figure it will all balance out in the end.


My objective is NOT to pick the winner... I vote each photo as an individual and i do NOT rate it based on any of the other photos in the challenge..

07/19/2002 11:42:51 AM · #32
I might consider that in the future, but I don't feel technically knowledable enough to go that way.

I usually think adjusting my scores is easiest after I vote initially and they are divided into groups by score.. then I can look at things side by side.
07/19/2002 11:43:11 AM · #33
I commend you John for trying to rate each photo as an individual.

I try that as much as I can but I must admit..If I look at 175 photos I cannot help but see them as a group.

Heck..if I am looking intently at 175 photos to score I have little time for any OTHER photos (like phtosig, or my photo magazines) so I am influenced by the overall photo rperesntation here.

In a way John (and this is more of a question..general curiosity) don't we ALL rate photos in comparison to other photos. Photos and technique you may have seen or experienced yourself during your life are used as a source of comparison back in your brain.

And if that is the case, isn't comparing here just as valid ..in a way?
07/19/2002 11:43:26 AM · #34
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by Agamemnon:
[i]Well, I have not been voting for long but generally I go through with my first impressions and vote pretty quickly. I then usually move a few of the pictures from the first impression scores up the ladder.

A 10 is usually my pick for the winner, and I will give it to the picture that I think should win. If I can''t decide between a multiple number than I give it to two or three. I will likely give a 10 most weeks unless I feel I can''t.

Not very scientific, but I figure it will all balance out in the end.


My objective is NOT to pick the winner... I vote each photo as an individual and i do NOT rate it based on any of the other photos in the challenge..

[/i]


I agree with John, as this is how I have always approached the voting as well. In the rules it states that the photos should be given a vote on their own merit and the votes for each photo are then averaged and placed automatically. This is not the first time I have read this type of thing in the forums. You are supposed to be judging each photo as if the others are not there. I just don''t get how people think this is up to them. Just rate it. If its a 10, give it a 10. If its a 1 give it a 1. So what if you think all the photos deserve a 10 or whatever? That''s your opinion. The average will decide if all the voters agreed with you.

From the rules: "At the end of the week, the photograph holding the greatest average of votes will be declared the winner of that challenge."

Do people read the rules thoroughly or just disregard them?


* This message has been edited by the author on 7/19/2002 11:46:29 AM.
07/19/2002 11:47:59 AM · #35
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:

I agree with John, as this is how I have always approached the voting as well. In the rules it states that the photos should be given a vote on their own merit and the votes for each photo are then averaged and placed automatically. This is not the first time I have read this type of thing in the forums. You are supposed to be judging each photo as if the others are not there. I just don't get how people think this is up to them. Just rate it. If its a 10, give it a 10. If its a 1 give it a 1. So what if you think all the photos deserve a 10 or whatever. That's your opinion. The average will decide if all the voters agreed with you.



I see what you are saying Karen..I just don't know if I can agree.

I believe w are influenced and carry images in our mind and compare all the time. I just don't know if I can say that is any more or less valid than doing a comparison here.

It may sound unfair but I just don't think I can believe people have a totally unbiased opinion.

07/19/2002 11:49:52 AM · #36
Originally posted by hokie:

And if that is the case, isn't comparing here just as valid ..in a way?


Not really... But then again, critiquing a photo *is*, as you say, comparing against your knowledge and experiences with photography for sure. I'm speaking more specifically about the photos within a specific challenge... not photos in general over my brief history with this hobby.

07/19/2002 11:51:59 AM · #37
In an ideal world, each photo would be rated without consideration of the others around it.

In reality though, after I've finished voting I go through and look at the groups. If I see a photograph that I like better than the rest in the group of photographs that I've rated 6, I move it up to a 7. I don't necessarily try to pick a winner, but why does it matter if they're compared or not? Even if you didn't see any other photographs, you'd still score something you like higher than something you don't. Comparing at the end just helps me to even things out and account for things like mood and environment that could have unfairly influenced my vote when I voted the first time.
07/19/2002 11:52:14 AM · #38
Originally posted by hokie:
It may sound unfair but I just don''t think I can believe people have a totally unbiased opinion.




No one is asking for an unbiased opinion. An opinion has to be biased or it wouldn''t be an opinion :)

What is being asked is that the photo be scored as if it were not in a competition. Simple... 1-10.. very bad, very good :) I don''t find this too difficult...


* This message has been edited by the author on 7/19/2002 11:52:15 AM.
07/19/2002 11:56:43 AM · #39
Well, maybe I'm a "follow the rules" type of person. I have been told this before, so not a big surprise. Still, rules are there for a reason. In this case, I think you could really only compare each photo to each other if the challenge was, for example, "photograph a telephone - but it has to be a silver cordless phone, on the wall, which has to be red, using a halogen light at 45 degrees and from below, etc." I mean, maybe that's an extreme or rediculous example, but I'm just trying to prove a point.
Photos a, b, and c are of different subjects. a and b are equally technically sound and equally interesting. c is technically sound but lacks interest. Does that mean I have to select a or b as the best? No. I say. Gee a is great. So is b. c I'll give a lesser grading. Let's see how many others thought a and b were on the same level.
07/19/2002 11:56:56 AM · #40
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by hokie:
[i]
And if that is the case, isn't comparing here just as valid ..in a way?


Not really... But then again, critiquing a photo *is*, as you say, comparing against your knowledge and experiences with photography for sure. I'm speaking more specifically about the photos within a specific challenge... not photos in general over my brief history with this hobby.[/i]

You see, I think this is where we differ.

You will agree that your opnion is biased by your past experiences. Which is logical because we all know that to be true..whether we can admit that is another thing entirely.

I say that if that is true, then a comparison here is just as valid. Maybe even fairer in a way because I am not holding the photos up to my ideal as much as I did when I first started voting 3 months ago.

My bottom line, I won't fool myself into thinking I am totally unbiased. I know this to be false. So I sorta limit my bias to what I see here..after all..this is a contest first and foremost and we are competing against what is here in the immediate challenge.

07/19/2002 12:01:44 PM · #41
Originally posted by Kimbly:
In an ideal world, each photo would be rated without consideration of the others around it.

In reality though, after I've finished voting I go through and look at the groups. If I see a photograph that I like better than the rest in the group of photographs that I've rated 6, I move it up to a 7. I don't necessarily try to pick a winner, but why does it matter if they're compared or not? Even if you didn't see any other photographs, you'd still score something you like higher than something you don't. Comparing at the end just helps me to even things out and account for things like mood and environment that could have unfairly influenced my vote when I voted the first time.



Yes, Kim. I agree to some of this. I do look at the photos after voting and say to myself: Does this photo belong in this category? Is it in my opinion on the same level as these 7's? Is there something about it that makes it a better photo than any of these? Sure. But do I choose a winner? No.
07/19/2002 12:03:00 PM · #42
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:

Photos a, b, and c are of different subjects. a and b are equally technically sound and equally interesting. c is technically sound but lacks interest. Does that mean I have to select a or b as the best? No. I say. Gee a is great. So is b. c I''ll give a lesser grading. Let''s see how many others thought a and b were on the same level.



Well, I don''t think anyone is suggesting that you rate your top 9 photographs in descending order and give everything else a 1. I just don''t think there''s much difference between what you''re saying and what others are saying. If you like two the same, give them the same vote. If you like one better, give it a higher vote.


* This message has been edited by the author on 7/19/2002 12:14:32 PM.
07/19/2002 12:09:03 PM · #43
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:

Yes, Kim. I agree to some of this. I do look at the photos after voting and say to myself: Does this photo belong in this category? Is it in my opinion on the same level as these 7''s? Is there something about it that makes it a better photo than any of these? Sure. But do I choose a winner? No.


What''s the difference between picking a winner, and seeing one photograph that really grabs you and you love and giving it a 10? I think it''s really the same thing. I suppose in the second scenario you could give multiple tens, but that''s a pretty minor difference between 10 tens and 1 ten and 9 nines.


* This message has been edited by the author on 7/19/2002 12:13:33 PM.
07/19/2002 12:10:58 PM · #44
I think I will allow Kim to speak for me..she is getting close to saying what I do in my voting without all the phycho stuff :-P Heheheh..(eyes crossed and babbling incessantly)
07/19/2002 12:25:14 PM · #45
Well. To some degree I see we are talking about the same thing. I mostly picked up on the threads that inferred or actually said "Okay, now I'm done voting. Out of those, let me rank them winner thru loser".
07/19/2002 12:30:27 PM · #46
BTW: I DO love this site! ;0)
07/19/2002 12:38:24 PM · #47
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Well. To some degree I see we are talking about the same thing. I mostly picked up on the threads that inferred or actually said "Okay, now I''m done voting. Out of those, let me rank them winner thru loser".


I thought of a better way to say it: I''m not discounting a possible 10 on a photo because I think I have to pick just one winner. This is a disservice to the photographer.



* This message has been edited by the author on 7/19/2002 12:38:16 PM.
07/19/2002 12:43:57 PM · #48
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
I thought of a better way to say it: I''m not discounting a possible 10 on a photo because I think I have to pick just one winner. This is a disservice to the photographer.



But alternately, the pick one winner dude might be giving a ten to the best photo in a challenge, which you would have rated only an 8 in a really poor challenge, which would be giving extra credit to the photographer. Different voters use different scales...once everything is averaged, it all evens out.

07/19/2002 12:46:26 PM · #49
*Thinks he will post less in the future*
07/19/2002 12:55:49 PM · #50
Different voters use different scales...once everything is averaged, it all evens out.

True, Kim.

*Thinks he will post less in the future*

No, Aga'. Talk is good. ;-)






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