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07/31/2004 10:37:06 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
So with our military being spread so thin in Iraq and Afghanistan and many National Guard personnel being sent into Iraq, the question becomes who's defending the "homeland?" Seems to me the Bush administration has left us woefully vulnerable in the US contrary to his campaign's rhetoric about improving the security of the nation. |
The National Guard troops are going to relieve troops currently serving over there. The troops they replace will be sent back home. I live next door to Camp Pendleton and MCAS MiraMar and we see troops coming home on the news almost every night. I can assure you that Southern California is definitely protected. |
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08/01/2004 12:03:54 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
From what I know, Kerry wants to increase our military presence there to the tune of 40,000 more enlisted men/women. To guard oil wells? |
That's absolutely incorrect. Here's what John Kerry has actually said:
"We will add 40,000 active duty troops -- not in Iraq, but to strengthen American forces that are now overstretched, overextended, and under pressure. We will double our special forces to conduct anti-terrorist operations. We will provide our troops with the newest weapons and technology to save their lives -- and win the battle. And we will end the backdoor draft of National Guard and reservists."
You can read the full text here. |
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Sorry I don’t share your enthusiasm for John Kerry, and am actually, quite skeptical. I read through his speech, the link you provided, and while it all sounds so good, it always sounds so good this time of the election cycle. The hooplah rah rah of convention speech making is all rhetoric at this point. I liked a lot of what Kerry had to say but I think he spreads himself too thin for the purpose of broad appeal. Whether he is able to carry all these promises out if he gets into the White House is another story. Don’t get me wrongâ€Â¦I think that Kerry believes all he’s laid out to us in his acceptance speech and has every intention of carrying through with his “plans” (details of which are missing), but it’s easy to believe you’re the second coming of the Messiah when you’re standing in front of the all the convention delegates and national TV audience chanting your name.
Where exactly does Kerry plan on sending these new military troops if not Iraq? And for what purposes? If it were to be deployed in Afghanistan, I would venture to say that the purpose is for guarding a pipeline. Where else in the world do we have to send our young men/women to strengthen our country? And where are we going to get 40,000 new troops from? And how are we going to pay for them?
The Bush administration has been paying for this war by borrowing money he doesn’t have, which will put us in deep doo doo for 10 years to come. How does Kerry plan on paying for all the health care, education and energy development he has stated in this speech? And yet, he wants to increase the military budget and fund new technological development, (this last one I don’t see anything newâ€Â¦America has always been doing that). In addition, he states the purpose of developing new technologies is to ensure for the high paying jobs that will stay in the country. If I’m not mistaken, what he’s talking about is what used to be called automation and that is largely responsible for the decline in jobs over the past 50 years.
None of this sounds fiscally responsible to me because you just can’t be all things to all people. I guess you can when you want to get elected. I do believe that he does mean some of it, but even Bill Clinton had to make a choice between free health care and Nafta and he chose the latter and national health care lost out. He speaks of bipartisanship and including Republicans in the gov’tâ€Â¦yeah, right. Even George Bush declared he would do that. Finally, what really irks me about his speech is his invocation of god and religionâ€Â¦I assume to win over votes from the Christian right. Belief in a higher power is not the only way to promote values, morals and ethics. I’m sure there are many good and bad people who believe in god, and many good and bad people who are atheists and agnostics.
I will probably vote for Kerry, despite my reservations because I want the dangerous one currently inhabiting the White House sent back to Texas. I am open to seeing where Kerry will go in the months ahead, but I want to be realistic in my assessments and not get caught up in the rhetoric and hooplah of the moment.
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 00:08:11. |
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08/01/2004 10:01:15 AM · #53 |
Elite Troops Leaving the Military
Guardsmens Extension Considered
Where are we going to get 40,000 new troops from?
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 10:05:35. |
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08/01/2004 10:15:05 AM · #54 |
| Kerry wouldn't need to add 40,000 troops if Clinton hadn't wacked the hell out of the military in the late 90's. Maybe Kerry will have to do like Carter did and bump the pay up by 21% over two years. |
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08/01/2004 10:16:15 AM · #55 |
John Kerry
"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States."
Getting my vote! |
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08/01/2004 10:40:54 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by SMW409:
John Kerry
"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States."
Getting my vote! |
Ya thats pretty right on. |
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08/01/2004 10:56:51 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by SMW409:
John Kerry
"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States."
Getting my vote! |
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But what will he say or do next week?
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08/01/2004 11:14:27 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by SMW409:
John Kerry
"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States."
Getting my vote! |
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But what will he say or do next week?
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So what’s worse?
A guy who under changing circumstances in a changing world under constantly changing conditions, will sometimes change his mind.
Or
A guy who stands firm in his decisions even against the advise of some of his highest ranking advisors, will not admit wrong doing and refuses to acknowledge a mistake, even though they have been proved wrong over and over again. Meanwhile, his VP touts around the country TO THIS DAY, still misleading that Iraq had something to do with 911 or that Saddam harbored terrorists.
Man that’s a hard choice. /me breaks out the calculator..
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08/01/2004 11:19:29 AM · #59 |
Here are all the speeches from the DNC:
All DNC speeches |
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08/01/2004 12:43:04 PM · #60 |
| Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
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08/01/2004 12:49:10 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
Wow. Talk about wording bias into a question.
-Terry
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08/01/2004 01:02:01 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
That's like asking if you still beat your wife. Yes or No answer only... |
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08/01/2004 02:37:06 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
Wow. Talk about wording bias into a question.
-Terry |
Would either of you please reword the question for me? I really do not see the question as you two do. |
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08/01/2004 02:40:29 PM · #64 |
| Did you hear Ron Reagans speech about stem cell research? |
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08/01/2004 02:49:35 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
Wow. Talk about wording bias into a question.
-Terry |
Would either of you please reword the question for me? I really do not see the question as you two do. |
What is Mr. Kerry's position on abortion?
-Terry
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08/01/2004 04:03:06 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
Wow. Talk about wording bias into a question.
-Terry |
Would either of you please reword the question for me? I really do not see the question as you two do. |
What is Mr. Kerry's position on abortion?
-Terry |
You can find that information here and also here
Information like this can be found on all the candidates, president and past presidents here
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 16:07:37. |
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08/01/2004 04:03:52 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by scrum8:
Kerry wouldn't need to add 40,000 troops if Clinton hadn't wacked the hell out of the military in the late 90's. |
Thank you scrum!
And yes, I want to know about Kerry's stance on abortion as well. We can beat the Iraq & military issue to death, but that's another big issue that I haven't heard discussed yet.
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 16:04:23.
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08/01/2004 04:09:54 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
You can find that information here and also here
Information like this can be found on all the candidates, president and past presidents here |
Basically he's for it.
- Kerry staunchly resists restrictions on abortions. (Apr 27)
- Partial-birth abortion ban undermine women's right to choose. (Nov 2003)
- No criminalization of a woman's right to choose. (Jun 2003)
- Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 25)
- Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
- Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
- Voted NO on disallowing overseas military abortions. (May 1999)
- Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 4)
From here.
He's for it, I'm against him...
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 16:10:31.
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08/01/2004 04:33:50 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? |
Wow. Talk about wording bias into a question.
-Terry |
Would either of you please reword the question for me? I really do not see the question as you two do. |
What is Mr. Kerry's position on abortion?
-Terry |
You can find that information here and also here
Information like this can be found on all the candidates, president and past presidents here |
Note: I'm not asking, I'm repheasing the equestion per David's request.
-Terry
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08/01/2004 04:35:44 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Did you hear Ron Reagans speech about stem cell research? |
Did you hear the unborn babies cry while he made it? This type of research is not necessary. But this is just my opinion. Give up the good of some for the good of others? Is this democracy---freedom?
No matter how you phrase it, the result is the same. Abortion, Women's right to choose, Research, Killing human babies.....it is all the same result. One may have a better sound than the other, all the same in the end.
Does Mr. Kerry favor the killing of unborn human babies? Yes, he does.
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 16:45:48. |
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08/01/2004 04:53:09 PM · #71 |
| What is John Kerry's stand on the Patriot Act? |
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08/01/2004 05:02:35 PM · #72 |
Well, he was for it, now he is against it. But that figures, doesn't it.
Senator Kerry Originally Supported The Patriot Act
Kerry Voted For The Patriot Act.
Kerry Said The Patriot Act Modernizes Our Ability To Fight Crime. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "It streamlines the ability of law enforcement to do its job. It modernizes our ability to fight crime. I’m a former prosecutor and I remember the hoops we had to jump through sometimes legitimately because we want to protect our citizens to get a search warrant, to do surveillance, to have eavesdropping take place. â€Â¦ This will streamline surveillance, wiretapping and other efforts so we have an ability and a modern technology communications world to be able to keep law enforcement up to speed." (Fox News Channel’s "Live Event," 10/25/01)
Now Candidate Kerry Attacks The Patriot Act
Running For President, Kerry Began Bashing The Patriot Act. "Kerry also expressed deep concern about the broad spying powers given to the government’s USA PATRIOT Act, and suggested that it would be closely reviewed when its expiration date comes up next year." (Laura McClure, "Dodging The War Issue, Again," Salon.com, 3/14/03)
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08/01/2004 05:15:36 PM · #73 |
I believe that it's Kerry's stand on the Patriot Act that will tell us just what kind of president he's going to make. It will give us a picture of whether he will be a defender of the rights of the people of this country or of the multinational corporations and big business. It will show us if he plans on continuing the policies of the current administration to further repress the rights of US citizens in the name of national security, or one that will truly uphold the Constitution and it's guarantees of freedoms. Unless Kerry renounces the Patriot Act I fear that whoever wins the presidency in the US we will be heading into a new era of "McCarthyism."
Message edited by author 2004-08-01 17:52:28. |
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08/01/2004 06:17:44 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Well, he was for it, now he is against it. But that figures, doesn't it.
Senator Kerry Originally Supported The Patriot Act
Kerry Voted For The Patriot Act.
Kerry Said The Patriot Act Modernizes Our Ability To Fight Crime. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "It streamlines the ability of law enforcement to do its job. It modernizes our ability to fight crime. I’m a former prosecutor and I remember the hoops we had to jump through sometimes legitimately because we want to protect our citizens to get a search warrant, to do surveillance, to have eavesdropping take place. â€Â¦ This will streamline surveillance, wiretapping and other efforts so we have an ability and a modern technology communications world to be able to keep law enforcement up to speed." (Fox News Channel’s "Live Event," 10/25/01)
Now Candidate Kerry Attacks The Patriot Act
Running For President, Kerry Began Bashing The Patriot Act. "Kerry also expressed deep concern about the broad spying powers given to the government’s USA PATRIOT Act, and suggested that it would be closely reviewed when its expiration date comes up next year." (Laura McClure, "Dodging The War Issue, Again," Salon.com, 3/14/03) |
Originally after 911, the Patriot Act came about quickly and when it did it sounded real good. Considering its size most officials probably didnt read it through. Most likely not until later did he realize what all it was and then decided its not right.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin |
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08/01/2004 06:41:41 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally after 911, the Patriot Act came about quickly and when it did it sounded real good. Considering its size most officials probably didnt read it through. Most likely not until later did he realize what all it was and then decided its not right. |
If you're an elected official voting on things without reading and understanding them, you should be fired because you are useless. That is what we elect you to do. That's unacceptable for any elected official.
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