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K-Rob

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

07/14/2004 11:13:17 AM · #1

Is it just or me, or are there many shots on the Words challenge that are using the advanced editing rules? I already submitted a picture for DQ and have just igonored a couple of others. And I haven't even gone through all of them yet.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

07/14/2004 11:21:56 AM · #2

If you suspect that a shot wasn't legally done, raise a DQ request and vote as though the image is legal. The SC will review the DQ requests and take action where appropriate.

anonimo

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/14/2004 11:27:35 AM · #3

Yes sir and to many advertising Also.

Brooklynsbridge

Minolta DiMAGE S414

07/14/2004 11:33:35 AM · #4

I ONLY cropped it! that's it..that's all I did. This is a decal of my son's Karate team that is attached to the driver's side back seat window. For whatever reason...I would like to know what the person that got me DQ'd was thinking. This is not at all "made" on my computer cuz that's what my disqualifaction notice thought I did. Hell, I will go outside and taking another picture of my car..the whole thing..and then show it. This way there is proof. This really makes me mad. I should be posting this is RANT..but it's about the current challenge.

mcrael

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

07/14/2004 11:37:56 AM · #5

Originally posted by crazycrystal1977:

I don't think this is advertising..for one. and also i got DQ'd cuz of some people or maybe just ONE person that thought mind had advanced editing. Well I guess I'll explain this one!! This is my picture...
I ONLY cropped it! that's it..that's all I did. This is a decal of my son's Karate team that is attached to the driver's side back seat window. For whatever reason...I would like to know what the person that got me DQ'd was thinking. This is not at all "made" on my computer cuz that's what my disqualifaction notice thought I did. Hell, I will go outside and taking another picture of my car..the whole thing..and then show it. This way there is proof. This really makes me mad. I should be posting this is RANT..but it's about the current challenge.

Not very creative or original, photographing someone else's artwork outright, hmmmm?

whiteroom

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/14/2004 11:41:28 AM · #6

if a colour is too bright can one then use saturation to tone it down?
[if burn is not allowed] and what is the difference?
please advise for next challenge, the rules are not quite clear, to me anyhow.

markmyshots

Nikon D70

07/14/2004 11:42:26 AM · #7

yeah, i have had comment on mine also saying that its broken the rules...but it didnt..it just looks that way..i have submitted my picture for review and validation....

{edit}..oh well......hopefully the admins can validate my picture soon so i can stop getting creamed in the votes...

Message edited by EddyG - Pls do not discuss specifics of your current entry.

anonimo

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/14/2004 11:44:23 AM · #8

So is not Advertising? and is a decal of your sons Karate Team?...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/14/2004 11:46:35 AM · #9

Sorry to hear about the DQ. You're just not having a very good month are you? :-(

Are you sure this was a DQ for suspected advanced editing? It seems more likely that it fell into the "literal works of art" category. A photo of a printed piece like this would have to show some use of dramatic lighting, unique angle or some other added element in order to suggest the skill of the photographer. A flat, straight-on shot of somebody's art (even your own) could be DQ'd without question.

melismatica

Minolta DiMAGE F200

07/14/2004 12:05:00 PM · #10

Originally posted by markmyshots:

People are supposed to vote on entries as if they are valid, whether they suspect otherwise. I would hope that is what most would do, but human nature being what it is, a lot of people probably don't.

Message edited by EddyG - Edited quote to previously edited post.

Brooklynsbridge

Minolta DiMAGE S414

07/14/2004 12:10:22 PM · #11

Everybody's photos are photographs of someone else's artwork if you think about it. Did ya'll make the signs that you took a picture of? Didn't think so. Those of you that made your own words..you are more creative than me. Still don't think that mine should be dq'd.
I think this words challenge was a horrible challenge idea. Not many people seem to have stayed in the challenge. I am thinking of sitting the next few challenges out...considering every time I make an entry, it doesn't meet the challenge. Guess I must be weird cuz in my mind it is meeting the challenge.

Message edited by author 2004-07-14 12:12:54.

frisca

Nikon D70

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

07/14/2004 12:15:42 PM · #12

Originally posted by crazycrystal1977:

while it is true there is nothing new under the sun, if you take a shot for DPC which includes as a substantial element, someone else's artwork, you must include creative elements of your own, be it use of lighting and shadow or adding elements (like people or other objects) that makes the whole shot uniquely your own.

I'd also like to comment that I think if photos of flowers, children or pets are included in the category of "someone else's artwork" that's quite a stretch.

If you are still having difficulty understanding why your photo was DQ'd, please drop me a PM and I'll try my best to help you out. :)

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/14/2004 12:23:33 PM · #13

It's OK to shoot a picture of a picture/sculpture/whatever as long as you've done something that obviously demonstrates the photographer's influence. That same decal shot at an angle with a reflection of your son in his karate outfit, or a trophy/black belt as part of the composition would have been fine. It's those kinds of touches that make the viewer think about the photograph rather than just the artwork. That's the key.

melismatica

Minolta DiMAGE F200

07/14/2004 12:24:44 PM · #14

This is an interesting thread to me because my Purple entry was in danger of being submitted for DQ because it included a mural. Fortunately, the person was new and asked in his/her comment for me to clarify the Art editing rules. The difference is I used the mural (or tried to, anway) in a humourous way by including the passerby. My intent was to make it appear that the figure in the mural was watching her pass by. It isn't true street photography because I used my daughter. I'm too shy to take pictures of strangers on the street. I also used my daughter because of her magenta hair. If I had just done a shot of the mural without any context like the architecture of the underpass, the sidewalk, whatever, I could have gotten DQ'd. I hope this illustrates the difference somewhat.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

07/14/2004 01:50:12 PM · #15

Originally posted by crazycrystal1977:

Not "just ONE person" can DQ your entry. It takes a majority of the Site Council.
And what makes you feel that the decal is not advertising? Looks to me that you are advertising the fact that you son is in the karate club? Why else would you have the decal on your car? It's not a parking permit is it?

Brooklynsbridge

Minolta DiMAGE S414

07/14/2004 02:07:43 PM · #16

Well I guess I'm super proud of my red belted karate kid.. and it's words..to me.
In my opinion it's not advertising...but I'm the only one that thinks that.

StevePax

Canon PowerShot S50

07/14/2004 02:11:44 PM · #17

Please actually read the posts in this thread - no one has said this is advertising. It is a literal representation of someone else's work, with no addition of your own.

melismatica

Minolta DiMAGE F200

07/14/2004 02:36:10 PM · #18

I can clear up the advertising misunderstanding, I hope. This is a cross post for Crystal and someone on the other thread assumed her entry was for the Advertisement challenge and made a comment about it in that regard. The comment regarding advertising on this thread seems to be more about there being too many shots of advertisements used for the Words challenge. That is a subjective opinion that really doesn't apply to DQ or meeting the challenge.

Crystal, nobody has suggested that your shot was DQd for being an advertisement. I think it has been made pretty clear to you (and anyone else confused about the 'artwork' clause in the rules) why it was DQd.

Message edited by author 2004-07-14 14:38:20.

menardmam

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

07/14/2004 02:41:24 PM · #19

Photography should NOT be use as a copy machine.... or a photocopier.... dont do something and photography it.... it is not a contest of art in photo... it is photo as art....

just my opinion..

ciao

taterbug

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/14/2004 02:55:01 PM · #20

I havn't made it through all the entries yet, but from what I've seen, it seems to me if crystals shot was DQ'd, then there are several others that are similar in that they are just pictures of signs, etc.

Where is the line drawn between just representing anothers artwork, and where it includes the photographers input? Adding people/objects seems obvious, but just a different angle than straight on? Lighter/darker? hmmmm....interesting.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

07/14/2004 03:05:16 PM · #21

Originally posted by taterbug:

A lot of the time there are background elements in the photo, most of which cannot be duplicated, for example, sky, or trees. Maybe shadows or something. Statues are generally ok in regards to the 'artwork' rule. A sign would probably be DQed if it were a straight on shot of the sign, cropped right up to the edges including no background elements. However, including the background elements takes it out of the 'literal' representation category for me. If it's the cover of a magazine, poster, sticker, sign, or photograph, that is JUST a photo of that and nothing else. I will vote for DQ, as to me, that is literal representation. Can't speak for all members of SC, but I believe this is how most interpret this rule.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

07/14/2004 07:01:04 PM · #22

Originally posted by crazycrystal1977:

Crystal,

The notification email you received should contain the reason for disqualification. It was: "Literal photographic representations of the entirety of existing works of art, including your own, are not permitted. Please review the challenge submission rules."

This had nothing to do with your editing, or with advertising. And, while anyone can recommend that Site Council review an image, it takes a majority vote of SC to effect an actual disqualification.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2004-07-14 19:03:06.

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