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04/02/2011 11:31:18 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by patio127:
The sad thing about DPC is,you are not being scored by photographers of the same level of expertise that you have achieved (or not). That leaves your score being pretty much meaningless...
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
I'm not voting in this challenge. If you like, you can PM me the title of your work, and I'll leave you a comprehensive comment. Or, you can wait until rollover and ask then. |
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04/02/2011 11:50:37 PM · #152 |
Stagnant
Votes: 69
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 5.0435
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/02/11 11:49 pm
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04/02/2011 11:54:13 PM · #153 |
You're kicking my ass...I'm at a 4.7something. As far as I can see....mine is unique...at least to this free study...
Originally posted by SEG:
Stagnant
Votes: 69
Views: 104
Avg Vote: 5.0435
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/02/11 11:49 pm |
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04/02/2011 11:55:09 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by SEG:
I haven't pegged yours yet because your not in it this time. |
Whoops
Message edited by author 2011-04-03 00:04:21.
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04/03/2011 12:57:10 AM · #155 |
Originally posted by patio127:
The sad thing about DPC is,you are not being scored by photographers of the same level of expertise that you have achieved (or not). That leaves your score being pretty much meaningless...
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
This is so true. Got a comment from somebody and I was thinking, what the heck is this guy talking about. Well it only took a second to look at his profile and understand why and what he is all about. That's when you just have to let go and leave be. This is what makes DPC so unique. Comments would be nice but it's not always possible. There is space here from a the beginner to the pro. The young photographer and the old :). We all contribute and we all hopefully mature and learn. |
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04/03/2011 03:40:09 AM · #156 |
Come on guys you're killing me here.
Votes: 75
Views: 146
Avg Vote: 5.8400
Comments: 4
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04/03/2011 04:07:09 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by patio127:
The sad thing about DPC is,you are not being scored by photographers of the same level of expertise that you have achieved (or not). That leaves your score being pretty much meaningless...
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
I've done just as you ask before but it really isn't as straightforward as you might think. Try it yourself. Images that I've given low scores to are normally poorly executed and dull in subject matter - there isn't any nice way to dress that up, so when you take the time to point out the whys and wherefores of a low score given it's difficult to not come across as patronising, vindictive or both. How does that serve the photographer? It's very unusual for me to score 1-3 on an image that scores well overall, do you really think that the photographer remains mystified as why their shot didn't compare favourably with the competition? An out of focus figurine shot is never going to do well - how does saying "I don't like figurine shots and this one is particularly poorly executed" help? Do you really think that would tell the photographer something they might not glean themselves?
This sounds like a rant now... Sorry about that, it isn't meant to be :-)
I would offer a challenge to you, pick out some images that you've given a low score to and offer some comments as you suggest. If you can report back that you feel it was a worthwhile exercise then I'll reconsider my position in this regard. I suspect though, that you'll find the whole experience unrewarding and that the photographers you offer your views to won't thank you for it and, in the final analysis, will learn nothing new either. |
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04/03/2011 04:17:03 AM · #158 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Originally posted by patio127:
The sad thing about DPC is,you are not being scored by photographers of the same level of expertise that you have achieved (or not). That leaves your score being pretty much meaningless...
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
I've done just as you ask before but it really isn't as straightforward as you might think. Try it yourself. Images that I've given low scores to are normally poorly executed and dull in subject matter - there isn't any nice way to dress that up, so when you take the time to point out the whys and wherefores of a low score given it's difficult to not come across as patronising, vindictive or both. How does that serve the photographer? It's very unusual for me to score 1-3 on an image that scores well overall, do you really think that the photographer remains mystified as why their shot didn't compare favourably with the competition? An out of focus figurine shot is never going to do well - how does saying "I don't like figurine shots and this one is particularly poorly executed" help? Do you really think that would tell the photographer something they might not glean themselves?
This sounds like a rant now... Sorry about that, it isn't meant to be :-)
I would offer a challenge to you, pick out some images that you've given a low score to and offer some comments as you suggest. If you can report back that you feel it was a worthwhile exercise then I'll reconsider my position in this regard. I suspect though, that you'll find the whole experience unrewarding and that the photographers you offer your views to won't thank you for it and, in the final analysis, will learn nothing new either. |
Well put Paul. Been there done that. I generally now give a very short comment, at either end of the scale, with the occasional "Your image moved me" speech if it did :) |
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04/03/2011 04:49:06 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Originally posted by patio127:
The sad thing about DPC is,you are not being scored by photographers of the same level of expertise that you have achieved (or not). That leaves your score being pretty much meaningless...
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
I've done just as you ask before but it really isn't as straightforward as you might think. Try it yourself. Images that I've given low scores to are normally poorly executed and dull in subject matter - there isn't any nice way to dress that up, so when you take the time to point out the whys and wherefores of a low score given it's difficult to not come across as patronising, vindictive or both. How does that serve the photographer? It's very unusual for me to score 1-3 on an image that scores well overall, do you really think that the photographer remains mystified as why their shot didn't compare favourably with the competition? An out of focus figurine shot is never going to do well - how does saying "I don't like figurine shots and this one is particularly poorly executed" help? Do you really think that would tell the photographer something they might not glean themselves?
This sounds like a rant now... Sorry about that, it isn't meant to be :-)
I would offer a challenge to you, pick out some images that you've given a low score to and offer some comments as you suggest. If you can report back that you feel it was a worthwhile exercise then I'll reconsider my position in this regard. I suspect though, that you'll find the whole experience unrewarding and that the photographers you offer your views to won't thank you for it and, in the final analysis, will learn nothing new either. |
Did just that after reading patio127's post. ie. commented on all submissions that were in my two lowest scoring groups.
May or may not help the submitters but at least they now have "some" feedback rather than no-feedback at all.
And you're right....it's much easier to comment on the good entries :)
ps: I've only been back for a handful of challenges but I recall we'd get proportionately more comments, (and favs during voting), in the old days.
bazz.
Message edited by author 2011-04-03 04:52:07. |
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04/03/2011 10:01:23 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
I suspect though, that you'll find the whole experience unrewarding and that the photographers you offer your views to won't thank you for it and, in the final analysis, will learn nothing new either. |
That's why I like to post offers to comment on the entries of people who complain about a lack of comments on their poorly scoring entries. These people actively want comments in-challenge, and offering them is a good way to say exactly what the problems may be with a photo scoring lower. |
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04/03/2011 12:22:25 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by patio127:
The lack of constructive comments bothers me a lot- if someone gives an image a one or two or three- well stand up & say why !!! |
Yeah fair point...I'll be doing that from now on so don't be offended if you get one of my comments. |
Why would I be offended , Gary ? You wouldn't come across as "patronizing or vindictive " would you ?
I think you missed my point...enough said |
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04/03/2011 02:36:03 PM · #162 |
Thank you for your why a 5 and not a 6 comment  paulbtlw. Comments like that are useful and are very appreciated. By me at least.
Message edited by author 2011-04-03 19:21:11.
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04/03/2011 03:34:03 PM · #163 |
Votes: 77
Views: 123
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 1
I have been sitting at this same exact score since I had 53 votes |
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04/03/2011 06:50:38 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by Louis:
That's why I like to post offers to comment on the entries of people who complain about a lack of comments on their poorly scoring entries... |
I guess that should keep you busy for a while, huh? :O)
Ray |
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04/03/2011 08:43:13 PM · #165 |
Was down to 6.02 before... good to see it now getting some distance from going below 6.0
Votes: 84
Views: 149
Avg Vote: 6.1310
Comments: 1 |
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04/03/2011 08:59:45 PM · #166 |
Votes: 91
Views: 151
Avg Vote: 6.0659
Comments: 6
Good number of comments, thanks. Score could be better :) |
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04/03/2011 09:53:19 PM · #167 |
I'm ... slowly ... clawing ... my ... way ... back ... to .... 6
Hopefully make it back over the line soon.
Votes: 85
Views: 163
Avg Vote: 5.9294
Comments: 5
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04/03/2011 10:08:10 PM · #168 |
I LOVE my comments - thanks, people! I really should go pay it back, too. But I'm doing my taxes. Argh...
Score was disconcertingly astronomical early, then slid into OMG! for awhile. Then down to "maybe a top twenty in a FS???" but is now at a very nice but more realistic "maybe hang for a top 50 in a FS?" range. I'm good with it. |
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04/03/2011 10:17:50 PM · #169 |
| I would still love a comment - any comment. Score is decent, though. |
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04/03/2011 10:20:32 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Score was disconcertingly astronomical early, then slid into OMG! for awhile. Then down to "maybe a top twenty in a FS???" but is now at a very nice but more realistic "maybe hang for a top 50 in a FS?" range. I'm good with it. |
kind of in the same boat for me, first 2 votes were 9s which was a first for me then dropped dramatically over the weekend. starting to make a slight comeback though. |
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04/03/2011 10:27:39 PM · #171 |
Votes: 87
Views: 142
Avg Vote: 6.3448
Comments: 5
Happy with the score and comments. But i'd be happier if i can get comments that contain more than one word :)
Better if someone can give me a Why a 6 and not a 7 type of comment ;) |
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04/03/2011 10:37:18 PM · #172 |
| 4.63 but is fair compared to the competition. I predict my Black & White entry will score TWO whole points higher than my Free Study ! |
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04/03/2011 10:38:40 PM · #173 |
Votes: 87
Views: 155
Avg Vote: 6.0460
Comments: 5
Favorites: 1
Nuhutbaad! |
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04/04/2011 12:33:21 AM · #174 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
"compared to the competition" |
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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04/04/2011 02:42:34 AM · #175 |
well I have made it back up to my average at least.....almost dead on the money to boot =)
Votes: 87
Views: 146
Avg Vote: 5.4598
Comments: 3 |
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