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03/04/2011 11:10:16 AM · #26
Originally posted by marnet:

Someone already entered this challenge! How did they do it? It was already after sunrise when I woke up this morning. It must be an entry from Australia! (or an insomniac :)

I assume you're just joking around again.
03/04/2011 11:37:13 AM · #27
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by marnet:

Someone already entered this challenge! How did they do it? It was already after sunrise when I woke up this morning. It must be an entry from Australia! (or an insomniac :)

I assume you're just joking around again.
Yes, I am lost in time zones :)
03/04/2011 01:19:12 PM · #28
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Let me add, BTW, that another issue restricting night photography right now, in these parts at least, is absolutely frigid nighttime temperatures. And we don't have it anywhere near as bad as some places :-(

But I guess that's what makes it a "challenge"?

R.

I don't see anything in the challenge description requiring that you and your camera be outdoors ...
03/04/2011 01:26:21 PM · #29
Originally posted by GeneralE:


I don't see anything in the challenge description requiring that you and your camera be outdoors ...

Excellent point! However, there is this phrase, "...You should try to include some element in your photograph that shows it's night time." To me, that requires something more than a contrivance. I'm sure there are some clever ideas. I assume there will be no cross check of EXIF time of capture vs. the sunset to sunrise time window.

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 13:27:08.
03/04/2011 01:34:40 PM · #30
I entered a shot like this years ago with mediocre results.
03/04/2011 01:38:16 PM · #31
Originally posted by scalvert:

I entered a shot like this years ago with mediocre results.


thats awesome, too bad i wont be getting any moon shots...
03/04/2011 01:43:28 PM · #32
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


I don't see anything in the challenge description requiring that you and your camera be outdoors ...

Excellent point! However, there is this phrase, [i]"......
I assume there will be no cross check of EXIF time of capture vs. the sunset to sunrise time window.


Hmmm- speaking of windows, I suppose it would be okay to point a camera at a scene where the camera and photographer are on the comfy side of the window.
03/04/2011 01:53:42 PM · #33
i must admit, im really, really bummed this is being done during a new moon. is there even going to be enough ambient light to take a long exposure to make it look like day, assuming one doesn't take it during dawn or dusk?
03/04/2011 01:59:02 PM · #34
This appeared more day like in color. I don't recall having a moon that night, and it was taken around midnight.
03/04/2011 02:19:26 PM · #35
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

This appeared more day like in color. I don't recall having a moon that night, and it was taken around midnight.
That's very nice. Pity no sea or scenic rocks here :(
PS It is also overcast here - no stars (lousy typing)

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 14:26:14.
03/04/2011 02:55:17 PM · #36
Originally posted by mike_311:

i must admit, im really, really bummed this is being done during a new moon. is there even going to be enough ambient light to take a long exposure to make it look like day, assuming one doesn't take it during dawn or dusk?


There pretty much always is enough ambient light to shoot, except maybe in the deep wilderness on a cloudy night. In fact, the argument can be made that the full moon LIMITS your options, in that it creates a very contrasty light :-)

R.

This was shot at roughly 5 AM in the dead of the winter. It was a DARK NIGHT! ISO 1600, 1 minute exposure. So it's not that big a deal. Even if your camera noises up at high ISO, you can do the same thing in 4 minutes at 400, or 8 minutes at 200, or open it up a stop, you get the idea. The 5D though, that's a REALLY good night camera.




Message edited by author 2011-03-04 14:58:32.
03/04/2011 03:15:22 PM · #37
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Even if your camera noises up at high ISO, you can do the same thing in 4 minutes at 400, or 8 minutes at 200, or open it up a stop, you get the idea.

Mine is barely usable at ISO 200, and has a maximum exposure of 15 seconds -- I will have to use other tricks ... :-(
03/04/2011 03:48:58 PM · #38
A color version outtake of my 4AM challenge entry. 523s. 10/28/10 4:13 AM. 64% waning gibbous moon. Plenty of light. Looks like daylight to me, except for the star trails.



Between now and March 10, we will only have a crescent moon (23% on 03/09/11). So, not as much moonlight means using more twilight and longer exposures. We will have fresh snow on Sunday through Tuesday. So, if the sky clears after that, it will be a good setup.

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 16:00:52.
03/04/2011 04:05:17 PM · #39
Originally posted by androgeus:

Here it is the source of inspiration


Nearly every single shot i saw so far was not past full sunset which if you rear the rules..... So yeah thats where I am stumped.

Your entry should be taken prior to sunrise and post-sunset.

But the moon will still provide some light in some areas on some days weather permitted. Im just saying i saw alot of suns in the corners of those shots. Not all of them though.

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 16:05:44.
03/04/2011 04:56:20 PM · #40
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Im just saying i saw alot of suns in the corners of those shots. Not all of them though.


A lot of those that look like they were shot with the sun at or near (but above) the horizon are actually street lamps or other man-made light sources, which at very long exposures can mimic the sun.
I did see a *lot* of very creative photos in that series.
03/04/2011 05:20:13 PM · #41
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Im just saying i saw alot of suns in the corners of those shots. Not all of them though.


A lot of those that look like they were shot with the sun at or near (but above) the horizon are actually street lamps or other man-made light sources, which at very long exposures can mimic the sun.
I did see a *lot* of very creative photos in that series.


Beat me to it. I have examined a LOT of the "suspicious" ones, and they all have other sources for the "sun" than the sun :-) It raises an interesting question: if your shot looks too MUCH like daylight, will you get punished (by the voters) for not being "nighty" enough?

R.
03/04/2011 05:30:46 PM · #42
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

if your shot looks too MUCH like daylight, will you get punished (by the voters) for not being "nighty" enough?

Do you really have to ask? 1
03/04/2011 05:42:50 PM · #43
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by gcoulson:

Richard, my tendency is towards the first definition of twilight.

On March 9, 2011
Sunset 18:00
Civil Twilight ends 18:27
Moon: 23% waxing crescent, moonset 23:00
This is my 27 minute window for natural light.

Moon altitude and azimuth and %disc:
18:00 53.3 245.7 0.23
18:10 51.6 248.3 0.23
18:20 49.9 250.7 0.23
18:30 48.1 252.9 0.23


The way voters have hammered the challenge descriptions I would think that twilight shots will suffer their wrath as well...If I shoot it will be in darkness just to be safe.
03/04/2011 06:00:38 PM · #44
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

if your shot looks too MUCH like daylight, will you get punished (by the voters) for not being "nighty" enough?

Do you really have to ask? 1

To predictively paraphrase Grog, "Me guess more nighties = good score"

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 18:02:07.
03/04/2011 06:29:11 PM · #45
Originally posted by kleski:

....
The way voters have hammered the challenge descriptions I would think that twilight shots will suffer their wrath as well...If I shoot it will be in darkness just to be safe.

Like after the end of astronomical twilight on a cloudy night away from the lights of civilization? It gets REALLY dark!
03/04/2011 07:46:25 PM · #46
For a fee I will happily provide the moon for your photograph. I assure you this time of year(and year round) it's pretty darn white!

Matt
03/04/2011 08:05:37 PM · #47
How can there be daylight colors in a long exposure taken at night, when there is no light to reflect? I'm sure this is a hopelessly clueless question, but I don't see how I'm ever gonna vote on this one. I checked out the Long Exposure group on Flickr. Read the Wiki explanation. Still clueless. Can anyone point me to some info online that might help me get a clue?
03/04/2011 08:34:09 PM · #48
Originally posted by pixelpig:

How can there be daylight colors in a long exposure taken at night, when there is no light to reflect? I'm sure this is a hopelessly clueless question, but I don't see how I'm ever gonna vote on this one. I checked out the Long Exposure group on Flickr. Read the Wiki explanation. Still clueless. Can anyone point me to some info online that might help me get a clue?


There's light to reflect, just not enough for our color vision to react to. The camera still does, however, given a long enough exposure.
FWIW, remember that the moon is a light gray, sunlit object. The reflected light from the moon is, therefore, just weakened sunlight. Given enough exposure time, a moonlit scene will look just like bright daylight, including a beautiful blue sky!
03/04/2011 08:40:30 PM · #49
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

How can there be daylight colors in a long exposure taken at night, when there is no light to reflect? I'm sure this is a hopelessly clueless question, but I don't see how I'm ever gonna vote on this one. I checked out the Long Exposure group on Flickr. Read the Wiki explanation. Still clueless. Can anyone point me to some info online that might help me get a clue?


There's light to reflect, just not enough for our color vision to react to. The camera still does, however, given a long enough exposure.
FWIW, remember that the moon is a light gray, sunlit object. The reflected light from the moon is, therefore, just weakened sunlight. Given enough exposure time, a moonlit scene will look just like bright daylight, including a beautiful blue sky!


That is so wierd! My brain can't get a grip on a little bit of sunlight reflected off the moon having that effect. How long do you have to keep the shutter open to gather enuf light to get daytime colors--5 min. minimum?
03/04/2011 08:42:59 PM · #50
Not the best shot ever, but this one was taken at 2am:


No chance of improving on it for this challenge as it's summer here. Even if it were winter, the chance of snow is almost non-existent.
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