?s about atheism but were afraid to ask

02/21/2011 07:36:18 PM · #401

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Did I mention "atheist" even once?

Yep... less than five minutes ago:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

This has to do with the positions of the people on this site who happen to be atheists.

02/21/2011 07:38:02 PM · #402

Originally posted by Louis:

What's it doing in this thread then?

Because some atheists on this thread hold this moral framework and like I told SP, I'm too lazy to make separate threads for y'all. It's like asking a question specific to baptists over on the other thread...

02/21/2011 07:39:13 PM · #403

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Did I mention "atheist" even once?

Yep... less than five minutes ago:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
This has to do with the positions of the people on this site who happen to be atheists.

Some atheists on this site happen to be morons. Does that imply all atheists are morons? :P

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02/21/2011 07:40:23 PM · #404

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Did I mention "atheist" even once?

Yep... less than five minutes ago:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
This has to do with the positions of the people on this site who happen to be atheists.

Some atheists on this site happen to be morons. Does that imply all atheists are morons? :P

Woah nelly. lol.

Louis

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02/21/2011 07:43:24 PM · #405

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Louis:
What's it doing in this thread then?

Because some atheists on this thread hold this moral framework and like I told SP, I'm too lazy to make separate threads for y'all. It's like asking a question specific to baptists over on the other thread...

So the question is for atheists. Wtf?

Louis

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02/21/2011 07:45:55 PM · #406

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Some atheists on this site happen to be morons.

Oh yeah, you're not into insulting value judgements at all. lol

02/21/2011 07:52:22 PM · #407

OK, let's take a step back. Why the animosity?

Was my question stepping over some bound? Was it anything but civil discourse? Did I lump everybody together? Does it not speak to a subset of the atheists on DPC?

I just don't get it.

02/21/2011 07:53:33 PM · #408

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

And you never have :)

02/21/2011 07:54:17 PM · #409

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

And you never have :)

Zing. Where's the love? At least I gave you credit for answering the question...

02/21/2011 07:59:59 PM · #410

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
And you never have :)

Zing. Where's the love? At least I gave you credit for answering the question...

That IS love from me. It's a friendly dig. Or supposed to be, anyway. You set yourself up with the moron comment. I want names ;)

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02/21/2011 08:03:32 PM · #411

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Some atheists on this site happen to be morons. Does that imply all atheists are morons? :P

Hmm... yeah, I must be one of the morons for not understanding why you posted a question in the "?s about atheism" thread that YOU created that isn't a question about atheism, yet "has to do with the positions of the people on this site who happen to be atheists" even though you didn't mention atheism once, so you can understand the atheist perspective even though it would be useless for that purpose since it only applies to some. I is dum.

GeneralE

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02/21/2011 08:11:05 PM · #412

Originally posted by shutterpuppy:

Is there a biblical resolution for whether the hypothetical is moral/immoral/amoral?

In Judaism the rabbi would apply a technique of analysis called pilpul based on Talmudic interpretation of the Torah ... AFAIK all problems occurring in the temporal plane are supposed to yield a solution by this method.

02/21/2011 08:12:16 PM · #413

I guess I'm being dumb here. Can I only ask questions that apply to all atheists? I thought there really wasn't much that fell under that column except that they don't believe in gods. That's a pretty boring thread.

If someone asked, "I've noticed some southern baptists don't allow dancing. Why is this?" should I get all bent out of shape because that question has no business in the Christian thread since it only applies to a subset of Christians? Let's try to remain calm here...

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02/21/2011 08:14:13 PM · #414

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
And you never have :)

Zing. Where's the love? At least I gave you credit for answering the question...

That IS love from me. It's a friendly dig. Or supposed to be, anyway. You set yourself up with the moron comment. I want names ;)

Sorry. Should have seen the smiley in full effect.

GeneralE

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02/21/2011 08:15:47 PM · #415

Originally posted by David Ey:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Melethia:
... I have been househunting and the taxes here are astronomical.)

And yet your neighbors who have owned their houses for the last 20 years will be paying 1/4 the property taxes as you will.

That's not how it works in Texas.

You (smartly) didn't pass Proposition 13 some 33 years ago ... you wonder why California has a $25 Billion deficit and schools which have gone from first in the nation to about forty-fifth, you can thank the Howard Jarvis tax revolters.

The real problem is that commercial property -- which is resold much less often than residential -- also doesn't get reassessed. AFAIK a corporation like Chevron gets to pay property taxes on their facilities (like a refinery) at the same rates as thirty years ago.

02/21/2011 08:29:44 PM · #416

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Can I only ask questions that apply to all atheists? I thought there really wasn't much that fell under that column except that they don't believe in gods.

You're not asking a question that applies to atheists at all. The question requires a personal judgement call that has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of belief in gods, and the answers would be no more characteristic of atheists than of people who have blue eyes. How do you think people who don't believe Zeus would answer that question? What about people who don't believe in UFOs? You're still looking for some non-existent "disbelief system."

02/21/2011 08:33:46 PM · #417

Well, the conversation was somewhat interesting until Thing #1 and Thing #2 showed up and we started having the much less interesting conversation of what questions are appropriate for this thread...

OK all you blue-eyed atheists who like to understand morality through the system of liberty, now's your chance to speak out.

...but you have to have blue eyes! ;)

02/21/2011 08:36:41 PM · #418

I'm still waiting to hear from the people who don't believe in UFOs. Their take should be particularly enlightening because, umm...

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02/21/2011 08:42:09 PM · #419

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I think you're just scared to death of a concept wherein there's no over-arching morality system for everyone to follow. Especially if it means your own chosen morality system becomes ignored or secondary. So in order to tone down your fear, you are struggling to fit such diversity into something that fits your own comfortable (and far less frightening) thought process.

Reality, however, doesn't work that way :D

This whole thread, of course, was ridiculous to begin with. You pigeonholed YOURSELF and then have the audacity to get frustrated with people pointing out the pigeonhole.

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02/21/2011 09:03:41 PM · #420

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

All right, here's my answer from a blue eyed atheist. I believe she is only harming herself, therefore you leave her alone. If anyone is to intervene at all it should be to give her the mental assistance help she probably needs. Money really isn't an issue here. But I have to tell you, what you are actually getting isn't truly an atheists view, but more a liberal view. I don't actively think of myself as an atheist. I don't spend any part of my day thinking "hey, I'll do something this way because I'm an atheist". It just doesn't work that way. If you asked the right question I'll bet you not one person actively thinks on a daily basis, "hey I'm an atheist so I must behave this way". The only it time it comes into play in my life at all is when someone specifically asks me for my religious affiliation and that rarely happens.

02/21/2011 09:05:40 PM · #421

I just don't quite get the constant assumption that I'm trying to pigeonhole people. First I get accused of thinking atheists have no morality. Then when I try to explore one of the systems I see employed by local atheists (which obviously assumes that at least some atheists have a moral system), people think I'm stepping over some bound or just don't get it.

It's utterly ridiculous. I think it is part of the syndrome where many of y'all are so used to ripping other systems down you haven't really paid attention to your own system (whatever that may be).

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02/21/2011 09:06:30 PM · #422

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I didn't say you were pigeonholing anyone but yourself.

Kelli

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02/21/2011 09:14:22 PM · #423

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, the conversation was somewhat interesting until Thing #1 and Thing #2 showed up and we started having the much less interesting conversation of what questions are appropriate for this thread...

OK all you blue-eyed atheists who like to understand morality through the system of liberty, now's your chance to speak out.

...but you have to have blue eyes! ;)

All right, here's my answer from a blue eyed atheist. I believe she is only harming herself, therefore you leave her alone. If anyone is to intervene at all it should be to give her the mental assistance help she probably needs. Money really isn't an issue here. But I have to tell you, what you are actually getting isn't truly an atheists view, but more a liberal view. I don't actively think of myself as an atheist. I don't spend any part of my day thinking "hey, I'll do something this way because I'm an atheist". It just doesn't work that way. If you asked the right question I'll bet you not one person actively thinks on a daily basis, "hey I'm an atheist so I must behave this way". The only it time it comes into play in my life at all is when someone specifically asks me for my religious affiliation and that rarely happens.

Oh, and Ray answered too. And if you go back and look his view is completely a 180 of mine. Of course we come from different countries with different social and health care laws so that has a lot to do with it as well.

Melethia

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