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Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

10/06/2010 12:05:15 PM · #27

I can only look at my average how do you look at individual votes. I would like to see how my numbers break down.

pedrobop

Canon PowerShot SX100 IS

10/06/2010 12:11:00 PM · #28

Lol...what can i say, my description tells that i was gonna get smashed by voters. My entry is just not literal enough i think....

Votes: 27
Views: 60
Avg Vote: 4.0741
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0

At least one comment! Thanks!

Aarthek

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/06/2010 12:21:09 PM · #29

Originally posted by sjhuls:

I can only look at my average how do you look at individual votes. I would like to see how my numbers break down.

At the end of voting you will be given a graph that shows how many votes in each value.

amsterdamman

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/06/2010 12:35:07 PM · #30

Votes: 32
Views: 67
Avg Vote: 2.4063
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/06/10 12:10 pm

will I earn a brown ribbon??

When the winning photo consistently earns under an 8, I question the voting system.
I'm happier to have evoked a reaction and a 2.4 or less - than another "Meh" 5 image.

Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS HSM

10/06/2010 01:17:32 PM · #31

Originally posted by sjhuls:

I can only look at my average how do you look at individual votes. I would like to see how my numbers break down.

Seeing the individual vote generally requires a spreadsheet into which you enter your score progressively as voting passes, and an unhealthy addiction to the update button.

If you capture the scores on a per vote basis, the spreadsheet will tell you what score you received for that vote. Of course you could work it out manually but why bother when someone has done all the hard work for you :-)

edit: I use the one provided by

klkitchens

Message edited by author 2010-10-06 13:19:07.

Ammie

Nikon D500

10/06/2010 01:43:56 PM · #32

Gee, three challenges, 200 votes and 1 comment!

gadion

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 24mm f/1.4L USM II

10/06/2010 01:47:01 PM · #33

Votes: 29
Views: 63
Avg Vote: 5.1379
Comments: 2

@

Cyberlandz and

michelaudette The object in my photo is not what you have talked about in your comments but it is what the title says.

Message edited by author 2010-10-06 13:47:21.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

10/06/2010 01:56:19 PM · #34

i sitting on a 4.4, i havent entered a challenge in awhile, and this showing inst going to encourage me to do more :)

the one comment i have made good on my fear. I kept refining my pic 3 or 4 times and i think i made it worse with the final crop.

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

10/06/2010 02:11:29 PM · #35

Originally posted by Aarthek:

Originally posted by JopsyDaisy:
I don't know how much we are allowed to discuss the submissions, but am I the only one who has noticed the same object in five different pictures? When I say the same, I mean the same, not similar. Is it someone taking a piss with several accounts or several people taking pictures of the same object?

Yup I noticed that.

I checked the EXIF data on 5 of them... bizarrely they are taken with 4 different cameras (2 shot with the same camera) - however all 5 shots were edited the same day at roughly the same time, with the same version of "Paint" software.

I sense a hatful of DQ's coming

edit: In fact the more I look, the more I find... about a dozen images so far, mostly with different cameras, some with dates way outside the challenge dates - yet all edited around the same time with the same software.

The more I think about it, maybe this is a "photography class" where a bunch of students are all submitting images from a lesson? Or am I overthinking it?

Message edited by author 2010-10-06 14:33:04.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/06/2010 02:40:15 PM · #36

maybe this "class" is giving out all the low scores...

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

10/06/2010 03:14:19 PM · #37

The detective in me wouldn't let it lie..

There are 22 images all taken at around the same time with a handful of different cameras. A couple of which have the wrong date/time set (there are 5 shots showing the exact same wrong date in 2007).

One of the images has a title which clearly indicates that this is some sort of photography class. Clearly the teacher set the challenge and this has resulted in 22 images being edited on the same or identical spec PC's.

No doubt they are competing together.

I feel a bit bad now about the dozen or so DQ requests I have submitted. The last thing I want to do is discourage a bunch of new students from entering the challenge. I guess the Site Council need to be made aware of this bunch of 22 images though, as there is potentially a massive voting irregularity about to ensure.

colorcarnival

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

10/06/2010 03:29:18 PM · #38

Originally posted by lawrysimm:

One of the images has a title which clearly indicates that this is some sort of photography class.

I have felt that this sort of thing has been going on since school started. If you look back at any challenges that happened around end of August or beginning of September, you will see a lot of comments about the unusually low voting that is occurring. I also believe that this has been going on for several years now too. It would be nice to know which school is doing this. :)

Now the next thing that concerns me is that you guys can actually get this info off of pictures that are in voting. I think I was taught a way around this, because I personally don't want someone to find things that could identify my pic until after the challenge is over. I like the investigative work that's going on here but it bugs me that it goes on while a challenge is active.

Luci11e

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/06/2010 04:07:45 PM · #39

voting in that challenge was painful and now I'm searching for the asprin

Jon_H

10/06/2010 04:08:51 PM · #40

Im sure any votes would be given fairly, but having the ability to spot those who are A, Taking the mick or B, submitting images that are outside the rules can only be a good thing.

If someone is taking the time to spot those who are violating the rules/spirit of the site then they should be praised and not critisised.

i doft my cap to you Lawrysimm.

Jon_H

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR

10/06/2010 04:10:11 PM · #41

Originally posted by Luci11e:

voting in that challenge was painful and now I'm searching for the asprin

Too true, i did not enjoy voting today.

oldbimmercoupe

Fujifilm X-Pro3

10/06/2010 04:16:54 PM · #42

indeed! same damn granite countertop (or faux granite). somebody has multiple accounts and doesnt even try to hide the fact.

overall quality in this challenge is quite poor. I dont get it.

Originally posted by JopsyDaisy:

I don't know how much we are allowed to discuss the submissions, but am I the only one who has noticed the same object in five different pictures? When I say the same, I mean the same, not similar. Is it someone taking a piss with several accounts or several people taking pictures of the same object?

colorcarnival

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

10/06/2010 04:28:52 PM · #43

Originally posted by Jon_H:

If someone is taking the time to spot those who are violating the rules/spirit of the site then they should be praised and not critisised.

If people are spotting an irregularity, sure, I think they should point that out to someone. And I thought we had a process for that - which is to report it to the SC? And yeah, good for them for helping refine the process. (serious statement, no sarcasm)

But since people have been posting here about the common images, curiosity got the best of me and I went looking for them (and I still have not found them). But if I did find them, it would make me question how to actually vote on them. And I'd be voting on something akin to heresay (based on people posting their findings as a result of using whatever method they chose to investigate the photo).

So it bothers me because 1) people are getting info about images that are technically not a part of the visible voting process and then 2) they are posting their findings which causes me to wonder how to evaluate the photos. These things bug me. And that's why I posted.

10/06/2010 04:53:39 PM · #44

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

So it bothers me because 1) people are getting info about images that are technically not a part of the visible voting process

EXIF data is stored within every image file. Or at least the fields are present as metadata within the file. Whether those fields are populated or not is down to you and your software setup. One would never look at EXIF data as part of a voting process (too much messing about for a start). The EXIF data holds things like camera model, date taken, ISO, shutter, aperture settings etc. So from an investigative viewpoint it can offer some clues. Of course, EXIF data can be edited so is not canonical. Unless you specifically set your software to include your name etc in the EXIF data then your images won't be identifiably yours from EXIF data, unless you have a particularly rare camera model, and others are aware that you are the owner.

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

2) they are posting their findings which causes me to wonder how to evaluate the photos.

I'd say evaluate the photo's exactly as you would anyway - I will do likewise. Treat them all as valid until such a time as it is deemed that they are not. Various people here have noticed irregularities. I have notified the site council of everything that I have seen and asked them to look into the challenge as a whole. If it is all deemed valid then so be it - that won't alter my voting in any way. It does however raise questions as to what happens if the 22 submissions in question all vote each other high marks.

None of the images have been identified by name or content (aside from the rather obvious 5 images with exactly the same content) and an allusion to a location.

If any Site Council feels this discussion is going way out of bounds, I'd be happy for the thread to be edited so any of the above information is removed.

sjhuls

10/06/2010 04:53:56 PM · #45

I would never try to sway voting, but the similarities are so obvious. I noticed them before looking at these posts. P.S. If you do find them, I doubt any of these post will affect your scoring, its pretty obvious how they should be scored.(of course I won't tell you what score I gave them) I certainly would have given them the excact same score regardless of disqualification.

If this is a class shouldn't the teacher be monitoring the entries a little more closely????

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

10/06/2010 05:34:30 PM · #46

I apologise if any of my posts above are out of order x.

I see Shannon and Neil of the SC have come online in the last few mins so hopefully they're around long enough to check the ticket queue and look into this one.

colorcarnival

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

10/06/2010 05:58:06 PM · #47

Originally posted by lawrysimm:

thanks for the info. Someone once told me that if you do a "Save for Web" then certain information is not available. is this not true?

Originally posted by lawrysimm:

I figured you would submit to SC because you had a lot of good info. But let's say that these photos turn out to be legit. Even tho they have not been specifically identified, they've been sought out (at least by me) and now marked as a curiosity. I just don't see how people can vote on these without some kind of prejudice.

Anywho - I'm sorry it sounds like I'm arguing with you. And yes I do think it's a good thing that people are pointing this out. This long discussion really is a reault of me just saying something was bugging me lol. Oh well... back to the quiet zone :)