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10/09/2010 11:50:11 AM · #26 |
The way I see it, professionals are more likely to move from Olympus to the Canon or Nikon system - its unlikely you`d ever find ANY professionals who would move the other way unless paid or sponsored to do so.
I appreciate that you Olympus owners love your cameras and the system you have brought into - but can you be 100% honest, if you had a chance to start from scratch again - would you REALLY go for a 4/3 system camera? |
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10/09/2010 01:17:24 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Simms:
The way I see it, professionals are more likely to move from Olympus to the Canon or Nikon system - its unlikely you`d ever find ANY professionals who would move the other way unless paid or sponsored to do so.
I appreciate that you Olympus owners love your cameras and the system you have brought into - but can you be 100% honest, if you had a chance to start from scratch again - would you REALLY go for a 4/3 system camera? |
If I was going to go pro and start from scratch and jump right into it, I would not initially consider Olympus. For the Oly cameras that I̢۪ve used, I don't like the noise issues. Plus I̢۪d love to try a shoot using a full-frame system. However, I've never shot as a pro, never used any pro camera so I feel I don̢۪t have enough personal experience to make a solid recommendation.
I'm shooting as a hobbyist, with mostly midrange lenses. I love most of my Oly lenses, and I have noticed a difference in the quality of my shots when I use the better ones. I do like my Olympus system and will continue to invest in it because it suits my needs for now.
I had a hard time finding any pro sites that were not recommended by Oly (lol). So go look at  gsal̢۪s work. He̢۪s using an E-500 and look at the work he̢۪s produced. I̢۪m using a 520 and my work still sucks. So it̢۪s obviously skill and not the camera (or the fact that he comes from Iceland).
How about you tell me why I SHOULD NOT use Oly? It would be good to hear from someone who works as a pro and has the experience. (And if MattO reads this – I’m sure he’ll chime in.)
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10/09/2010 01:43:48 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Simms:
The way I see it, professionals are more likely to move from Olympus to the Canon or Nikon system - its unlikely you`d ever find ANY professionals who would move the other way unless paid or sponsored to do so.
I appreciate that you Olympus owners love your cameras and the system you have brought into - but can you be 100% honest, if you had a chance to start from scratch again - would you REALLY go for a 4/3 system camera? |
Full frame. Oly comes out with one and I'll buy it but until then I'm entertaining the thought of switching.
So I guess the answer would be no, I wouldn't go 4/3s. I want to do some serious landscape and real estate work but I'm limited by my lenses and I do not want to buy a 2400 dollar lens for a 4/3s camera. I'll buy it for a FF camera instead. |
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10/09/2010 01:52:20 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
How about you tell me why I SHOULD NOT use Oly? It would be good to hear from someone who works as a pro and has the experience. (And if MattO reads this – I’m sure he’ll chime in.) |
I can`t tell you why you shouldn`t use it, I can only tell you why I wouldn`t use it. The thread evolved from the original post because someone made a comment saying that Full-frame system would be a disadvantage to a professional user and I replied saying that the 4/3s system is of no use to a professional photographer - and I stand by that - I have worked with many pro-photographers and have never ever seen them using an Olympus camera - the pro kit of choice (excluding those who shoot medium/large format) is either Nikon or Canon.
Also, since starting up Phototeach we have had many many photographers pass through our doors, and I think we have seen a 50/50 split between Canon and Nikon, with only one Sony being used a few weeks back. The other systems just don`t get a look in.
Olympus, Sony, Sigma etc. will have to make some real advances to compete with the big boys. If I had to say who had the best chance I would probably say Sony. Then again, with some clever marketing and high-profile users on board maybe one of them can rise to the challenge. But I doubt it will be Olympus with the 4/3 system. Just my opinion and we all know what thats worth on this site!
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10/09/2010 04:32:28 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I can`t tell you why you shouldn`t use it, I can only tell you why I wouldn`t use it. The thread evolved from the original post because someone made a comment saying that Full-frame system would be a disadvantage to a professional user and I replied saying that the 4/3s system is of no use to a professional photographer - and I stand by that - I have worked with many pro-photographers and have never ever seen them using an Olympus camera - the pro kit of choice (excluding those who shoot medium/large format) is either Nikon or Canon. |
I'm not one to look up technical info about any technology that i use so I never really bothered to look up what 4/3 really meant (sad, but true). Not too long ago, I saw a visual comparison of ~I think~ sensor sizes and the actual image that is captured - and I was disappointed in how much is ah... cropped out by using the 4/3 system. So I can see why that might not be so appealing to a professional photog. I have to go back and read why someone would think a full-frame system would be a disadvantage too.
Originally posted by Simms:
Also, since starting up Phototeach we have had many many photographers pass through our doors, and I think we have seen a 50/50 split between Canon and Nikon, with only one Sony being used a few weeks back. The other systems just don`t get a look in. |
I don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying that Oly is not good enough for Phototeach? :D
Originally posted by Simms:
Olympus, Sony, Sigma etc. will have to make some real advances to compete with the big boys. If I had to say who had the best chance I would probably say Sony. Then again, with some clever marketing and high-profile users on board maybe one of them can rise to the challenge. But I doubt it will be Olympus with the 4/3 system. Just my opinion and we all know what thats worth on this site! |
I've heard that Olympus is going to start shifting their focus more to the micro 4/3 system. So if that is true, they might actually be agreeing with what you say above.
I always find it funny that people consider Olympus to be this other camera since most only talk about Canikon. It's really not a bad system to use. But then again, I'm not using my camera for my career.
I dunno - I like the challenge of using something that is not the "popular" brand. Maybe I'll go somewhere with it some day.
ooh off to take a quick homecoming dance pic... someone likes my camera - "it takes good pictures" :D |
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10/09/2010 06:03:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by Simms:
Also, since starting up Phototeach we have had many many photographers pass through our doors, and I think we have seen a 50/50 split between Canon and Nikon, with only one Sony being used a few weeks back. The other systems just don`t get a look in. |
I don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying that Oly is not good enough for Phototeach? :D
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I`m saying no one seems to use these lesser known brands - it seems that not many people consider going that route at all - when people ask me what camera should they get its always "Should I get a Canon or a Nikon", no one has ever said, "Should I get Olympus or Sony?" - maybe its a marketing issue that the other brands need to address.
Look, I am not saying that Olympus/Pentax etc are shit - and they are probably really nice cameras to use - I mean, in camera IS seems a brilliant concept - and I understand why Canon/Nikon havent adopted it as it would bite into the sales of their IS lenses - but the smaller sensors of the 4/3s system will ALWAYS be inferior to APS-C or Full Frame.
FYI
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10/09/2010 06:25:13 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Look, I am not saying that Olympus/Pentax etc are shit - and they are probably really nice cameras to use - I mean, in camera IS seems a brilliant concept - and I understand why Canon/Nikon havent adopted it as it would bite into the sales of their IS lenses - but the smaller sensors of the 4/3s system will ALWAYS be inferior to APS-C or Full Frame. |
lol I didn't think that you were calling the brand shit, I was kidding around (and I really did have to run off and take a pre-dance pic). I wouldn't care what people think about the brand anyway - I just want them to be awed by my photography skillz :D
the graphic is similar to the one I mentioned, but there was an image in the background - and that was kind of what hammered it home for me about how much this camera is missing.
fwiw - when people tell me that they want a camera like mine because it takes good pictures (and I am not kidding when I say that) - i tell them to consider canon or nikon. |
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10/09/2010 07:34:16 PM · #33 |
I like the olympus cameras because you can use some good old lenses without modification or adaptors with glass elements and still allows focus to infinity. This give you the option to get some of the best of the older glass made for practically nothing. yeah there's better glass being made now but you have to spend so much more for it. I found some of my best lenses really cheap. Once i bought a camera "set" thru Ebay for $75, it included 5 lenses and a great old minolta film camera and a bag (which I still use). One of the lenses was the 50mm f1.2 that I use often. Most of the lenses i have i bought for under $15. I think it's just fun to be able to experiment with so many different lenses without spending a fortune.
For me my limited budget dictates that i play this way but i'm finding it very satisfying nonetheless.
I've been saving for a camera upgrade though and have considered switching to another maker (nikon maybe) but when i saw what the E-5 has, and considering the collection of lenses that I have already I may consider the E-5. It's such a big expense for me so i may wait for a price drop before getting one. |
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10/09/2010 10:16:02 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
One of the lenses was the 50mm f1.2 that I use often. Most of the lenses i have i bought for under $15. I think it's just fun to be able to experiment with so many different lenses without spending a fortune.
For me my limited budget dictates that i play this way but i'm finding it very satisfying nonetheless.
I've been saving for a camera upgrade though and have considered switching to another maker (nikon maybe) but when i saw what the E-5 has, and considering the collection of lenses that I have already I may consider the E-5. It's such a big expense for me so i may wait for a price drop before getting one. |
I'm not switching because of all the lenses I have either. I want to get more OM lenses. I found this today: flickr link
and he's using a OM 55 1.2. I thought i'd try and get one but ahhh no... too expensive. Can you get bokeh like that with yours? I'm gonna try and take some fall shots with my OM 50 to see if I can get close to the flickr shot. |
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10/12/2010 02:32:07 PM · #35 |
| Is there a release date yet? |
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10/12/2010 06:01:33 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by briantammy:
One of the lenses was the 50mm f1.2 that I use often. Most of the lenses i have i bought for under $15. I think it's just fun to be able to experiment with so many different lenses without spending a fortune.
For me my limited budget dictates that i play this way but i'm finding it very satisfying nonetheless.
I've been saving for a camera upgrade though and have considered switching to another maker (nikon maybe) but when i saw what the E-5 has, and considering the collection of lenses that I have already I may consider the E-5. It's such a big expense for me so i may wait for a price drop before getting one. |
I'm not switching because of all the lenses I have either. I want to get more OM lenses. I found this today: flickr link
and he's using a OM 55 1.2. I thought i'd try and get one but ahhh no... too expensive. Can you get bokeh like that with yours? I'm gonna try and take some fall shots with my OM 50 to see if I can get close to the flickr shot. |
Me too, tomorrow. Hope there's some sun. I'll use my 50mm 1.4, great bokeh lens. |
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11/15/2010 01:34:48 AM · #37 |
FotoMagazin
//www.fotomagazin.de/test_technik/kamerabestenliste/index.php?kamerakategorie=2966
Take a look at the E-5's placement in their camera rankings, 50% IQ, the rest from features, ergonomics etc, you'll only have to go down to third place to find it, with the d3s and 1diV being the only cameras placed higher.
That's putting the E-5 squarely amongst the very best digital cameras, all of a sudden it looks cheap...
Popular Photography
At all sensitivity levels save their shared maximum of ISO 6400, this Olympus had lower noise than the D300s—which says a lot, given that Nikon has been a league leader in noise control in recent years. Both the E-5 and the Nikon D300s had Unacceptable noise levels in our test at ISO 6400, though Canon’s 7D managed to keep noise in the acceptable range at ISO 6400. Still, the E-5 outper- formed the Canon in noise control from ISO 100 through ISO 1600.
That said, the E-5̢۪s AF proved faster than that of the EOS 7D and the D300s from EV 12, the brightest part of our test, through EV 6, which is about the light level of a well-lit kitchen.
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Along side this they also tested the 14-35 f2 - and this is why, as some one asked me earlier in the thread, would I still buy in to this system...users of other systems are simply missing out here. L glass, don't know what the fuss is about ;)
On our optical bench in the Popular Photography Test Lab, it produced uniformly Excellent-range sharpness and contrast— a slightly better performance than the Canon, Nikon, and Sigma 24–70mm f/2.8 full- framers. Among recently tested glass, the Zuiko took a back seat only to Sony’s 24–70mm f/2.8, a Carl Zeiss design. In DxO Analyzer 3.2 tests of distortion control, its numbers were stellar: Visible-range bar- reling at 14mm (0.34%) that compared very favorably to the Canon’s 1.7% Very Visible barrel distortion at 24mm. The Imperceptible pincushioning at 25mm and 35mm (0.04% and 0.03%, respectively) were remarkable and a tribute to Olympus’ nearly unsurpassed optical expertise.
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11/15/2010 04:18:06 AM · #38 |
| While I am admittedly a Nikon user, don't you find it a wee rash to gloat about ISO tests against a camera that is 1.3 years old, what with Moore's law and all? I'm not discounting the merits of the camera... but really... what do you expect? If it didn't best these, I would say it's total rubbish...it would mean they're debuting a camera that is obsolete to old technology that is non-pro. |
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11/15/2010 04:42:29 PM · #39 |
It's comparing products on a similar price level I think.
As for no pros using Olympus... David Bailey?
//www.mikebunnphotographer.com/3-gallery.htm
//www.lourenssmak.com/website/Portfolio.html
//www.paulgheyle.be/
//www.mortenhvaal.com/mortenhvaal.com/mortenhvaal.com.html
And so on... |
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11/15/2010 04:58:43 PM · #40 |
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11/17/2010 08:29:56 PM · #41 |
//www.gsnowdon.com/blog/2010/11/olympus-e-5-review/
Some really superb images there. |
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11/22/2010 06:24:07 PM · #42 |
Here we go.
www.ephotozine.com/article/Olympus-E5-15076
EPhotozine review.
I respect this website a lot.
"the quality of construction is there and the finish of both body and lens is impeccable."
"The body sculpture fits the hand well and the distribution of buttons does not interfere with the grip. It is as good as any other arrangement and after a few hours shooting soon becomes familiar and effective. Interestingly, Olympus provide a sensor plane indicator mark on the side of the pentaprism, giving further clues that they are at heart a traditionally photographic company."
"In terms of exposure, the camera is not susceptible to errors from bright light sources and backlighting. It performs exceptionally well in this respect. It does have a tendency though to make slightly light exposures. There is little or no clipping and the histogram distribution is good, but I find myself routinely dialling in -0.3 to -0.7 EV exposure compensation. As this is entirely predictable it is not a problem. Photographers can compensate and adjust to taste.
It does mean though that very dark subjects need more compensation every time if they are not to be reproduced as a light grey. For very dark subjects at least -1 EV seems necessary to maintain a realistic tonal range that reflects the scene as viewed.
Exposure also depends upon the metering pattern used and with the E-5 both ESP and Centre Weighted metering patterns seem to give all but identical results. Spot metering is equally accurate for those who know how to use it to advantage. The highlight and shadow metering patterns also do the job, but need to be properly understood. Whatever metering pattern is chosen, the end result is accurate, making this an effective metering system."
"Focusing in all modes is crisp, fast and accurate. Very impressively, the camera seems able to focus upon almost featureless dark subjects with the same snap as more normal ones. Smooth blue surfaces eventually foxed the system, but it is not easy to defeat."
"The dynamic range of the sensor is not a problem. Highlights and shadows are recorded with detail over a surprisingly wide range. The camera recorded the detail beneath a dark bridge and the detail in distant brightly lit foliage with little difficulty. This is one area of camera performance that these days seems extremely well managed."
"Olympus E-5: Verdict
If this is the last of the mirror type DSLRs in the Four Thirds range that will be a great pity. Olympus have a finely made product that delivers exceptionally good results. Does the smaller sensor compromise quality? Not in the E-5, that's quite clear. We cannot expect ultra-high ISO performance, but that is not the major function of this camera. We have a professional quality tool that can help us make top quality images.
This does not come cheap. £1500 for the body and maybe £750 for the lens is no small amount, but that may well be what this sort of heavy, solid manufacture actually costs. There is not the vast backup of the major systems and not the widest array of lenses, but there is enough to satisfy the advanced amateur. The 2x crop factor means fast long lenses are available and the camera is responsive enough to make them viable in the field.
For Olympus and other Four Thirds users this may well be the camera of choice, for other users the cost and limited range of lenses is unlikely to mean a change of system. But it is a very, very good product." |
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02/03/2011 10:52:25 PM · #43 |
hmmmmm
The conclusion starts out thusly:
"Judged purely on its own merits the E-5 is a good and capable camera in most situations. But is it good enough to warrant swapping systems from Canon, Nikon, Pentax or Sony to Olympus? Or good enough that an uncommitted photographer wanting to get into DSLR photography for the first time might choose the E-5 over competitive offerings? Sadly, our answer to both questions has to be 'no'."
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse5/page14.asp
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02/03/2011 11:38:17 PM · #44 |
//forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=32453023
it makes absolutely no sense to say that 4/3 is useless for pros. Unless someone is shooting for giant sized prints it is fine. And if they are they will probably be using a phase one back.
Message edited by author 2011-02-03 23:42:29. |
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02/03/2011 11:40:16 PM · #45 |
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02/04/2011 01:10:00 AM · #46 |
I haven't looked into the viewfinder on a 4/3 camera yet. I can tell a lot of difference in the view between a full frame and APS-C viewfinders, and wonder if the view is even smaller and darker in the 4/3 sensor ones with their dedicated lenses?
I can see where a lot of people would like the "lighter and smaller, capable of doing well enough" things about the Oly system.
They are not for me. My hands feel sort of oversized even for the Nikon D7K.
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02/15/2011 05:33:42 PM · #47 |
| The E-5 coupled with the high grade zuiko glass is perfect for low light shooting. It's as simple as that really. If you want to shoot ISO 12 million buy a D3, but many of the reviews has shown with a modest 12 million pixel count, the detail resolved is simply off the scale (see DPreview, the sharpness went far beyond their measured data) at normal ISOs. |
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04/06/2011 08:02:27 PM · #48 |
Photography Monthly Magazine.
The review was done by a professional photographer, a Canon user, who said for 25 years he hasn't touched another camera system.
He shoots with the E-5 at events for the magazine, alongside his usual 1d MKIV.
'Straight out of the box, the magnesium alloy body feels very solid. It has controls and dials laid out in a similar way to a high-end pro body, with weather and dust resistant buttons that are almost all self-explanatory and no dials to wear out'
'Used on the road in a variety of locations and photographing a mixture of subjects, the E-5 performed very well on all occasions. I was particularly impressed by its focusing accuracy under poor lighting conditions. '
'The camera has two memory card slots and a lithium-ion battery that doesn't ever seem to need charging'
'Priced at around £1,500 (body only), the Olympus is up against some serious competition from Canon and Nikon in this price bracket. It hasn't tempted a complete change of camera system, but it does offer a genuine alternative to the traditional big two, with similar build and definitely similar image quality.' |
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