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 12/23/2002 07:34:29 AM · #26
I think the image is in very poor taste. I DON'T WANT TO SEE CHEAP NUDITY IMAGES DONE IN POOR TASTE. All of the previous images of nudity were artful and done in good taste. There is no comparison, this is not art. Get it out of here! It degrades this website.

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12/23/2002 07:40:30 AM · #27
I think the shot was actually quite funny. I told the author I thought it would make a great e-mail to send friends, but that that kind of nudity (genital) does not belong on this site. I gave the shot a 1 in case it survives my DQ request. I really don't want to see this shot create a precedent. What's next. Gladys the smiling vagina? :)

Still gave me the chuckles. I've been humming I Saw Mommy Kissing Sanata Claus all morning.
 12/23/2002 07:46:55 AM · #28
Originally posted by Jacko:
I think the shot was actually quite funny. ....I thought it would make a great e-mail to send friends, but that that kind of nudity (genital) does not belong on this site.


Me2.
 12/23/2002 07:56:53 AM · #29
A certain lack of refinement, I must admit, but what a stirrup! I call this a tempest in a glass of water.
 12/23/2002 08:41:21 AM · #30
I don't think someones art should ever be judged by someone elses perception of morality.

Message edited by author 2002-12-23 11:46:42.
 12/23/2002 09:04:46 AM · #31
Was I surprised to see this in the members challenge but I think it is really funny, definitely not art but makes me laugh! As a woman it doesn`t offend me and there are much worse things children can see on TV, even on the news. OK, it is a cheap shot but if anyone, he is degrading himself more than anyone else!
 12/23/2002 09:10:41 AM · #32
This is certainly a controversial question. There is a very thin line between pornography and art when it comes to the human body. This argument has been going on for many years. In fact, recently in the news, several well-known and highly respected art galleries in both Canada and the USA have changed their exhibit policies in order to avoid criminal charges and legal actions under the newly invoked child pornography laws.

In broadcasting, we have struggled with this problem for years too. It seems that there is no way to please everyone. The concern for forced censorship has actually been a much bigger issue, sometimes outweighing the images that started an initial debate on the subject in the first place.

There has always been a view in the broadcasting business that the viewer always has the final say, they can turn off the TV. Maybe, this view is relevant here too – turn off the computer? I found the images unacceptable and very shocking as well, since we do have younger members involved. I made my own view known by voting appropriately. But, I cannot agree with censorship.

Often, I view the DPC pictures at work. In the past, I have been embarrassed when coworkers have seen some of the winning images (7 Deadly Sins) on my screen that are not suitable for the workplace. Needless to say, this will be one that will not hit my desktop at the office.

Previously, I was very concerned about the voyeur-style images found in the Candid Challenge (“Wash” and “After the Shower”). It should not be acceptable if these images were taken without the subject’s full knowledge and agreement for publication. But then, this may be another squabble for another day?

Bottom line – it is better that we self regulate the site, then to have the site regulated for us. That seems to be the current view of the site owners, so let’s all wait to learn how they and the council, act or react to this question.
12/23/2002 09:19:36 AM · #33
Morgan - "After a Shower" was my photo. It was a self portrait, taken with the timer while I was getting dressed after a shower. You have no need to worry on that account.
 12/23/2002 09:23:02 AM · #34
You're right Morgan, we as the viewer have the final say. If we don't like what we see here, we can turn it off and go elsewhere.
 12/23/2002 09:48:04 AM · #35
Originally posted by lisae:
Morgan - "After a Shower" was my photo. It was a self portrait, taken with the timer while I was getting dressed after a shower. You have no need to worry on that account.


Lisa, good to hear. I just returned to the details of your image and read the description. Perhaps, I should have done this before I mention it, my mistake, many apologizes. Mea Culpa. By the way, it was a very bold image.

My point was that the candid challenge might have intruded on people's privacy. Maybe not just in controversial situations, such as nudity, but may have even included the shots of the street people and others in that challenge. Even the incredible shot that won the day may be subject to this same question.
12/23/2002 09:58:17 AM · #36
This is exactly what Heather tried to stop from happening in the beginning of this thread... the discussion of a particular photo... even in 'theory'. Discussing the issue is fine, but pointing out particulars, whether everyone knows or thinks they know which photo is being discussed or not crosses the line.

*posted without having read page 2 ... so this is in response to those posts discussing the photo not the issue*


Message edited by author 2002-12-23 09:59:34.
 12/23/2002 10:07:48 AM · #37
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
This is exactly what Heather tried to stop from happening in the beginning of this thread... the discussion of a particular photo... even in 'theory'. Discussing the issue is fine, but pointing out particulars, whether everyone knows or thinks they know which photo is being discussed or not crosses the line.

*posted without having read page 2 ... so this is in response to those posts discussing the photo not the issue*


then i ask you how everyone jumped to the conclusion that we were talking about a certain shot? it's because everyone knows the shot is ludicrous and it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize offensive material.

and another thing, all you women talking about how we need to be fair would be up in arms if there was a vagina shot that looked like santa claus or mrs. claus it is may be. you would talk about how that woman was setting back your radical feminist agendas by degrading the woman's eternal struggle for equality and all that blah blah. it's just sick, and there is no need for it here. if it isn't talked about publically, people will feel even more comfortable going even further with this crap in the future. my original point wasn't censorship, it had to do with my respect for this site, and how that respect was seriously hurt when i saw that photo pop up in a challenge.
 12/23/2002 10:07:49 AM · #38
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
This is exactly what Heather tried to stop from happening in the beginning of this thread... the discussion of a particular photo... even in 'theory'. Discussing the issue is fine, but pointing out particulars, whether everyone knows or thinks they know which photo is being discussed or not crosses the line.

*posted without having read page 2 ... so this is in response to those posts discussing the photo not the issue*


Karen, do you mean never discussing ANY photos? I thought that we were just not to discuss specific images in “current challenges” in order to avoid affecting the voting? Again, I apologize if we are never to discuss all photos from the past challenges, as I was not aware that was the actual intent. Thanks for pointing it out; I will make sure not to do it again. Michael
 12/23/2002 10:16:00 AM · #39
No.. sorry.. I meant in a current challenge. I believe that is what we were discussing here. I am not referring to a reference to any photos discussed here from a previous challenge.. only current.
Sorry for the confusion.
 12/23/2002 10:26:06 AM · #40
Here was my "nude" outtake, and decided not to submit it as a matter of taste, and that I really din't think it to be a good photo, although funny. It's my hubby's armpit...with a twist.
my "nude" outtake
 12/23/2002 10:42:11 AM · #41
Originally posted by kandyj:
Here was my "nude" outtake, and decided not to submit it as a matter of taste, and that I really din't think it to be a good photo, although funny. It's my hubby's armpit...with a twist.
my "nude" outtake


what is wrong with you people
 12/23/2002 11:04:59 AM · #42
Originally posted by achiral:

and another thing, all you women talking about how we need to be fair would be up in arms if there was a vagina shot that looked like santa claus or mrs. claus it is may be. you would talk about how that woman was setting back your radical feminist agendas by degrading the woman's eternal struggle for equality and all that blah blah.


I don't get this at all. I've seen lots of beautiful works of art based around the female genitalia. It's actually a very aesthetically pleasing thing, with those delicate folds of skin. I don't understand why you would think any of the women in this discussion are radical feminists... have we ever given you any reason to say that? But anyway, most feminists embrace their bodies and would have no problems with a photo like that. Degrading, pornographic images are very different to artistic explorations of nudity, even if it's full frontal or focusses on genitalia. That's just nudity. It isn't degrading.
 12/23/2002 11:05:27 AM · #43
Why are people always trying to force their opinion on others?
Achiral, you said that the photo was distasteful. But that's your taste. You also said it's not art. But that's your interpretation of art.
I respect your opinion but I'm really getting angry that people always ask for disqualification and censorship because they personally dislike the content.

To support my point I'll post a quote I really like and I think fits perfectly to this "issue" (and because it always sounds so wise to cite quotes ;-)):

"The chief enemy of creativity is 'good' taste." -- Pablo Picasso
 12/23/2002 11:13:46 AM · #44
If personal attacks continue, this thread will be hidden...
 12/23/2002 11:28:20 AM · #45
Anybody notice the role reversal here? The men (by and large) are doing the complaining, and the women (mostly) are saying, "Relax, it's cute."

Guess it just depends on whose ox is being gored...

Personally, I thought it was better than booger cam.
 12/23/2002 11:38:56 AM · #46
Wow, talk about being torn on an issue. I am so anti-censorship, but at the same time I really think that the photo stirring up all this controversy is ridiculous.

Who here remembers 'Piss Christ' and all that Mapplethorpe hoopla? At least their work was techniocally strong... even though I gagged at several Mapplethorpe photos (see his self portrait, ack!).

But without trying to influence those who are able to vote, since I am not a member, lt's just say that I don't think Mapplethorpe is making a cameo.

:-P
 12/23/2002 12:05:43 PM · #47
im anti-censorship, too. I have submitted at least 2 risque photos to this site ; ) ...

but i dont think that shot fits DPC. Any more than a big,closeup of a vagina with a false beard on -- or something similar -- would.



Message edited by author 2002-12-23 21:54:14.
 12/23/2002 12:09:26 PM · #48
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
If personal attacks continue, this thread will be hidden...

I'm not sure if this is in response to my posting. I didn't mean to personally _attack_ achiral. I just wanted to respond to him specifically because he started the thread. I have nothing against him personally, I just disagree with one of his opinions ;-) But sometimes my english (not my native language) sounds crude and harsher than I want to.
 12/23/2002 12:13:17 PM · #49
The photo in question here has accomplished its goal of creating a controversy. Whoever submitted this photo is laughing at everyone here and making a mockery of the site.

Our rules on this issue do not disallow this photograph so i think it should stand as is and let the voter decide what to do with it.

I think it's unfair to diqualify a photograph, regardless of what it is, based on an unwritten rule. This photo could be used to design a new rule that would become effective next week.

12/23/2002 12:22:47 PM · #50
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The photo in question here has accomplished its goal of creating a controversy. Whoever submitted this photo is laughing at everyone here and making a mockery of the site.

Our rules on this issue do not disallow this photograph so i think it should stand as is and let the voter decide what to do with it.

I think it's unfair to diqualify a photograph, regardless of what it is, based on an unwritten rule. This photo could be used to design a new rule that would become effective next week.

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