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06/23/2004 02:35:28 AM · #1 |
| I used to work at a newspaper and of course making catchy headlines that attract attention was one of the challenges of the job. I've noticed that some of the headlines are pretty weak and it is actually affecting the way I am voting. My question is should I continue voting? I usually don't put too much into a title but a challenge like this makes me think I should. So far I have only voted on 2 photos and commented on 1 which I am hoping will take the blue ribbon. I don't have a photo entered so whether I continue voting or not really doesn't affect me. If people find this unfair that I rate photos based on titles as well I will sit out on voting. I know this sounds like a strange request but what all do you think? |
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06/23/2004 02:40:36 AM · #2 |
I'm struggling with this myself. I think in this case the title is important.
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06/23/2004 02:40:38 AM · #3 |
I'm voting (and commenting) based on both the title and photo. A strong photo and weak headline will score maybe a 6. A weak headline and weak photo a 4. A strong photo and strong headline a 7 or 8. You get the idea.
The challenge specifically states the title so I think it should be included in your voting.
Message edited by author 2004-06-23 02:41:11. |
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06/23/2004 02:53:54 AM · #4 |
| Yes but isn't this a photography contest after all? In a newspaper is usualy not the photographer that writes the headlines. I think if I see a good shot with a poorer headline, it goes for me. Especially for some of us, the non english speakers coming up with a smart headline in english is a double challenge. |
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06/23/2004 02:56:15 AM · #5 |
I think the title should play a small role in the judging, but not a very large one. In many cases title's can me imparitive to the image, and other times they can take away from it.
A photographer has to learn how to title their images, but in this case I don't think they should drop from an 8 to a 5 for a bad title.
Lee
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06/23/2004 03:00:17 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Yes but isn't this a photography contest after all? In a newspaper is usualy not the photographer that writes the headlines. I think if I see a good shot with a poorer headline, it goes for me. Especially for some of us, the non english speakers coming up with a smart headline in english is a double challenge. |
Ok so should a vote or not? Because for me the headline does matter? I just want to be fair. |
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06/23/2004 03:08:03 AM · #7 |
I'd say vote. One vote in hundreds isn't going to make or break anyone (for the most part).
While Frumoaznicul brings up a good point about language barriers, I think the headline should still be part of a vote. That's my interpretation of the challenge though.
Lee also brings up a good point, it shouldn't be worth too much in your vote. |
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06/23/2004 03:09:43 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Yes but isn't this a photography contest after all? In a newspaper is usualy not the photographer that writes the headlines. I think if I see a good shot with a poorer headline, it goes for me. Especially for some of us, the non english speakers coming up with a smart headline in english is a double challenge. |
Ok so should a vote or not? Because for me the headline does matter? I just want to be fair. |
:) You do how you please, I'm just telling you how I do. Even if the current challenge says that the title should be the headline I still look at it as a purely photography contest, and the title if it manages to somehow explain what's going on in the shot, or make me curious to read the "article" that's good for me. Again I'm telling you there are many photographers like me here who struggles with english and we may of made some severe gramatical mistakes in that title, but should that really count in a photography contest? |
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06/23/2004 03:10:50 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Ok so should a vote or not? Because for me the headline does matter? I just want to be fair. |
Sure you should vote! As long as you apply the same standards criteria to all of the photos in the challenge, it's not a problem. |
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06/23/2004 05:29:45 AM · #10 |
i am suffering from the same problem. As a journalist i find myself getting distracted by bad headlines, but -also because of this thread- i am trying to be very aware of it. Not being a native-english speaker myself, i know how hard it can be.
For me, a bad headline won't (or at least shouldn't) lower the score, but a great headline can lift it up a point. |
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06/23/2004 06:10:27 AM · #11 |
| I just wanted to bring up a point... If at first you think the photo isn't newspaper related, check to see if it would fit in a different section of a newspaper. Such as arts / entertainment; family; home / garden... etc etc. |
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06/23/2004 10:10:44 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Ok so should a vote or not? Because for me the headline does matter? I just want to be fair. |
Sure you should vote! As long as you apply the same standards criteria to all of the photos in the challenge, it's not a problem. |
Excellent point. I started to vote last night, and quickly came to realize that this challenge seemed a little different to me also. It seems like the title (since it is specifically talked about in the challenge description) should weigh a little heavier than normally. I also am thinking that as I view the shot -- this maybe a really great photo, but does it look like something that would appear in a paper? Hmmm??? Anyway I decided to stop voting and put some thought into my criteria for this round.
I am glad to see this thread started and to know others are experiencing similar feelings. Good food for thought here.
Also,jadin, good point about taking into account different sections of a newspaper.
Man, just when I thought I was developing a good standard/methods for my voting... :-) Way to keep me on my toes dpc. ;-)
Message edited by author 2004-06-23 10:12:25.
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06/23/2004 10:24:52 AM · #13 |
I started with this headline
Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attacks Inflated Ego, Town Rejoices
but changed it :) |
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06/23/2004 10:26:50 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Seanachai:
I started with this headline
Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attacks Inflated Ego, Town Rejoices
but changed it :) |
ROFLMAO! ;o)
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06/23/2004 10:36:26 AM · #15 |
Since when can great photos not be in the newspaper? Like I said before the voting began, we can't all be on the scene of a crime in the same week. Creativity is supposed to be fostered on this site, and many voters don't seem willing to think about the pictures for onger than a second.
BTW-jadin, I'm suprised to hear you saying that we should look for other sections of the newspaper, "I just wanted to bring up a point... If at first you think the photo isn't newspaper related, check to see if it would fit in a different section of a newspaper. Such as arts / entertainment; family; home / garden... etc etc."
since you have voted low for an image that was actually printed in a non-front-page section of the paper recently. Not that you aren't entitled to your opinion when voting, but don't comment from both sides of the issue, take your own advice.
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06/23/2004 10:50:24 AM · #16 |
I am still struggling a bit. Decided not to judge whether the line is good or bad, but i DO judge if the line fits the picture (i noticed others did that as well in the comments I got) and if the picture has "newspaper quality". I don't mean by the way that the picture has to be extremely good or newsworthy, but it has to have some appeal to draw you to reading the article. There are some very nice pictures out there that are great works of art, but would never work in a newspaper.
Off course we can't all find the big news-facts, but I've seen some really good "not-news" pictures that would do great on a background article. I think one of the main purposes of a newspaper picture is to evoke either your curiosity or a strong emotion like surprise, anger, laughing etc. It has to work as a headline itself.
(i must shamefully admit that my own picture wouldn't score high in my own standards, luckily so far a lot of people disagree with me on that one) |
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06/23/2004 11:08:45 AM · #17 |
| I know that other photos are in other sections and I take that into consideration. I have to admit though I have seen a small few that I don't think I would see in the newspaper. Anyways, I'm going to vote on this challenge and I am going to vote on the qualities of the photo first and the headline second or at least try to. |
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06/23/2004 12:58:46 PM · #18 |
I think in this instance - the title does impact my judgement of the photo - but I still try to rate the photo more on its own merits.
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