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06/22/2004 08:16:27 PM · #1 |
Sorry if this has already been suggested, but I think it would be a good idea to require that a comment be entered in order to vote "1" (or maybe also for 2 or 3).
It would discourage mean voters from giving out too many 1's, and would greatly help those who need the most help. |
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06/22/2004 08:18:15 PM · #2 |
| I think that is a very good idea. It would be great if they could make this required. :) |
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06/22/2004 08:19:27 PM · #3 |
I think we should also require comments on votes of 10,9 and 8 then and have them open to public debate.
After all, don't want anyone voting out of the ordinary or feeling like they can give their honest opinion without having to defend it in public.
Perhaps we should just make the voting scale run from 4 to 7 ?
The 'justification' for a 1 is 'I think this is a bad shot' Does that help to make it required ?
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 20:20:34.
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06/22/2004 08:22:01 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by postoakinversion:
Sorry if this has already been suggested, but I think it would be a good idea to require that a comment be entered in order to vote "1" (or maybe also for 2 or 3).
It would discourage mean voters from giving out too many 1's, and would greatly help those who need the most help. |
if that's the case, why should voters be allowed to give a 10 without a comment? 8 & 9 too ?? what we are asking for is a valid reason, isn't it? |
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06/22/2004 08:29:23 PM · #5 |
I gave out lots of 1's in the Desaturation Challenge. And for every one of the them I give a comment. Now people are all honked off about the honest apprasial of their dismal submission of poor photographic skills ........
.........so, how would you like the bad news that your picture either didn't meet the challenge requiremnts, had no imagination, was a terrible composition, and showed a total lack of creativity? Which is what a 1 really is.
Is a simple 1 ok or do you prefer the words? |
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06/22/2004 08:43:46 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I gave out lots of 1's in the Desaturation Challenge. And for every one of the them I give a comment. Now people are all honked off about the honest apprasial of their dismal submission of poor photographic skills ........
.........so, how would you like the bad news that your picture either didn't meet the challenge requiremnts, had no imagination, was a terrible composition, and showed a total lack of creativity? Which is what a 1 really is.
Is a simple 1 ok or do you prefer the words? |
AHEM AHEM!
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 20:45:30. |
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06/22/2004 08:54:30 PM · #7 |
I agree with all of these and I think they are great ideas, but I wish that I knew what the commenter voted me. Dpchallenge probably wont change to make one person happy, but maybe voters should say what they voted when they leave a comment.
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06/22/2004 09:06:13 PM · #8 |
I think comments with voting 1 and 10 is maybe ok, but not 2,3,8 & 9, that would cause many people stop voting with that numbers, it takes a lot of time voting all of the photos. If I would have to comment on each photo I give 1,2,3,8,9 & 10, then that would be just to much!
If I take the "Choises" challenge for an example, I would have had to comment on over 100 photos! |
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06/22/2004 09:21:15 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Perhaps we should just make the voting scale run from 4 to 7 ?
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Yup, that's what would happen, for me, anyway. I won't use the numbers that have a 'compulsory comment' requirement. What is this, fascism?
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 21:21:57.
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06/22/2004 09:22:35 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
What is this, fascism? |
attaboyism
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06/22/2004 09:48:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I gave out lots of 1's how would you like the bad news that your picture either didn't meet the challenge requiremnts, had no imagination, was a terrible composition, and showed a total lack of creativity? Which is what a 1 really is. |
I think a vote of 1 is not supposed to be "either" bad concept or bad composition any more than a 10 is supposed to be "either" good concept or good composition. A 10 is for a shot that has it all, and couldn't be better, and a 1 is supposed to be reserved for a shot that has nothing good about it, as in didn't meet the challenge,has no imagination, is a terrible composition, and shows a total lack of creativity. As they used to say on multiple choice tests, "e. all of the above". If it has any part that works at all, it aint a 1
If you find yourslf thinking that everyone else has missed the point, when you find yourself beliving that everyone else is wrong, you might want to concider that you are the one who is missing a peice or two of the puzzle. Such thinking might seem wimpy to some, but if we had employed it before we went into Iraq............
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06/22/2004 10:11:22 PM · #12 |
The force people to leave a comment if they vote a 1 would never work at all. I agree people should, big time, but it is not at all practical.
Rather thasn give a 1 and leave a comment people would simply give it a 2 and avoid it, and thus stay anonymous as well. That then disadvantages the better shots.
Force a comment for a 10, for instance.
Sure, you'll get lots of comment .. "great", "neat", "wow" .... most of which will be useless.
I would much rather people only leave comments when they wish to, as that way the comments left will actually have value, rather than something people are literally forced to do.
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06/22/2004 10:21:31 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I gave out lots of 1's in the Desaturation Challenge. And for every one of the them I give a comment. Now people are all honked off about the honest apprasial of their dismal submission of poor photographic skills ........
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Hmmm. I follwed that long thread and I don't see it that way at all. My take is that the ones who were, as you say, "honked off" - were the ones that received inapproprriate comments about the photographer rather than the photograph.
BTW - the comment you made on mine was factual and well worded. I don't agree with you - but it still helped me understand how people react to my submission.
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06/22/2004 10:27:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I gave out lots of 1's how would you like the bad news that your picture either didn't meet the challenge requiremnts, had no imagination, was a terrible composition, and showed a total lack of creativity? Which is what a 1 really is. |
I think a vote of 1 is not supposed to be "either" bad concept or bad composition any more than a 10 is supposed to be "either" good concept or good composition. A 10 is for a shot that has it all, and couldn't be better, and a 1 is supposed to be reserved for a shot that has nothing good about it, as in didn't meet the challenge,has no imagination, is a terrible composition, and shows a total lack of creativity. As they used to say on multiple choice tests, "e. all of the above". If it has any part that works at all, it aint a 1
If you find yourslf thinking that everyone else has missed the point, when you find yourself beliving that everyone else is wrong, you might want to concider that you are the one who is missing a peice or two of the puzzle. Such thinking might seem wimpy to some, but if we had employed it before we went into Iraq............ |
Boy did you say it. -- When you think everyone else is wrong - you should look at yourself and say -- did I get it? --
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06/22/2004 10:48:13 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Such thinking might seem wimpy to some, but if we had employed it before we went into Iraq............ |
There would still be a middle-eastern tyrant in power, torturing and killing his own people?
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06/23/2004 01:25:09 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Such thinking might seem wimpy to some, but if we had employed it before we went into Iraq............ |
There would still be a middle-eastern tyrant in power, torturing and killing his own people? |
Yes, I'm sure they much prefer us doing that. :( |
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06/23/2004 01:42:22 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I gave out lots of 1's how would you like the bad news that your picture either didn't meet the challenge requiremnts, had no imagination, was a terrible composition, and showed a total lack of creativity? Which is what a 1 really is. |
I think a vote of 1 is not supposed to be "either" bad concept or bad composition any more than a 10 is supposed to be "either" good concept or good composition. A 10 is for a shot that has it all, and couldn't be better, and a 1 is supposed to be reserved for a shot that has nothing good about it, as in didn't meet the challenge,has no imagination, is a terrible composition, and shows a total lack of creativity. As they used to say on multiple choice tests, "e. all of the above". If it has any part that works at all, it aint a 1 |
Well said. |
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06/23/2004 05:19:08 AM · #18 |
This may be controversial, but I'm not as much concerned about comments on pictures that I score 1's or 2's on nor am I concerned about pictures I score 9's or 10's on. Most of us know when we look at those pictures why they score the way they do. The pictures that to me score 4-7 I think deserve more comments. These are pictures that people really tried to do, but for some reason they are missing the extra oomph (for lack of a better word) to make them score highly. These are also the pictures that would with a little help become better with a few comments/suggestions. Pics that score 9 and 10 the comments are almost all praise, "Look how good you and your pic are." The low scoring pics, most of the time have many many many things wrong with them, that for the most part show just a lack of trying to take a halfway decent picture. But I feel for the pictures in the middle of the pack taken by most people who felt that their picture was good, but then get through the voting with a 4.5 and 2 comments. These are the pics I think need people to respond with helpful comments.
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06/23/2004 05:21:16 AM · #19 |
| skief: you do have a good point. (I am one of those guys) |
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06/23/2004 05:27:10 AM · #20 |
| I'm forcing myself to comment on 100% for the newspaper one. I'm finding myself a little tired of commenting :b |
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06/23/2004 05:43:42 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by skief:
This may be controversial, but I'm not as much concerned about comments on pictures that I score 1's or 2's on nor am I concerned about pictures I score 9's or 10's on. Most of us know when we look at those pictures why they score the way they do. The pictures that to me score 4-7 I think deserve more comments. These are pictures that people really tried to do, but for some reason they are missing the extra oomph (for lack of a better word) to make them score highly. These are also the pictures that would with a little help become better with a few comments/suggestions. Pics that score 9 and 10 the comments are almost all praise, "Look how good you and your pic are." The low scoring pics, most of the time have many many many things wrong with them, that for the most part show just a lack of trying to take a halfway decent picture. But I feel for the pictures in the middle of the pack taken by most people who felt that their picture was good, but then get through the voting with a 4.5 and 2 comments. These are the pics I think need people to respond with helpful comments. |
as xion said....a good point! I too am one of these folks ...selective saturation 142 votes, 5.0704 and 1 comment (which I really appreciated!) The comments really do help us to grow :D
I would hate to see the comments made compulsory though as I feel that this would discourage people from voting honestly.
sue |
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06/23/2004 05:51:03 AM · #22 |
Ok...
I have a new camera, I'm new here and I have entered my first challenge and just voted on my second challenge!
My thoughts are that if I got 1-3 I would think I would already know my pic sucked just looking at the other entries but some constructive critism would be appreciated and maybe some encoragement wouldn't hurt. If I got 7-10s I would be stoked and and everyone loves a pat on the back some time.
Like most people I'm here to learn so while most of us are in the mid field it would be great to get a few pointers and if possible a link to tutorial on the area you feel needs some attention (Trained eyes see much more than mine).
As far as me commenting well I do leave a few but I hardly feel that I know enough about photography let alone digital photography to leave any more than a passing comment.
I hope I'm making some sense here...
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06/23/2004 06:02:53 AM · #23 |
I wonder if there should be two scores for each image;
A 'How well does this meet the challenge socre' (or Idea score)
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'How well crafted is this photogrpahy score' (Or an impliminataion score)
Thoughts?
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06/23/2004 08:24:09 AM · #24 |
| Gareth: similar ideas have been proposed in the past. Most recently, in this long, long thread. |
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06/23/2004 09:26:45 AM · #25 |
the forums are getting very repetitive recently, completely new post are getting rare. then again, maybe i've been here too long.
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