The sub-club posting/discussion thread

07/19/2010 07:11:02 AM · #176

So my Weathered II entry didn't do bad but didn't do great and I thought it was solid. It seems it was pretty solid as I had more "6" votes then anything else but nothing special as it finished at a 5.6496

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

FourPointX

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/19/2010 07:15:10 AM · #177

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

07/19/2010 07:19:48 AM · #178

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

I thought about it but I thought the warm colors and deep greens really helped frame the subject. I think perhaps a closer crop. I have a few outtakes at home where I framed the subject much closer and I will post them this evening.

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

07/19/2010 08:44:17 AM · #179

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

I'm going to say the subject matter. It got a 6 from me. Nice and sharp, very effective use of shallow DOF to give it some dimension, good eye leading composition for the most part (Maybe a little too much space at the top that isn't doing anything for the image). It just didn't wow me somehow.

Message edited by author 2010-07-19 08:45:30.

salmiakki

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

07/19/2010 08:49:58 AM · #180

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

Oh, please no. Don't do that. It's gimmicky and over used and seldom improves a shot. I bet it would have scored lower.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

07/19/2010 08:53:31 AM · #181

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

I like that image. I think it's good. I think it's good in colour.
I think what would have made it stand out more would have been if the grave stone was on itself. It might have make the scene look more isolated. Maybe that might be something you might want to suggest with a gravestone shot?
It's hard to say though, because I do like the off straight gravestones. It adds character to the thing.

In short... I don't know :)

PGerst

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/19/2010 09:35:00 AM · #182

Ew....ick.

Selective desaturation is used a little too much. Like a tilted photo, it requires the "right composition" to work.
I know, I know...I need to say more to justify that...later though.

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

07/19/2010 11:29:57 AM · #183

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I will post a few outtakes this evening to see if you think a different composition would of been better, In the end though I feel like it just isn't a "wow" kind of image. It is missing emotion. Just a good photo but nothing that grabs at the viewer. Live and learn. (Still a decent score for me)

FourPointX

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/19/2010 01:06:40 PM · #184

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

Oh, please no. Don't do that. It's gimmicky and over used and seldom improves a shot. I bet it would have scored lower.

while i normally tend to agree with the comment that it is overused...i saw this setup done as the closing sequence of "phantom of the opera" with a full desat except the rose on the tombstone and it was a very powerful image

07/19/2010 01:10:56 PM · #185

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

Originally posted by jminso:

So what do you think? What would make this shot better and really stand out? Or is the subject matter just not that appealing?

did you try a selective desat of everything but the rose?

Oh, please no. Don't do that. It's gimmicky and over used and seldom improves a shot. I bet it would have scored lower.

while i normally tend to agree with the comment that it is overused...i saw this setup done as the closing sequence of "phantom of the opera" with a full desat except the rose on the tombstone and it was a very powerful image

I think that may work with one of the outtakes but not sure it would really add anything to this composition.

07/19/2010 01:51:12 PM · #186

I was going to post the before and after shots and my discussion with

JustCaree about her weathered entry, but she's deleted her earlier shots from her workshop. (Can you repost them for this thread, Caree?)

Here is her entry:

Originally, she had shown me some pics of this monument taken from a few yards away at a standing height. These shots also showed the brick base it was on, and bits of the neighborhood outside the cemetery. They were well exposed and focused, but I also felt the view was somewhat plain and many of the background elements didn't add anything to the image. What I suggested to her was to go back and reshoot, but to get closer, at a low vantage point and use the wide end of her 18-55 lens in order to use the sky as the background. If she could get some poofy clouds in the scene, that would be a plus, but we were on the last day for submission, so the clouds could not be waited on. Turned out she did get some after all.

The end result was that this gave a more dramatic impression of hands praying toward heaven. The crop with all that negative space was her idea, not mine, and it worked way better than the crop I had suggested.

Disclaimer: I tend to prefer strong perspective views, which isn't always to everyone's taste, but I think it was appropriate for this subject.

Message edited by author 2010-07-19 13:52:34.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/19/2010 04:41:26 PM · #187

Here are two other options I was considering for the Weathered II challenge.

and

JustCaree

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

07/19/2010 09:16:04 PM · #188

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I was going to post the before and after shots and my discussion with JustCaree about her weathered entry, but she's deleted her earlier shots from her workshop. (Can you repost them for this thread, Caree?)

Here is her entry:

Originally, she had shown me some pics of this monument taken from a few yards away at a standing height. These shots also showed the brick base it was on, and bits of the neighborhood outside the cemetery. They were well exposed and focused, but I also felt the view was somewhat plain and many of the background elements didn't add anything to the image. What I suggested to her was to go back and reshoot, but to get closer, at a low vantage point and use the wide end of her 18-55 lens in order to use the sky as the background. If she could get some poofy clouds in the scene, that would be a plus, but we were on the last day for submission, so the clouds could not be waited on. Turned out she did get some after all.

The end result was that this gave a more dramatic impression of hands praying toward heaven. The crop with all that negative space was her idea, not mine, and it worked way better than the crop I had suggested.

Disclaimer: I tend to prefer strong perspective views, which isn't always to everyone's taste, but I think it was appropriate for this subject.

Here is one.... I think the rest got lost when I got that stupid malware trojan.

salmiakki

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

07/20/2010 12:54:55 AM · #189

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

I guess we just have to agree to disagree, I just think it looks gimmicky and cheesy. Even in iconic movies like Schindler's List where Spielberg used it for effect, I thought it was cheesy and unnecessary.

07/24/2010 02:39:28 PM · #190

This thread seems a bit dead. Hmm... anyways, I have my completed Shallow DoF entry done and was wondering if anyone wanted to give me their opinion on it?

07/24/2010 05:16:06 PM · #191

Originally posted by jminso:

This thread seems a bit dead. Hmm... anyways, I have my completed Shallow DoF entry done and was wondering if anyone wanted to give me their opinion on it?

You can send it to me and I'll have a looksie.

If some folks would post their experience on improving their recently ended challenge entries, as Caree and I did above, I think all could learn something from it.

07/25/2010 10:10:33 PM · #192

Thank you Steve for your help with my shallow DoF entry...

Now I got the chance this evening to shoot for the industrial challenge and I have 4 options to choose from. Anyone care to have a look??

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

07/25/2010 10:16:07 PM · #193

I am headed to bed but if anyone wants to taer a look at my options for Industrial send me a message and I will get them to you in the AM

colorcarnival

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

07/25/2010 10:32:54 PM · #194

Originally posted by jminso:

I am headed to bed but if anyone wants to taer a look at my options for Industrial send me a message and I will get them to you in the AM

Feel free to PM me...

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/28/2010 12:41:28 PM · #195

I was looking over the new issue of national geographic and ran across this photo. I thought it was an interesting example of the role perspective plays, especially considering the discussion of

Justcaree's similar entry.

National Geographic photo:

Carree's photo:

PGerst

Canon EOS-20D

07/30/2010 09:07:16 PM · #196

I'm finally catching up here....been very busy.

But, I'm not sure that statement is true. It would be because the focal length is so small, not that the sensor size is small.

But still, I do stand corrected. I meant to say that the focus was not clear in the foreground. It came out wrong as DOF. If there was infinite DOF, then the bottle should have been in focus as well.

Originally posted by coryboehne:

HA, I so know you didn't mean this, but #2 is exactly wrong. Cell phones, because of their small sensor size produce a nearly infinite DOF, the left picture is a great example of that, particularly pay attention to the reflections in the glass..

Message edited by author 2010-07-30 21:08:08.

JustCaree

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/30/2010 09:39:13 PM · #197

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I was looking over the new issue of national geographic and ran across this photo. I thought it was an interesting example of the role perspective plays, especially considering the discussion of Justcaree's similar entry.

National Geographic photo:

Carree's photo:

wow very similar yet totally different. I personally like mine better hahahahaha but thats cause im biased LOL

cyparis

Pentax K7

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Pentax

09/01/2010 12:59:27 PM · #198

Hello, I am quite a newbie on DPC and I would like to discuss my entry for S curves before submission... Is there someone available and ready to give some advice ? please contact me by PM to see the candidates...
Thanks everyone...

spiritualspatula

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/01/2010 01:52:35 PM · #199

Originally posted by cyparis:

Hello Luc,
A belated welcome to DPC!
I'd be willing to take a look at your entries and give you some feedback. I posted what processing software I work with earlier in this thread.
Also, I should point out that this is a bit of an ongoing project. I'm not sure how other mentor/student groups are working, but I am still continuing my feedback with my "students" and see no reason to stop. If you are looking for one time advice or a more extended consultation, I would be willing. However, I'm not sure what software you are specifically working with (and thus can't say I would be your best choice). In any case, I could give you honest feedback on your current entry. Also, it isn't uncommon for folks to ask for specific advice on choosing an entry for a challenge in the individual photo forum, so that other members can provide feedback.

Message edited by author 2010-09-01 13:53:21.