Scooter Fail. Thoughts? - DPChallenge Forums

06/23/2010 12:33:51 AM · #1

Some will say this gets a DNMC, but I call poppycock. Thanks to

JustCaree for her constructive criticism. Anyone else have an opinion why this failed so miserably?

- Alex

Sigma 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical HF for Pentax

06/23/2010 12:37:01 AM · #2

I commented on the image, please see. Hope that helps...

Pug-H

Pentax K10D

06/23/2010 12:40:25 AM · #3

1/125 of a second isn't considered a long exposure, I guess. (Of course, voters didn't know what the shutter speed was exactly). I think you would have needed much more blurriness for it to have gained a higher score.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

06/23/2010 12:40:51 AM · #4

I gave it a vote on the higher end, as I liked the perspective, but I really didn't expect it to do too well overall. I suspect that it might have been deemed snapshotty, and maybe not a long enough exposure to satisfy some definitions of the topic.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

06/23/2010 12:44:06 AM · #5

Pm'd ya.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

06/23/2010 12:57:02 AM · #6

Thanks for the inputs all. I agree with all of the compositional critiques.

Regarding the DNMC, I know it doesn't matter, but I have to say it again:

A "normal" exposure FOR THIS SHOT would have frozen the scooter. By using a ND filter, I was able to "use a longer than normal exposure to create the impact of [my] image." What am I missing?

- Alex

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

06/23/2010 01:03:32 AM · #7

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

Forgive me, but I just don't think of 1/125 as long exposure..

Sure you've got motion blur, and it does give the image impact.. But.. This wasn't a motion blur challenge.

I know you disagree, but I think the majority of people around here start to consider it a long exposure when it looks like it was exposed in 1+ second range..

06/23/2010 01:12:59 AM · #8

So, just to be clear, we're ignoring the instructions of the challenge and imparting our own interpretation of what's in black and white?

ETA: Cory, thanks for your input. I appreciate it, even if I don't agree.

- Alex

Message edited by author 2010-06-23 01:13:31.

06/23/2010 01:20:29 AM · #9

FWIW: I have had that debate before. The description of the challenge is apparently totally open for the user's interpretation. I still do not understand what 'point of color' means for example, and this question was shot down so fast I thought I had asked for ownership of Greece or something ;-);-)

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/23/2010 01:32:24 AM · #10

Originally posted by Prash:

Then how can anyone give anyone else a DNMC vote?! That is the worst line of logic ever. (I know that's not YOUR logic. Please don't take this as shooting the messenger.)

- Alex

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

06/23/2010 01:33:57 AM · #11

Look, if you make the concept "longer than normal" relative to the circumstances of the shot, then all the night shots are DNMC 'cuz long exposures are normal at night, right? So it makes more sense to define "normal" as "in the hand-holdable range", or something like that. And by that metric, this isn't a real good example.

We can fuss back and forth about "ignoring the instructions of the challenge and imparting our own interpretation of what's in black and white", but sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose, and I don't see anything in the way the challenge description is phrased that gives *your* interpretation any clear precedence over the other one. I'm not surprised the voters leaned the way they did.

For whatever that's worth...

R.

06/23/2010 01:36:31 AM · #12

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

True or False.
The fact that I shot this at 1/125, vice 1/1000, created the impact of the shot?

- Alex

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/23/2010 01:56:29 AM · #13

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Look, if you make the concept "longer than normal" relative to the circumstances of the shot, then all the night shots are DNMC 'cuz long exposures are normal at night, right? So it makes more sense to define "normal" as "in the hand-holdable range", or something like that. And by that metric, this isn't a real good example.

We can fuss back and forth about "ignoring the instructions of the challenge and imparting our own interpretation of what's in black and white", but sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose, and I don't see anything in the way the challenge description is phrased that gives *your* interpretation any clear precedence over the other one. I'm not surprised the voters leaned the way they did.

For whatever that's worth...

R.

True or False.
The fact that I shot this at 1/125, vice 1/1000, created the impact of the shot?

- Alex

Alex: Although I do understand your sentiments about a cool idea not scoring well in the challenge, I foresee a can of worms being opened.

Knowing Robert (and others who responded before), may I suggest you please look at the essence of what everyone is saying, take away something that you would want to improve when you take this shot the next time, and also understand that you cannot please every voter?

Trust me each one of us have had such moments on DPC, and in my short experience here, the best thing is to take the positive aspect of it and move on to a better entry next time, or you will always be stuck endlessly debating in the forums, and will have lil time left for getting a ribbon or favorite worthy image:-)

Thank you for your understanding.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

06/23/2010 02:01:17 AM · #14

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

True or False.
The fact that I shot this at 1/125, vice 1/1000, created the impact of the shot?

- Alex

True.

True or False.
The impact was minimal.

Your blur is in this netherworld. Not sharp. Not blurred. That's why it failed. It doesn't do either well.

No, you don't have to have the exposure be in seconds to capture the feeling, but 1/125th should have been a tip-off.

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

06/23/2010 02:06:43 AM · #15

DrAchoo,

THANK YOU! At least someone has the rocks to say what they actually feel. And it's VERY helpful. Now I know where to go from here.

- Alex

Message edited by author 2010-06-23 02:08:44.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

06/23/2010 02:09:13 AM · #16

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Arguably no... However I think this image would have scored well in the long exposure challenge.. :)

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/23/2010 02:11:03 AM · #17

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

DrAchoo,

THANK YOU! At least someone has the rocks to say what they actually feel. And it's VERY helpful. Now I know where to go from here.

- Alex

Alright thats it. Give me back my pebbles!!!;-)

JustCaree

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

06/23/2010 02:13:14 AM · #18

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Arguably no... However I think this image would have scored well in the long exposure challenge.. :)

that merry go round image makes my tummy turn... and makes me dizzy lol

JustCaree

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/23/2010 02:13:39 AM · #19

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

DrAchoo,

THANK YOU! At least someone has the rocks to say what they actually feel. And it's VERY helpful. Now I know where to go from here.

- Alex

hey!!! i said what i felt.. i didnt like starin' up her pants!

06/23/2010 02:13:50 AM · #20

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Great image. But then again, leaving the definition of 'long exposure' to the voters, I deem at least 1 second of exposure time to cause a visual effect worthy enough of a positive note.

OTOH, the voters would have no clue of how long the exposure time was by just looking at an image. So all other things considered equal, the 'awe' factor of an image would win on DPC.

ETA: Btw

DrAchoo, I am still curious as to how you edited your winning HDR shot, when you get a chance. Bear explained his, thanks Robert!

Message edited by author 2010-06-23 02:17:13.

06/23/2010 02:16:40 AM · #21

Originally posted by Prash:

Great image. But then again, leaving the definition of 'long exposure' to the voters, I deem at least 1 second of exposure time to cause a visual effect worthy enough of a positive note.

But why the arbitrary standard? So a 30 second exposure of a static subject is OK? But a 1/8 sec exposure with a dramatic effect isn't?

Originally posted by Prash:

OTOH, the voters would have no clue of how long the exposure time was by just looking at an image. So all other things considered equal, the 'awe' factor of an image would win on DPC.

Not "would win," did win. He ribboned with that shot.

- Alex

Message edited by author 2010-06-23 02:17:31.

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

06/23/2010 02:21:53 AM · #22

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Yes...your motion blur is longer which would not have happened at 1/125th. OPs image at 1/8th would have had more of an impact.

06/23/2010 02:24:37 AM · #23

Originally posted by Alex_Europa:

Originally posted by Prash:

Great image. But then again, leaving the definition of 'long exposure' to the voters, I deem at least 1 second of exposure time to cause a visual effect worthy enough of a positive note.

But why the arbitrary standard? So a 30 second exposure of a static subject is OK? But a 1/8 sec exposure with a dramatic effect isn't?

Alright boy. You were warned.

[1] Now bring me a definition of long exposure that talks about a specific duration of time, and we will talk.

[2] Regardless of whether you opened the shutter for 1 second or 10 seconds, your entry lacks the visual appeal that would engage the viewer and make them rate it high. You can only force the voters to rate your image high: by creating engaging images. This one didn't. DrAchoo's did. No one had any idea what exposure time you used at the time of voting. The image was judged solely on it;s visual merit. It didn't work, sorry. Mine didn't work either. I got the message, and will try better next time.

So learn how to improve, accept the shortcomings, and move on. Alright?

06/23/2010 02:24:54 AM · #24

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is 1/8th a long exposure?

Yes...your motion blur is longer which would not have happened at 1/125th. OPs image at 1/8th would have had more of an impact.

I agree. I tried to get something slower but I couldn't keep the foot even reasonably sharp.

- Alex