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06/12/2010 12:32:49 PM · #1 |
Photographers are killing me. I'm starting a photography business and working on my website right now and I can tell you that It will NOT be done with Adobe Flash.
1. All the sites take way too long to load.
2. 90% have annoying music (it annoys people, trust me).
3. They're hard to navigate.
4. Flash is unsupported by many browsers and people will not be able to visit your website on an iPad.
5. Flash has terrible SEO.
6. Content is usually found in scrolling frames--annoying.
on and on and on.
What is your take on sites done in flash? Are you as annoyed as I am (and probably as annoyed as clients get). I hate waiting on sites to load, I hate annoying music, and I hate scrolling frames. Why would we put clients through this hell on purpose? |
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06/12/2010 12:42:38 PM · #2 |
i cant say i buy into all your arguments, especially the ipad one. as well as the ipad has sold, it would be foolish, in my opinion, to design your website around that. despite apples amazing growth as of late, if you want to reach the MOST people you will design with IE and windows in mind
Also flash is supported by IE and Firefox, anything else is nominal.
Message edited by author 2010-06-12 12:44:00. |
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06/12/2010 12:44:41 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by kgeary:
Photographers are killing me. I'm starting a photography business and working on my website right now and I can tell you that It will NOT be done with Adobe Flash.
1. All the sites take way too long to load.
2. 90% have annoying music (it annoys people, trust me).
3. They're hard to navigate.
4. Flash is unsupported by many browsers and people will not be able to visit your website on an iPad.
5. Flash has terrible SEO.
6. Content is usually found in scrolling frames--annoying.
on and on and on.
What is your take on sites done in flash? Are you as annoyed as I am (and probably as annoyed as clients get). I hate waiting on sites to load, I hate annoying music, and I hate scrolling frames. Why would we put clients through this hell on purpose? |
Because it makes it "harder" to steal the work... However, most of us know how to get around that, so it's fairly pointless.
As per the annoyance? That doesn't depend on the medium, it depends on the designer.. |
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06/12/2010 12:48:41 PM · #4 |
Are you related to a guy named Jobs?
I don't think the problem is with Flash, it's with web masters who can't use it to its full potential.
Flash is unsupported by many browsers
Name ONE browser that doesn't support Flash? Safari? Opera? Firefox? MSIE? Netscape? Konqueror? Chrome? Which one? |
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06/12/2010 12:54:26 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Are you related to a guy named Jobs?
I don't think the problem is with Flash, it's with web masters who can't use it to its full potential.
Flash is unsupported by many browsers
Name ONE browser that doesn't support Flash? Safari? Opera? Firefox? MSIE? Netscape? Konqueror? Chrome? Which one? |
I'm not sure what the OP meant... But clearly, most browsers need the 3rd party extension installed to view flash.. So one could argue that many browsers do not have native support for flash..... *shrug* |
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06/12/2010 12:55:41 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kgeary:
Photographers are killing me. I'm starting a photography business and working on my website right now. |
Why are you blaming the photographers? I'd suggest you spend more time on taking pictures and just leave the site management to someone like Zenfolio if it bothers you that much.
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06/12/2010 12:58:31 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by samchad:
Originally posted by kgeary:
Photographers are killing me. I'm starting a photography business and working on my website right now. |
Why are you blaming the photographers? I'd suggest you spend more time on taking pictures and just leave the site management to someone like Zenfolio if it bothers you that much. |
Because I know how to do my own web design. Photographers should tell whoever they're using to design their sites to drop the flash. Flash is dead and will never come back. You're using an outdated design method and everyone hates it.
You can take the advice or leave it, I'm just saying that you're at a disadvantage by using it. |
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06/12/2010 12:58:58 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
i cant say i buy into all your arguments, especially the ipad one. as well as the ipad has sold, it would be foolish, in my opinion, to design your website around that. despite apples amazing growth as of late, if you want to reach the MOST people you will design with IE and windows in mind
Also flash is supported by IE and Firefox, anything else is nominal. |
When did I say design sites around the iPad? All sites work on the iPad EXCEPT flash sites. That's all I was saying. |
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06/12/2010 01:01:43 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by kgeary:
Originally posted by smardaz:
i cant say i buy into all your arguments, especially the ipad one. as well as the ipad has sold, it would be foolish, in my opinion, to design your website around that. despite apples amazing growth as of late, if you want to reach the MOST people you will design with IE and windows in mind
Also flash is supported by IE and Firefox, anything else is nominal. |
When did I say design sites around the iPad? All sites work on the iPad EXCEPT flash sites. That's all I was saying. |
I am definitely thinking you and Steve need to do lunch sometime soon... |
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06/12/2010 01:08:27 PM · #10 |
I get pretty annoyed with flash sites, for many of the reasons kgeary states. I do not have the patience to wait for pages to load, and I detest scrolling frames. The music issue is separate from the flash issue, but is just as bad annoying wise.
Mostly I solve this by simply navigating away, and never looking at the page. |
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06/12/2010 01:12:15 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by kgeary:
Originally posted by smardaz:
i cant say i buy into all your arguments, especially the ipad one. as well as the ipad has sold, it would be foolish, in my opinion, to design your website around that. despite apples amazing growth as of late, if you want to reach the MOST people you will design with IE and windows in mind
Also flash is supported by IE and Firefox, anything else is nominal. |
When did I say design sites around the iPad? All sites work on the iPad EXCEPT flash sites. That's all I was saying. |
one of your points was that people with ipads cant go there, i was saying its not something i would consider when designing a site |
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06/12/2010 01:13:50 PM · #12 |
I prefer php. Check out this open source option for putting together a photo website. I really like the software and you can integrate purchasing options. It is essentially, a DIY site.
You'll need rights on your domain, a SQL database, and php 5. Or you can host your own server just the same.
//gallery.menalto.com/
Oh...I run Gallery 2, NOT 3. Version 3 is too new at the moment.
Message edited by author 2010-06-12 13:14:44. |
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06/12/2010 01:17:22 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
one of your points was that people with ipads cant go there, i was saying its not something i would consider when designing a site |
You'd just casually throw away a pool of two million tech-oriented potential customers? |
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06/12/2010 01:46:57 PM · #14 |
| Agreed, Flash-based photo sites are almost always poorly executed, force inexplicable delays while waiting for some interface "feature" to load, and utilize generally proprietary navigation that's either baffling, ugly, or just plain annoying. I avoid them. |
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06/12/2010 01:55:41 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by smardaz:
one of your points was that people with ipads cant go there, i was saying its not something i would consider when designing a site |
You'd just casually throw away a pool of two million tech-oriented potential customers? |
not casually, my point is are you going to design based on reaching 50 million people or 2 million? PLEASE don't interpret this as apple bashing, dont want to rankle the disciples out there, i am just talking numbers
not to mention if you're talking about a photog site, you're not neccisarily trying to reach tech oriented people
Message edited by author 2010-06-12 13:56:39. |
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06/12/2010 02:00:50 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by smardaz:
one of your points was that people with ipads cant go there, i was saying its not something i would consider when designing a site |
You'd just casually throw away a pool of two million tech-oriented potential customers? |
not casually, my point is are you going to design based on reaching 50 million people or 2 million? |
I view it as designing to reach 50 million or 52 million. I would also look at the demographics of the "two groups" -- my guess is that the per capita interest level is far higher among the group of 2 million. |
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06/12/2010 02:21:57 PM · #17 |
I'm not defending it, as I really dislike flash sites, but the primary reason that people use it is because it will ALWAYS look the same (as long as people can view it of course). Regarding the iPad/iPhone issue, the better companies that use flash will make a mobile site that will automatically send those users to a site "optimized" for those platforms.
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06/12/2010 02:50:48 PM · #18 |
Maybe because Flash is the #1 technology for developing rich Internet sites.
Scrolling frames - umm, that's an HTML technology, thank you kindly. Any designer worth his salt wouldn't use them.
Music - it's a matter of taste. I'm not a fan, but at least Flash makes it possible. It becomes a design choice, not a technology difficulty.
Because Flash makes anything possible (music, animation, video, interactivity, 3D), comes backed by a suite of creativity tools by Adobe, and reaches the vast majority your Internet audience (sorry iFans, Steve's just being a ****), it's the obvious choice to create beautiful applications... or easily abused to create the most hateful sites you've ever seen.
But blame the designer, not the technology. |
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06/12/2010 02:57:12 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by smurfguy:
Maybe because Flash is the #1 technology for developing rich Internet sites.
Scrolling frames - umm, that's an HTML technology, thank you kindly. Any designer worth his salt wouldn't use them.
Music - it's a matter of taste. I'm not a fan, but at least Flash makes it possible. It becomes a design choice, not a technology difficulty.
Because Flash makes anything possible (music, animation, video, interactivity, 3D), comes backed by a suite of creativity tools by Adobe, and reaches the vast majority your Internet audience (sorry iFans, Steve's just being a ****), it's the obvious choice to create beautiful applications... or easily abused to create the most hateful sites you've ever seen.
But blame the designer, not the technology. |
hey, a good case by my fav dpc-techie....while i got you here, any word on a droid score app? |
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06/12/2010 03:18:33 PM · #20 |
Flash is not my first choice for rich Internet content for several reasons
1. Each Flash element is a binary blob. Not the most efficient delivery package for the Internet.
2. Flash content cannot be searched. If you have a 100% Flash driven site you can forget Google rankings, or any other search engine. If you try to put hidden text on your pages so search engines can crawl them, sites like Google will punish you in the rankings.
3. Technically, Flash is not supported by any browser. It is a proprietary technology that requires a browser plug-in produced my Adobe in order to work on any browser.
4. Many corporate firewalls block Flash content since it is used primarily for the entertainment genre.
5. No mobile device currently supports the full version of Flash. The iPad is a mobile device. Flash 10.1 was just released last week. We'll see how well in works on the newest mobile devices. Any mobile device made prior to 3 or 4 months ago probably will not work well with Flash.
As for photography related sites, there is nothing about Flash that is a better viewing experience than many non-proprietary technologies, including HTML5. Why not make a site that works everywhere?
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