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06/07/2010 03:56:23 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
I argue that the curve distribution should be a standard bell curve, with the lower extreme being a 3 or a 4 and the upper extreme being a 10 , therefore I feel that the average score should really be either a 7 or a 7.5 |
I went to school at UC Berkeley, a public university, and our rival was Stanford, a very expensive private university. Students at Stanford were given on average, slightly above an A-. At Cal we were given on average slightly above a B-. We at Cal felt that having a grade curve that averaged A- showed what pampered deluded twats Stanford students were.
Grade inflation hurts because class ranking is what really matters and if you cant give a student below a B, then it is harder to express the range of the quality of work. Of course all the pampered kids at Stanford loved their grades because it assured them of their special place on the universe, made them happy and assured mom and dad that their money was being well spent. At Cal the professors were largely being paid by the state, and by research grants, so they were free to kick the students in the teeth if thats what they felt they deserved.
Go Bears, beat the Trees. I'm from a public university, I know I can get a C if my work is just O.K.
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06/07/2010 03:57:16 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by sonniejake:
I've only been with DPC for a few years, and have only entered into a handful of challenges - but have voted on plenty of them. For the most part, I find the work on this site to be very good and I have discovered that my pictures have improved over time from the experience of voting on this site.
When I vote on a picture, 6 is my middle range, then I go up and down from there. With that said, from this point forward I pledge to comment on all 1, 2, 3, 4, 9,and 10 votes. |
That's a big commitment! Thanks, I can promise you that MOST of the people will really appreciate it, even if some of them will tend to (politely) argue with your assessments :) |
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06/07/2010 04:02:33 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
I argue that the curve distribution should be a standard bell curve, with the lower extreme being a 3 or a 4 and the upper extreme being a 10 , therefore I feel that the average score should really be either a 7 or a 7.5 |
I went to school at UC Berkeley, a public university, and our rival was Stanford, a very expensive private university. Students at Stanford were given on average, slightly above an A-. At Cal we were given on average slightly above a B-. We at Cal felt that having a grade curve that averaged A- showed what pampered deluded twats Stanford students were.
Grade inflation hurts because class ranking is what really matters and if you cant give a student below a B, then it is harder to express the range of the quality of work. Of course all the pampered kids at Stanford loved their grades because it assured them of their special place on the universe, made them happy and assured mom and dad that their money was being well spent. At Cal the professors were largely being paid by the state, and by research grants, so they were free to kick the students in the teeth if thats what they felt they deserved.
Go Bears, beat the Trees. I'm from a public university, I know I can get a C if my work is just O.K. |
And yet both of those are actually above the real average of either a C (based on A-F grades), or a 50% (based on % grades)..... So your argument here is that we shouldn't give everyone 8's, 9's, and 10's... Yep. I agree! My argument is that we shouldn't be considering a 50% as average...
Actually I think the model that you present for Cal is even a bit higher than I would like to see here... You do realize that the B- average you cite as being good and appropriate equates to the 80th percentile or better? That would equate to the average score here going up to an 8... That'a about half a point higher than even my most radical of suggestions..
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06/07/2010 04:03:38 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Since that is the case, I argue that the curve distribution should be a standard bell curve, with the lower extreme being a 3 or a 4 and the upper extreme being a 10 , therefore I feel that the average score should really be either a 7 or a 7.5.. Now that's radical, I know... But I do think my logic is sound. |
That has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with personal feelings. Rewarding average, i.e., mediocre, photography with a 7, or 7.5, makes the challenges worthless. What on earth is the point in entering when the potential for scoring a bland 5 disappears? There is none. Everyone's wonderful. Everyone's talented. Everyone gets a prize. Sounds kind of like kindergarten to me.
Thankfully, it'll never happen, but the average score must remain between 5 and 6. Most people are here to improve their skills, after all, and not be coddled. I think. |
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06/07/2010 04:04:20 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The only problem I see is that you are assuming that the bell curve should be a normal curve starting at 1 and going to 10... That is what I feel was a mistake in my logic earlier... Now I think the results should be more of a bell curve starting at 4 and going to 10, leaving the peak (average) at about 7.5 or so.... |
I don't understand the logic of this... Are you saying 4 is the lowest anyone should receive?
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06/07/2010 04:05:17 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The only problem I see is that you are assuming that the bell curve should be a normal curve starting at 1 and going to 10... That is what I feel was a mistake in my logic earlier... Now I think the results should be more of a bell curve starting at 4 and going to 10, leaving the peak (average) at about 7.5 or so.... |
I don't understand the logic of this... Are you saying 4 is the lowest anyone should receive? |
I am definitely saying that a 4 is the lowest score I will give out without some really, really, unbelievably, undeniably good reason... |
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06/07/2010 04:07:31 PM · #107 |
| Not that we ever know what score was given by a voter (unless they choose to tell us), but I would respect whatever score Louis gave me (and all members who vote "honestly") more than the score from those trying to make me feel good by giving me a 6 or 7. |
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06/07/2010 04:09:30 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The only problem I see is that you are assuming that the bell curve should be a normal curve starting at 1 and going to 10... That is what I feel was a mistake in my logic earlier... Now I think the results should be more of a bell curve starting at 4 and going to 10, leaving the peak (average) at about 7.5 or so.... |
I don't understand the logic of this... Are you saying 4 is the lowest anyone should receive? |
I am definitely saying that a 4 is the lowest score I will give out without some really, really, unbelievably, undeniably good reason... |
Which means you are using a 7 point scale, and on your scale 4 is equivalent to 1. (Actually, I give very few 1's, but that number is there when I need it.) |
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06/07/2010 04:11:57 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by sonniejake:
I've only been with DPC for a few years, and have only entered into a handful of challenges - but have voted on plenty of them. For the most part, I find the work on this site to be very good and I have discovered that my pictures have improved over time from the experience of voting on this site.
When I vote on a picture, 6 is my middle range, then I go up and down from there. With that said, from this point forward I pledge to comment on all 1, 2, 3, 4, 9,and 10 votes. |
That's a big commitment! Thanks, I can promise you that MOST of the people will really appreciate it, even if some of them will tend to (politely) argue with your assessments :) |
Back at the begining of my DPC life, I came across a comment someone made on a picture. The exact wording was "Pathetic." I clicked on the members name and noted that the voter had been with the site for several years, no camera listed, zero info about themselves, and never once entered a competition. I also notice that their average score was something like a 3 or 4 - telling me that they voted low. It was that day that I decided not to be like that person and to vote fairly and if I do compare pictures that it will be done only with those within that competition. |
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06/07/2010 04:12:15 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Since that is the case, I argue that the curve distribution should be a standard bell curve, with the lower extreme being a 3 or a 4 and the upper extreme being a 10 , therefore I feel that the average score should really be either a 7 or a 7.5.. Now that's radical, I know... But I do think my logic is sound. |
That has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with personal feelings. Rewarding average, i.e., mediocre, photography with a 7, or 7.5, makes the challenges worthless. What on earth is the point in entering when the potential for scoring a bland 5 disappears? There is none. Everyone's wonderful. Everyone's talented. Everyone gets a prize. Sounds kind of like kindergarten to me.
Thankfully, it'll never happen, but the average score must remain between 5 and 6. Most people are here to improve their skills, after all, and not be coddled. I think. |
Really? Well firstly, I do find your post again, rather ?intentionally? inflammatory. I think you well know that not everyone will win a prize.. There will still be exactly three ribbons, and exactly 10 top 10 finishers..
You act like I'm advocating an "everybody wins" situation where there is no real judgment or critique.. I'm not, and I damn well think you know it. There is absolutely no equation between coddling and appreciation..
I wonder why you are so against this? It doesn't really affect the end results, you are certainly trying to make it look like it does, but in the end the only real measurable effect will likely be on mine and a few other people's voting averages..
We will feel good, we will be voting with a real ethos, perhaps even a philosophy, and I think that in the end this will lead to (for a few) a more ethical voting process and a few extra smiles at the end of the week..
So, other than the misconstrued argument that this is going to somehow bias challenge results, why do you seem to hate this idea so very much? |
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06/07/2010 04:15:16 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The only problem I see is that you are assuming that the bell curve should be a normal curve starting at 1 and going to 10... That is what I feel was a mistake in my logic earlier... Now I think the results should be more of a bell curve starting at 4 and going to 10, leaving the peak (average) at about 7.5 or so.... |
I don't understand the logic of this... Are you saying 4 is the lowest anyone should receive? |
I am definitely saying that a 4 is the lowest score I will give out without some really, really, unbelievably, undeniably good reason... |
Which means you are using a 7 point scale, and on your scale 4 is equivalent to 1. (Actually, I give very few 1's, but that number is there when I need it.) |
Yes, essentially it does.. And the reason for that is there are a few true 1's that are entered every now and again.. But it's rare that users enter photos they feel will score under a 5, so clearly, they probably put in enough effort to at least deserve a 4... There are exceptions, but they are not the rule, but rather the exception (IMHO..) |
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06/07/2010 04:18:10 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by coryboehne[/quote:
Really?... |
I don't hate anything, much less some stranger's voting habits. But I do dislike rewarding mediocrity in any field with undeserved recognition. The ethos here should be one that encourages change through improvement by way of a desire to increase scores, if the challenge result is what one is after; it should not be one where making someone smile and feel good about themselves is thought of as better than offering an honest opinion through a truly deserved score. The result is, in fact, a dilution of quality in the long term, should everyone engage in this behaviour, and I happen to think that's wrong and counter-productive. There's really nothing more to it than that. |
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06/07/2010 04:22:52 PM · #113 |
Effort has very little to do with it, in my opinion. I may work 20 hours on a shot and it may only be worth a 3. I might get lucky and take a photo that with 5 minutes processing is worthy of a 10.
I might think my shot is great, but that does not mean it is great. I don't want an A for effort (or even a B), I want voters to tell me it works or it doesn't. Since most people don't comment any more, that leaves the score the only way I know what somebody thought. |
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06/07/2010 04:29:05 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by coryboehne |
Really?...[/quote:
I don't hate anything, much less some stranger's voting habits. But I do dislike rewarding mediocrity in any field with undeserved recognition. The ethos here should be one that encourages change through improvement by way of a desire to increase scores, if the challenge result is what one is after; it should not be one where making someone smile and feel good about themselves is thought of as better than offering an honest opinion through a truly deserved score. The result is, in fact, a dilution of quality in the long term, should everyone engage in this behaviour, and I happen to think that's wrong and counter-productive. There's really nothing more to it than that. |
I simply don't feel that no matter how high everyone votes that it would have this effect..
In essence the goals just become more granular.. So perhaps the difference we today see as a 5 vs a 7, might be compressed into an 8 vs. 8.5, but still, that means you will value those smaller increments more... And let's face it, many of us are here to improve, a single comment teaches me more than twenty 1's. So my approach is actually more beneficial than simply voting low, as I do intend to comment when I'm voting, and as I've commented 100% on challenges before (and yes, with real comments, not just fluff..) I really do think I am trying to help others improve..
In the end, I can now vote the images according to how I feel about them, rather than trying to keep my average at exactly 5.5 (as it had been since I started here, until about a week ago..).
I like being able to reward people's beautiful work.. And this whole thing is about me sharing the secret that it's actually OK to do this.. You won't screw up the challenges or discourage people from learning and improving.. You can vote higher if you want to!
I understand that you will probably have a differing outlook, but really, I just don't feel that your fears about this messing everything up are at all justified.
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06/07/2010 04:32:21 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Effort has very little to do with it, in my opinion. I may work 20 hours on a shot and it may only be worth a 3. I might get lucky and take a photo that with 5 minutes processing is worthy of a 10.
I might think my shot is great, but that does not mean it is great. I don't want an A for effort (or even a B), I want voters to tell me it works or it doesn't. Since most people don't comment any more, that leaves the score the only way I know what somebody thought. |
But would you be ok with an "F" for effort? How about a "D" for daring??
In the end if we want to equate this to a letter grading system, please remember that the "F" is anything below a 60% (In DPC terms a 6).. So in reality, giving a person a 5 is like giving them an "F" in the grading system...
So do you really feel an average photo deserves to be given an "F" letter grade? Or worse? I certainly don't... As a matter of a fact, I feel that an average photo should probably get a "C" letter grade, or in DPC terms, a 7... That's radical isn't it? Giving 'average' photos 7's.... But after all, that is only a "C", which by many, many accepted measures is "average"... |
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06/07/2010 04:37:47 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Actually I think the model that you present for Cal is even a bit higher than I would like to see here... You do realize that the B- average you cite as being good and appropriate equates to the 80th percentile or better? That would equate to the average score here going up to an 8... That'a about half a point higher than even my most radical of suggestions.. |
The difference might be attributed to the fact that at Cal anyone not keeping their GPA above a C was not allowed to enroll the next quarter. Not sure that would work here.
Given that a GPA of 2.78, slightly better than B- on a scale of 0 to 4 possible range, is 69.5% . If this site were applied for, and members were selected, turning down 75% of applicants, and then we culled the bottom performing ten percent of the members every year, as Cal does, I'd bet that my average vote would get up into the sevens. Of course I don't think I'd be voting since I would never have been selected to enter int he first place. |
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06/07/2010 05:02:47 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Actually I think the model that you present for Cal is even a bit higher than I would like to see here... You do realize that the B- average you cite as being good and appropriate equates to the 80th percentile or better? That would equate to the average score here going up to an 8... That'a about half a point higher than even my most radical of suggestions.. |
The difference might be attributed to the fact that at Cal anyone not keeping their GPA above a C was not allowed to enroll the next quarter. Not sure that would work here.
Given that a GPA of 2.78, slightly better than B- on a scale of 0 to 4 possible range, is 69.5% . If this site were applied for, and members were selected, turning down 75% of applicants, and then we culled the bottom performing ten percent of the members every year, as Cal does, I'd bet that my average vote would get up into the sevens. Of course I don't think I'd be voting since I would never have been selected to enter int he first place. |
I advocate the use of 5's and 4's for that 10%... :) |
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06/07/2010 05:17:28 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by Prash:
What people don't realize is (if they understand the basic of statistics):
- If one voter raises the average score he/she awards to each picture in a challenge so the minimum vote now becomes a 4 and the maximum becomes a 10, he/she is essentially restructuring the 'distribution function', BUT the relative ranking of images won't change. So a blue ribbon winner will still be a winner 'for that voter', albeit now at a score of 10 as opposed to a '7' before he/she shifted the votes.
I inadvertently started doing this lately. Earlier, a winner from me would have gotten a 6 or a 7, and everyone below had votes all the way to 1. Now, in all fairness (with my changed 'etiquette'), I personally do not think anyone deserves a score of 1 or a 2 unless it's a clear attempt to get a brown.
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what people do not realise that when they vote from say 4- 10, for them also blue is still blue and brown is still brown. But because of their scale's smallness they can now differentiate less between entries.
What it means is that you are saying that something on the scale of 1 to 10 is 5.5 is 6 and something which was 6 is also may fall into 6 or 7 in scale of 4-10.
Essentially, it means two things: you put disadvantage to 6 entry by ranking 5.5 entry also 6.
Plus you are punishing enteries on which you did not vote and others voted on them with scale of 1 to 10.
So if scale of 1 to 10 is provided it is better idea to use it.
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06/07/2010 05:19:49 PM · #119 |
O.K., I've read this whole thread to this point. I have to say I'm pretty much with Louis on this one. We don't need to be stroked or made to feel special. If you're a pro, just cash the check. If you're a "hobbyist", print it, frame it, give it to your mother in law so she can tell everyone how great you are. If all you're working for is a 5.8 average on DPC, most of the prople you tell that to will look at you like you're from Jupiter. Huh?
Vote on my pictures as you see fit, and I'll vote on yours, and comment if there's something special I see. If my picture hits you in the heart, reward me with a bigger number. If it's "meh", tell me with an average score. Is it a 5, or is it a 6? Who the F. cares? Don't fluff my score because you want me to feel better about myself. My wife loves me, my dog wags, and my son and grandson look up to me...I think. Life is grand.
I am a somewhat above average photographer, or so it seems from the people in my life. I want to be better...that's why I'm here. I want to know more, think clearer, shoot more intentionally, and process more toward a purpose...AND have some fun doing it. If you think giving me a 6 for an average instead of a 5 is going to help that...wonderful. Go nuts. But when my picture still scores 75th out of 280 I'll know I have a long way to go.
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06/07/2010 05:30:04 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Prash:
What people don't realize is (if they understand the basic of statistics):
- If one voter raises the average score he/she awards to each picture in a challenge so the minimum vote now becomes a 4 and the maximum becomes a 10, he/she is essentially restructuring the 'distribution function', BUT the relative ranking of images won't change. So a blue ribbon winner will still be a winner 'for that voter', albeit now at a score of 10 as opposed to a '7' before he/she shifted the votes.
I inadvertently started doing this lately. Earlier, a winner from me would have gotten a 6 or a 7, and everyone below had votes all the way to 1. Now, in all fairness (with my changed 'etiquette'), I personally do not think anyone deserves a score of 1 or a 2 unless it's a clear attempt to get a brown.
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what people do not realise that when they vote from say 4- 10, for them also blue is still blue and brown is still brown. But because of their scale's smallness they can now differentiate less between entries.
What it means is that you are saying that something on the scale of 1 to 10 is 5.5 is 6 and something which was 6 is also may fall into 6 or 7 in scale of 4-10.
Essentially, it means two things: you put disadvantage to 6 entry by ranking 5.5 entry also 6.
Plus you are punishing enteries on which you did not vote and others voted on them with scale of 1 to 10.
So if scale of 1 to 10 is provided it is better idea to use it. |
Part 5 of my pledge:
5. I will vote 100% in any challenge I vote in, since, because I am voting higher, partial voting would penalize those who didn't get a score. |
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06/07/2010 05:33:43 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by farfel53:
O.K., I've read this whole thread to this point. I have to say I'm pretty much with Louis on this one. We don't need to be stroked or made to feel special. If you're a pro, just cash the check. If you're a "hobbyist", print it, frame it, give it to your mother in law so she can tell everyone how great you are. If all you're working for is a 5.8 average on DPC, most of the prople you tell that to will look at you like you're from Jupiter. Huh?
Vote on my pictures as you see fit, and I'll vote on yours, and comment if there's something special I see. If my picture hits you in the heart, reward me with a bigger number. If it's "meh", tell me with an average score. Is it a 5, or is it a 6? Who the F. cares? Don't fluff my score because you want me to feel better about myself. My wife loves me, my dog wags, and my son and grandson look up to me...I think. Life is grand.
I am a somewhat above average photographer, or so it seems from the people in my life. I want to be better...that's why I'm here. I want to know more, think clearer, shoot more intentionally, and process more toward a purpose...AND have some fun doing it. If you think giving me a 6 for an average instead of a 5 is going to help that...wonderful. Go nuts. But when my picture still scores 75th out of 280 I'll know I have a long way to go. |
Your statement implies that you feel a 6 instead of a 5 will discourage you from learning... I disagree, as I feel that rewards often get the best response.. But, then you seem to think that punishment is a better tool.. I just don't.. You can punish, I will reward.. We'll make a nice team effort out of this. :)
Just out of curiosity, did you train your puppy with treats or a boot? I'm going bet (hope?) that it wasn't the boot.. |
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06/07/2010 05:40:02 PM · #122 |
You wanna be the best you have to beat the best. 2nd place is first loser no matter what the score is.
I am with Louis and this statement says it all "But I do dislike rewarding mediocrity in any field with undeserved recognition."
When I won my blue ribbon I beat the best and I happened to be with one of the sites best when I captured the image. Average score means nothing. |
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06/07/2010 05:42:19 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Essentially, it means two things: you put disadvantage to 6 entry by ranking 5.5 entry also 6. |
I don't think you got the point. Absolute scores mean NOTHING:-) It's the relative ranking that counts. And I don't see how a 5.5 will become 6 but 6 will stay at 6 with the hypothetical situation we are discussing. 5->6, and 6->7. Their relative placement remains the same.
Originally posted by zxaar:
Plus you are punishing enteries on which you did not vote and others voted on them with scale of 1 to 10. |
-> Talking just about my voting etiquette, I vote 100% in all challenges since I started following this 'style':-)
Originally posted by zxaar:
So if scale of 1 to 10 is provided it is better idea to use it. |
Sure, please do so. Everyone has a right to vote as they like. There is no rule saying one must vote in the closed range [1...10]. Neither is there a rule that says one must vote in the closed range [4...10].
We are all different personalities, amounting to variations in voting etiquette. As long as we vote 'fairly' (and fairness is apparently relative on DPC;-), vote as you like!
Happy DPCing buddy!
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06/07/2010 05:43:31 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Effort has very little to do with it, in my opinion. I may work 20 hours on a shot and it may only be worth a 3. I might get lucky and take a photo that with 5 minutes processing is worthy of a 10.
I might think my shot is great, but that does not mean it is great. I don't want an A for effort (or even a B), I want voters to tell me it works or it doesn't. Since most people don't comment any more, that leaves the score the only way I know what somebody thought. |
But would you be ok with an "F" for effort? How about a "D" for daring??
In the end if we want to equate this to a letter grading system, please remember that the "F" is anything below a 60% (In DPC terms a 6).. So in reality, giving a person a 5 is like giving them an "F" in the grading system...
So do you really feel an average photo deserves to be given an "F" letter grade? Or worse? I certainly don't... As a matter of a fact, I feel that an average photo should probably get a "C" letter grade, or in DPC terms, a 7... That's radical isn't it? Giving 'average' photos 7's.... But after all, that is only a "C", which by many, many accepted measures is "average"... |
Where you have a 100 point scale, there is room to differentiate at every level. Since we only have 10 points (you limit yourself to 7) there is less room. 5 is not equal to 50%=F. To me, 5=average=C. Yes, it's actually 5.5, but if I round up to 6 I am inflating. I am currently in grad school. If I spend a month doing a paper that is poor quality, I will not get an A because I spent so much time on it.
I really feel an average photo deserves 50%, regardless of effort put into it. Besides, we don't know how much effort until the photog tells us. You simply make an assumption. |
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06/07/2010 05:43:41 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Since that is the case, I argue that the curve distribution should be a standard bell curve, with the lower extreme being a 3 or a 4 and the upper extreme being a 10 , therefore I feel that the average score should really be either a 7 or a 7.5.. Now that's radical, I know... But I do think my logic is sound. |
That has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with personal feelings. Rewarding average, i.e., mediocre, photography with a 7, or 7.5, makes the challenges worthless. What on earth is the point in entering when the potential for scoring a bland 5 disappears? There is none. Everyone's wonderful. Everyone's talented. Everyone gets a prize. Sounds kind of like kindergarten to me.
Thankfully, it'll never happen, but the average score must remain between 5 and 6. Most people are here to improve their skills, after all, and not be coddled. I think. |
You sir (Louis)... have thought RIGHT!
I come here to learn, and to improve. I can tell you that through many 4's and 5's, I am now really feeling like I am improving... There is a visible difference in my photography from 2 years ago to today, and I owe allot of that improvement to people like Louis and others who have given me harsh and honest criticisms... If Louis looks at my photo, and it doesn't move him at all, and he scores it a 3, then he did his job as a voter. He voted it honestly, and that's what I'm looking for. There are plenty of other websites where people will tell me how great my photography is. I also have plenty of family who will tell me how great it is, so I don't need people on here polishing a turd for me :)
Cory, I think what you are trying to do is very noble and uplifting. It feels very good to receive higher votes, and it certainly boosts morale. The issue I have with it is that we are asking people to vote higher than they regularly would. While I can certainly see the good in your cause, I think its much better to give people a hand up... rather than a hand out... Rather than asking people to vote higher, perhaps giving honest criticisms through comments and feedback is a better cause to champion for...
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