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05/21/2010 02:49:58 PM · #51 |
The two most important things I have ever learned. They apply to everything including photography and are about equal in importance.
Do not let yourself be limited by what others believe you cannot do....
Shut up and listen! |
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05/21/2010 03:41:58 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Louis:
That story is more important than anything. Without investing in some kind of meaning -- and, yes, wedding photos, water drops, and kid photos can have story -- there isn't any point in the rest of it. This is a highly subjective view of photography, but that's the most valuable thing I've learned. I personally won't bother showing (or submitting) anything that doesn't have some kind of meaning for me. In my view, it's through personal investment in imagery that all the other stuff flows. |
I used to do that too and felt really bad when my scores plummeted to the darkest recesses of that bottomless pit... so now I don't bother submitting at all. :O)
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05/21/2010 03:42:55 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by MattO:
I learned that Brits talk funny. And so do Aussies. |
We're three countries separated by a common language......8>) |
Ya forgot the Canucks... thems talk funny too eh?
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05/21/2010 04:30:57 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I tried it. Librodo sharpening is very subtle, but effective. Interesting. Thanks! |
It's really good for print. It may be too subtle for web, depending on size of displayed image. Adamus sharpening can be excellent for web, but it is useless for print.
Lesson to be learned:
Processing for DPC/800 pixels is completely different from processing for print display!
R.
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05/22/2010 10:32:40 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I tried it. Librodo sharpening is very subtle, but effective. Interesting. Thanks! |
It's really good for print. It may be too subtle for web, depending on size of displayed image. Adamus sharpening can be excellent for web, but it is useless for print.
Lesson to be learned:
Processing for DPC/800 pixels is completely different from processing for print display!
R. |
Thanks Bear! Processing is different & so is the look of the finished product. Now that I think about it, I'm remembering that I was drawn to digital photography because of that difference. A photograph printed on paper has a kind of a curious flat look to it that I don't much like, especially in comparison to the same photo on my screen. Ooh I just love the energy of the screen! |
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05/22/2010 12:52:44 PM · #56 |
Marc Adamus typed this himself:
8th of April 2007 (Sun), 15:13
I'll go over my web sharpening method first. This is very unconventional, but is now used by most people who I've showed it to. Use this technique to create ultra-sharp web sized images between 500 and 800 pixels.
- Take your full resolution image and reduce its size to between 1000 and 1500 pixels.
- Apply a "Sharpen" filter (easy, right?) two times.
- This creates a very noisy, oversharpened mid-size image.
- Reduce size again to the desired resolution, such as 700 pixels.
- And there you have it - ultra sharp appearance. But you have to make this work for each and every image. Some images require the "Sharpen filter" step at lower or higher resolutions, and occasionally, I will even apply this filter three times before reduction. Sometimes, slight additional adjustment to saturation levels is required post-sharpening. Other times, I will 'Lasso' specific areas that could benifit from further sharpening. Additionally, you can do touch-ups with a 'sharp brush'.
- This is the most effective method for web sharpening I have discovered, and basicly tricks PS into applying an ultra-fine USM.
Sharpening for print can require a different process. Here are some tips to keep in mind.
- I'm assuming most of you are only interested in sharpening methods for printing to ink papers or traditional photo papers, so I'll cover these.
- Always sharpen for the SIZE OF PRINT you are making. The amount of sharpening used for a 30x40 is not going to be the same as the amount used for an 8x12. When I process an image to print on my Epson at 8x12 inches, the very same image file would be very much oversharpened were I to use it later for a 30x40.
- Do not always sharpen the entire image uniformly, particularly if you feel noise or grain could be an issue in dark areas, skies or water. Make sure you are selecting the areas that need sharpening so you'll maintain a clean look. Click to 'print size', and then zoom in another click or two to give a rough idea of how much sharpening is required, and make sure you spot-check before sending it to the printer. Experiment! The fine-tuning of the printed image is a processing art unto itself.
- Some additional plug-ins that let you get the most out of your sharpening are PK Sharpener, and TLR pro sharpener (free download). Of course, go ahead and try my web-sharpen method here too. You might just be surprised at how well it works when the image is enlarged to double it's original resolution, and 'sharpen filtered' a few times before printing. Note that there is a full-resolution sample image available on my site in the "image quality" section.
I've never been one to take the textbook on PS for granted. I experiment, I invent, I do what works for me - or at least explore all my options first. Ask 10 different photographers and you'll get as many responses about sharpening for print. These are just some ideas to throw out there. |
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05/22/2010 07:23:42 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I tried it. Librodo sharpening is very subtle, but effective. Interesting. Thanks! |
It's really good for print. It may be too subtle for web, depending on size of displayed image. Adamus sharpening can be excellent for web, but it is useless for print.
Lesson to be learned:
Processing for DPC/800 pixels is completely different from processing for print display!
R. |
i thought that it would be good for web but not so good for print.
For web i usually sharpen with radius of 0.3 or around it depending on photograph. But if i were to print the same thing, i usually need higher radius than 0.3 , usually around 0.7 or 0.9 to get similar thing in print. (usually print sizes of 30cm wide).
But as you said sharpening for web and for print are entirely different things.
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05/22/2010 07:37:51 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by bob350:
Learning how to see. That has been my most important lesson.
Much of time we rush though life looking in a utilitarian way without allowing the details and ambiguities to enter awareness. That can change with practice. (Good exercise - without leaving a mundane situation, take five good pictures in an hour). Over time it becomes easier to notice the patterns of shadow, light, line, color, repetition, relationship, humor, and the unexpected beauty of every day life. It becomes easier to see instead of just look. This has made a big difference in the images I make.
When looking at such images, people say they are amazed by what they have missed right in front of their noses. They attribute this to some special power - a photographer's "eye". Maybe this could be a good ad in the back of a comic book: "Send in $1.00 and two box tops and learn how to amaze your friends." But it is more a matter of habit, attitude, and practice. Best of all, this enriches everyday life even without the camera. Truth is, I am often amazed at what I had been missing.
After that, master the mechanical aspects of the camera and post processing (still learning). |
this is probably the most important thing i also realized as a painter (and later as photog).
Artist sees things an ordinary guy would not standing at same place.
For photographer though things are lil bit complicated as many times he has to see things before they happen just because he has to click that moment and get ready for it to capture it.
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05/22/2010 08:07:08 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by bob350:
Learning how to see. That has been my most important lesson.
Much of time we rush though life looking in a utilitarian way without allowing the details and ambiguities to enter awareness. That can change with practice. (Good exercise - without leaving a mundane situation, take five good pictures in an hour). Over time it becomes easier to notice the patterns of shadow, light, line, color, repetition, relationship, humor, and the unexpected beauty of every day life. It becomes easier to see instead of just look. This has made a big difference in the images I make.
When looking at such images, people say they are amazed by what they have missed right in front of their noses. They attribute this to some special power - a photographer's "eye". Maybe this could be a good ad in the back of a comic book: "Send in $1.00 and two box tops and learn how to amaze your friends." But it is more a matter of habit, attitude, and practice. Best of all, this enriches everyday life even without the camera. Truth is, I am often amazed at what I had been missing.
After that, master the mechanical aspects of the camera and post processing (still learning). |
this is probably the most important thing i also realized as a painter (and later as photog).
Artist sees things an ordinary guy would not standing at same place.
For photographer though things are lil bit complicated as many times he has to see things before they happen just because he has to click that moment and get ready for it to capture it. |
So come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with antici... pation.
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05/22/2010 10:55:44 PM · #60 |
| Always zip up your camera bag... |
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05/22/2010 11:04:05 PM · #61 |
To keep at least 2 windows open when replying in forum. One for typing the reply, the others for searching hyperlinks and users, creating thumbnails etc
Message edited by author 2010-05-22 23:04:35. |
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05/22/2010 11:23:45 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by bob350:
Learning how to see. That has been my most important lesson.
Much of time we rush though life looking in a utilitarian way without allowing the details and ambiguities to enter awareness. That can change with practice. (Good exercise - without leaving a mundane situation, take five good pictures in an hour). Over time it becomes easier to notice the patterns of shadow, light, line, color, repetition, relationship, humor, and the unexpected beauty of every day life. It becomes easier to see instead of just look. This has made a big difference in the images I make.
When looking at such images, people say they are amazed by what they have missed right in front of their noses. They attribute this to some special power - a photographer's "eye". Maybe this could be a good ad in the back of a comic book: "Send in $1.00 and two box tops and learn how to amaze your friends." But it is more a matter of habit, attitude, and practice. Best of all, this enriches everyday life even without the camera. Truth is, I am often amazed at what I had been missing.
After that, master the mechanical aspects of the camera and post processing (still learning). |
this is probably the most important thing i also realized as a painter (and later as photog).
Artist sees things an ordinary guy would not standing at same place.
For photographer though things are lil bit complicated as many times he has to see things before they happen just because he has to click that moment and get ready for it to capture it. |
So come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with antici... pation. |
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