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 05/18/2010 06:11:53 PM · #26
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I may be wrong but I think he means the slider that selects the size of the area to be affected not radius of the effect, my only question with that approach is the control point typically fades out at the edges, in other words it may not be 100% on the outer edges.

While I don't see a difference between "the size of the area to be affected" and "radius of the effect," it doesn't matter. Either way is a selection, and selections are not allowed in Basic. Even if you dragged a Photoshop marquee to cover the entire image, making that selection is still illegal.
 05/18/2010 06:38:43 PM · #27
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I may be wrong but I think he means the slider that selects the size of the area to be affected not radius of the effect, my only question with that approach is the control point typically fades out at the edges, in other words it may not be 100% on the outer edges.

While I don't see a difference between "the size of the area to be affected" and "radius of the effect," it doesn't matter. Either way is a selection, and selections are not allowed in Basic. Even if you dragged a Photoshop marquee to cover the entire image, making that selection is still illegal.


I agree it should not be legal, my statement about size of the area and radius of the effect was more about some of the tools that use the term radius such as smart sharpen and how that radius is different from the radius of the selection point used on control points. The way control points work makes them very selective but also feathers the effect towards the outer edges of the ring which would be illegal. Hope that clears up what I tried to say, maybe not.....lol

05/18/2010 06:50:10 PM · #28
So Exposure Color Stretch, Crisp or Photo-Pop features in Topaz Adjust is ....legal or illegal? There are the pre-set settings but there is a slider for Regions....now I am confused been looking at several threads and the eyeballs are swimming (just don't ask in what ;-P )
 07/23/2010 11:03:30 PM · #29
ok, i read through this, and i am still unclear about "pseudo-HDR" in BASIC editing.

if i use a single HDR and let the software make a "fake" HDR from it, then tone map it, is that legal?

does it make a difference if the software takes one image and directly makes the HDR ("pseudo" HDR) or if it goes through the process of making several copies of the the image with different exposures to make the HDR ("real" HDR, but from a single capture)?

thanks,
-mefnj
 07/24/2010 12:35:25 AM · #30
Originally posted by mefnj:
ok, i read through this, and i am still unclear about "pseudo-HDR" in BASIC editing.

if i use a single HDR and let the software make a "fake" HDR from it, then tone map it, is that legal?

does it make a difference if the software takes one image and directly makes the HDR ("pseudo" HDR) or if it goes through the process of making several copies of the the image with different exposures to make the HDR ("real" HDR, but from a single capture)?

thanks,
-mefnj


You'll have to clarify what you're saying, as I'm not quite understanding you. What do you mean "use a single HDR"? Are you saying, begin with a Radiance HDR file or a single straight from camera RAW?
The legal approach for basic editing is tonemapping a single exposure. That is it. You cannot make a "pseudo HDR" (as I understand the term) by saving multiple exposures from a single RAW (meaning, you decrease/increase exposure after the fact) and then combine them.
You can, however, use various tools to make things APPEAR HDR- for instance, use of the clarify tool and shadow/highlight. You could also, for instance, go crazy with your microcontrast or ramp up the detail using Topaz Detail, and that would give what many consider the "HDR look."
Describing what software you're aiming to use would help things, but I'll tell you right off that if the software makes multiple exposures from a single file it isn't legal in Basic.
 07/24/2010 08:46:35 AM · #31
spiritualspatula,

thanks for the feedback, and sorry for any confusion.

using a program like Dynamic-Photo HDR, it gives you 2 options for creating an HDR from a single image.

1) In one it internally makes "copies" of the single file and changes their apparent exposures, then proceeds with the process as if there were actually more than one image.

2) the other option is "pseudo-HDR", which does NOT make multiple internal copies (as far as i can tell), and then allows a more limited set of adjustments to create the HDR look.

so, if i read your response correctly, then (1) would probably get me DQ-ed, but (2) would probably pass muster. i guess the caveat would be as long as it is not "overdone"?

-mefnj
 07/24/2010 09:56:21 AM · #32
Well, from my experience NIK Silver Efex's got me Dq's here's the Thread, I read and read this thread, as I was just trying Silver Efex for a couple of wks and was not very familiar with it, but I still miss understood...I only used one of the choices on the left column near the bottom, and I didn't know what a vignette was (I do now) and that was in the pre-applied choices...I didn't use any of the control points, I knew not to do that but I had thought that "all" the pre-programmed choices on the left were legal so beware.....and Posting #78 is mine in that thread above

Lesson Learned

07/25/2010 08:14:38 AM · #33
I know you are allowed to crop and rotate your photo, but are you allowed to flip it, just entered a photo into the shallow depth of field challenge that is flipped so i kneed to know, any help ?.
 07/25/2010 08:16:34 AM · #34
Originally posted by jagar:
I know you are allowed to crop and rotate your photo, but are you allowed to flip it, just entered a photo into the shallow depth of field challenge that is flipped so i kneed to know, any help ?.


sorry i mean the summertime meal challenge.
07/25/2010 09:30:55 AM · #35
IMO, basic editing should just be adjusting color tones, flipping cropping, rotating and remove some dust speckle removal. if you are using some plugins like topaz, you are using advanced software and thus its advanced editing.

not that i have anything against it, but there seems to be a major confusion about what is allowed is basic.

Message edited by author 2010-07-25 09:52:34.
 07/26/2010 01:08:46 AM · #36
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by jagar:
I know you are allowed to crop and rotate your photo, but are you allowed to flip it, just entered a photo into the shallow depth of field challenge that is flipped so i kneed to know, any help ?.


sorry i mean the summertime meal challenge.


Flipping is fine. You're okay.
 07/29/2010 09:29:29 PM · #37
This whole discussion has my head spinning!! I entered my first challenge last week with a "basic" edit. I only adjusted the contrast/brightness with level controls. Cropped the sucker. Finished up with a black border.

Now that I read all of this, I'm confused and wondering what I can and can't do. Am I allowed to apply a filter that effects the whole image in just one layer,etc,etc?

If I am...I would have taken the time to try out some different things. Yet, I kind of believe that you must have a great shot from the get go. Therefore, I don't know that any filter,topaz whatchamacallit,etc should be allowed. I use GIMP for all of my editing and am somewhat limited on all the fancy stuff PS users have.

I am also confused to the size that is allowed. I read on the rules that it can't be any larger than 800 on any side. Yet,some entries I see seem to be larger than that on a side.

Any and all clarifications would be greatly appreciated.

07/29/2010 09:40:27 PM · #38
Originally posted by Bkjeldgaard:
This whole discussion has my head spinning!! I entered my first challenge last week with a "basic" edit. I only adjusted the contrast/brightness with level controls. Cropped the sucker. Finished up with a black border.

Now that I read all of this, I'm confused and wondering what I can and can't do. Am I allowed to apply a filter that effects the whole image in just one layer,etc,etc?

If I am...I would have taken the time to try out some different things. Yet, I kind of believe that you must have a great shot from the get go. Therefore, I don't know that any filter,topaz whatchamacallit,etc should be allowed. I use GIMP for all of my editing and am somewhat limited on all the fancy stuff PS users have.

I am also confused to the size that is allowed. I read on the rules that it can't be any larger than 800 on any side. Yet,some entries I see seem to be larger than that on a side.

Any and all clarifications would be greatly appreciated.


Size for challenge entries is up to 800 pixels on a side, no less than 160, and up to 300kb. It is possible to upload larger pictures, but not for challenges.
Any filters that are used must be applied globally. This gets a bit tricky with some filters, so some caution is warranted (like the Silver Efex example with the vignette).
It's easier to say yay or nay on individual processes/filters.
Also, there's nothing wrong with not going crazy on editing, so don't feel as though you have to.
 07/26/2011 09:08:38 PM · #39
I this allowed in basic? My guess is no but I would like clarification.
//www.alienskin.com/bokeh/index.aspx
07/26/2011 09:21:21 PM · #40
Originally posted by Eagle40Fox2:
I this allowed in basic? My guess is no but I would like clarification.
//www.alienskin.com/bokeh/index.aspx


Absolutely not. IT applies its effects to specific areas of the image, not to the whole image. The vignette, for example, only darkens corners and you specify how far in you want it to go. Ditto for where the blur is placed etc. Definitely illegal in basic.

R.

Message edited by author 2011-07-26 21:44:40.
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