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 11/08/2004 01:39:42 AM · #1
I don't understand what the difference is between the current third place winner in the October Free Study and the original first place winner in the Window View challenge. IMHO they are the same and should be treated the same. In the Window View challenge, the photographer photoshopped in the window frame that was a major element in the photograph. In the October Free Study, the third place winner has photoshopped in a triptych effect which is a major element in the photograph. Please be consistent!
 11/08/2004 02:04:37 AM · #2
I will be curious how this will be answered. There must be a council meeting. Awaiting the spoke person. lol
 11/08/2004 02:33:34 AM · #3
A request for DQ was submitted during the challenge (I know, I submitted it.. sorry Brad!! :)).. and it was validated by the SC.

So, the answer you're going to get is that it's legal, end of story.
 11/08/2004 02:36:37 AM · #4
The photo was also validated prior to the challenge starting. The difference is that this is a simple border, not a major element in our opinions, whereas e301's winning photo was a full on painted window frame with lighting effects and the lot. Also, being in the 'Window Frame' challenge, we decided it was most definately a major element as without it it would have been 100% off topic and would probably not have come close to winning.
 11/08/2004 02:36:54 AM · #5

I always thought if a picture is validated that it will come up that it has ben validated in red.
 11/08/2004 02:38:21 AM · #6
Originally posted by keegbow:
I always thought if a picture is validated that it will come up that it has ben validated in red.


Only if the SC feel that people will vote it down due to illegal editing. If someone submits proof early due to being on holiday, or something like that, and the shot is validated, no admin note is added.
 11/08/2004 02:39:33 AM · #7
Cue - a million dyptich/triptych borders with magical NeatImage fx and ultraburning in every challenge! :D
 11/08/2004 02:45:42 AM · #8
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Cue - a million dyptich/triptych borders with magical NeatImage fx and ultraburning in every challenge! :D


Indeed, another step towards photography second, photoshop first contests.

I think that another level of editing rules needs to be intoduced before we lose the pure photography input even more.
 11/08/2004 02:46:30 AM · #9
How is adding a border taking anything away from the photography?
 11/08/2004 02:49:36 AM · #10
May I just correct the point that my window frame was 'full-on' painted-in. It wasn't, it was done only with brightness/contrast adjustments, and gaussian blur - it was the blur that gave the 'lighting effects'. I'm disappointed that a member of the SC believes that about that shot.

Congratulations on your blue, Ben.

Ed
 11/08/2004 02:51:10 AM · #11
well as much as i like the picture, i have to agree that the border is the thing that makes the picture so special. I doubt it would have ribboned without it.
 11/08/2004 02:51:34 AM · #12
Originally posted by e301:
May I just correct the point that my window frame was 'full-on' painted-in. It wasn't, it was done only with brightness/contrast adjustments, and gaussian blur - it was the blur that gave the 'lighting effects'. I'm disappointed that a member of the SC believes that about that shot.

Congratulations on your blue, Ben.

Ed


I was just talking about the end result, not the way it was done. The method may well have been legal but the result was not.

Danke :)
 11/08/2004 02:51:59 AM · #13
Even though i think it feels a fair bit like too much editing... i agree with konador...
if regular blackroom practises.. making a triptych of a photo would be EXTREMEMLY simple.. just lay down the right frame.... just as easy as a simple contrast change....
11/08/2004 02:55:36 AM · #14
In Ed's defence, his border simply put the technique (that was technically legal anyway) to effective, creative use.

You could hardly say that the triptych border has not played a major role in Brad's shot. Just look at all the comments from confused voters who have perceived it as uniquely 'illegal' and therefore assumed that they themselves could not do it.
 11/08/2004 02:59:22 AM · #15
Originally posted by Konador:
How is adding a border taking anything away from the photography?


For me, and I fully accept that I may be in the minority, it's not just the border, it's the general feeling that there is a move towards effects rather than good photography.

As Jon (Imagineer) commented, this will provoke an influx of similar shot, the problem is that people are not looking to good photography for inspiration, rather they are looking for effects that look 'cool' and thus win votes. This issue is what prompted my mention of photography coming second.
 11/08/2004 03:17:05 AM · #16
Originally posted by Konador:
I was just talking about the end result, not the way it was done. The method may well have been legal but the result was not.


That is my point... I first saw this piece when I got home after shooting the aurora. My immediate reaction was wow that's cool, but not because it's a great photo, don't get me wrong, it is! Rather it's the artificial framing that gives it it's pop. IMHO that goes against the spirit of...
 11/08/2004 03:21:14 AM · #17
99% of frames on dpc are artificial, its just that they simply go around the image rather than through. In e301's case the editing was part of the actual photo, but in this case it's just a border.
 11/08/2004 03:35:14 AM · #18
Originally posted by Konador:
99% of frames on dpc are artificial, its just that they simply go around the image rather than through. In e301's case the editing was part of the actual photo, but in this case it's just a border.


I think that most people would believe that two vertical lines in a picture that is predominately horizontal lines is not just a border but infact a large enhancement to the image.
Not wanting to whinge because the image was very good but it was helped by that frame, who cares life goes on and at least we all know where we stand.
 11/08/2004 03:37:53 AM · #19
Does this mean we'll see entries like:

Edit: removed images

Message edited by author 2005-01-08 03:36:46.
 11/08/2004 05:17:34 AM · #20
When I saw the image during voting, I almost sent in a DQ request. (I didn't only because I was on my way out the door and didn't want to spend the time doing so at that moment -- then never got back to it). When I saw it placed my first thought was, "PS won another one. :("

Don't get me wrong, I understand the arguement; and even put it forward to myself before seeing this thread -- 'Ed's frame was placed in it with the intention of it becoming an element of the image, while Brad's frame is not.' But, I very firmly hold the opinion, 'The image should stand and be judged on its own merits.'

Most frames serve to contain the image; isolating it from the 'wall' -- but this frame does not leave the image to be judged on its own, it divides it into three compositionally sound sub-images. Well, mostly compositionally sound, the left-most third is weaker than the ohter two thirds when viewed by itself. It is my opinion this 'framing' of the image resulted in strong composition elements from an image that appears to be much weaker compositionally without it. The frame just adds too much to the over-all image.

Sorry Brad, but for what its worth, I think you went to far with this one -- with the frame as well as the over use of saturation and neatimage. But the frame is the subject of this thread so I will stick to that.

David
 11/08/2004 06:24:06 AM · #21


I don't remember any threads like this when the above photo got 3rd place. The only extra rules in that challenge were that text was allowed, nothing else about frames etc.
11/08/2004 06:35:17 AM · #22
Good point. DQ it!

:D
 11/08/2004 06:58:46 AM · #23
Originally posted by Konador:

I don't remember any threads like this when the above photo got 3rd place. The only extra rules in that challenge were that text was allowed, nothing else about frames etc.



That's because the sky wasn't falling then, whilst it's clearly falling now. The floodgates of photoshopped frames are open. Clearly frames have everything to do with how good a photo is, and thus everyone will have custom frames and the place will be a mess.


This same exact argument was brought up when frames were first allowed. Moreso, everytime something even slightly out of the ordinary wins a ribbon, it seems the same people are up in arms about whether it's legal or not. Maybe if these people spent more time taking photos and less time arguing, they'd win as well?

11/08/2004 07:08:59 AM · #24
I kinda disagree, in the window view the major element whas supose to be an element in the image one that whas supose to be photographed, while here this is just a frame that has nothing to interfeer with the image, it might enhance the impact, but nothing whas added to the subject photographed itself. So there is this major difference between this and the one in window view. Frames are legal and I didn't read anywhere that they should be only simple frames.
 11/08/2004 07:25:48 AM · #25

This was dq'd because it went beyond a simple frame. Why is Brad's frame different in spirit than this? Actually, I think the intent of the picture was changed more so than in the above example. But, I guess what everyone is saying is they want some consistency from the sc. If they think this picture is ok, then they can't dq people in the future for doing something like dwoolridge posted as long as the picture is not changed under the border.
This would apply to open challenges also. Got some areas that you don't like and can't edit them out. No problem, add a unique border.
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