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11/01/2004 11:55:37 PM · #51

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

THEY are the ones that need to adjust to OUR country and traditions. Not the other way around. This country was founded on Christianity so it should stay that way.

Amen.

GeneralE

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11/01/2004 11:57:00 PM · #52

Originally posted by dsmboostaholic:

Originally posted by MadMordegon:
[quote=frychikn] Not to mention the impediments on science and rational thinking it creates.

Science? example please cuz.

Ever hear of Galileo? Or embryonic stem-cell research?

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 23:57:26.

joshua

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11/02/2004 12:00:40 AM · #53

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by dsmboostaholic:

Originally posted by MadMordegon:
[quote=frychikn] Not to mention the impediments on science and rational thinking it creates.

Science? example please cuz.

Ever hear of Galileo? Or embryonic stem-cell research?

the ultimate purpose of science is to prove that there is a higher being in control of it all. same for rational thought

11/02/2004 12:07:10 AM · #54

Originally posted by achiral:

the ultimate purpose of science is to prove that there is a higher being in control of it all. same for rational thought

hmmmmmm, I would have said the exact opposite.

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11/02/2004 12:27:08 AM · #55

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ever hear of Galileo? Or embryonic stem-cell research?

sure I have, but I see no value in them. Galileo was, scripture is. stem-cells could be a means but are not the answer.

Man will always attempt to provide a logical reason for human existence, yet as to date, NO scientific data has been provided.

I believe life has more value than anything. to create a life to save a life is moving backwards.

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11/02/2004 12:27:44 AM · #56

Not quite true, but I know what you mean. More accurately, science just seeks the truth. If we could use a scientific method to prove the existence of God, so be it. Until we see some evidence, those of us who follow a scientific method in approaching large questions like this will remain agnostic (not athiest, there's a difference!). Personally I think religion has important cultural value, and faith in something is very complex and has its own virtues. When it gets into the hands of the zealots (and those who believe, for instance, that a document written by contracted poets is 'truth' word-for-word) is when we get in trouble. Large parts of religious tale and tradition is, we could certainly argue, metaphoric.

Originally posted by achiral:

the ultimate purpose of science is to prove that there is a higher being in control of it all. same for rational thought

Message edited by author 2004-11-02 00:28:17.

myqyl

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11/02/2004 12:28:03 AM · #57

A little knowledge of science will prove conclusively that God does not exist... An in-depth understanding of science will prove conclusively that God does exist...

ClubJuggle

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11/02/2004 12:30:09 AM · #58

My personal belief is that God created a universe that behaves according to certain rules. I view Science as a quest to understand those rules, and in doing so, to better understand God.

-Terry

myqyl

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11/02/2004 12:34:54 AM · #59

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

My personal belief is that God created a universe that behaves according to certain rules. I view Science as a quest to understand those rules, and in doing so, to better understand God.

-Terry

Hear, hear... The answer is pi :)

Random chance could never created such a perfect number as pi

11/02/2004 12:35:03 AM · #60

Originally posted by myqyl:

A little knowledge of science will prove conclusively that God does not exist... An in-depth understanding of science will prove conclusively that God does exist...

there is an offer online, I think $250,000 now, to anyone who can give one shred of scientific proof of evolution. macro not micro that is.

dwoolridge

11/02/2004 12:36:08 AM · #61

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

My personal belief is that God created a universe that behaves according to certain rules. I view Science as a quest to understand those rules, and in doing so, to better understand God.

And along came GÃ¶del...

:-)

cpanaioti

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11/02/2004 12:41:50 AM · #62

Originally posted by garrywhite2:

I am repulsed by any religion that promotes violence.

Which religion promotes violence? I don't believe any of them do. The radicals try and relate their actions to something in the Koran or the Torah(?) or the bible for that matter but it's not the religion that promotes violence it's the person's involved using religion as an excuse for violence. Big difference.

ChrisW123

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11/02/2004 12:43:20 AM · #63

Originally posted by dsmboostaholic:

Man will always attempt to provide a logical reason for human existence, yet as to date, NO scientific data has been provided.

There is scientific evidence of the creation of the Universe, including "man" on this tiny planet we live on. Scientists can trace the origin of the Universe (15 billion years of evolution) back to about 1 billionth of a second. That's a fact.

They can't explain anything before that 1/1000000000 of a second however. We are still learning. :) Evolution of the Universe is a fact and no thinking or knowledgable person can contradict this.

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11/02/2004 12:43:28 AM · #64

How is it that the Ten Commandments state: "Thou Shalt Not kill" but there seems to be so many Judeo/Christians who are so preoccupied with enemies in the name of their religion? Why can't they just leave other people to their own beliefs without having to change them?

ChrisW123

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11/02/2004 12:48:55 AM · #65

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Which Christains are trying to change other people? Names, orgainizations, and acts please. And put it into context with similar acts on the other religons' side. Waging an assult on Christianity in an unfair way shows that you are biased.

GeneralE

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11/02/2004 12:49:22 AM · #66

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by garrywhite2:

I am repulsed by any religion that promotes violence.

Which religion promotes violence? I don't believe any of them do.

The Spanish Inquisition was pretty violent. To subjugate a people, deny the validity of their civilization, culture, and religion, and kill them if they refuse to changeand adopt the conqueror's paradigm seems violent to me; this seems to be the SOP of most missionary sects.

cpanaioti

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11/02/2004 12:50:35 AM · #67

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by garrywhite2:

I am repulsed by any religion that promotes violence.

Which religion promotes violence? I don't believe any of them do.

The Spanish Inquisition was pretty violent. To subjugate a people, deny the validity of their civilization, culture, and religion, and kill them if they refuse to changeand adopt the conqueror's paradigm seems violent to me; this seems to be the SOP of most missionary sects.

Like I said, religion is being used as an excuse for violence. The religion itself does not promote violence.

11/02/2004 12:50:38 AM · #68

I do see religion as a means of dealing with the ultimate issues of our aloneness in the universe (as far as we now know) and the anxiety produced by this and that fact that we have no definitive answers for the deeper questions of life.

11/02/2004 01:00:02 AM · #69

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Evolution of the Universe is a fact and no thinking or knowledgable person can contradict this.

so anyone who contradicts your "facts" is unknowledgeable?? you see your science, is like the Matrix....haha i know, its man made and will always be limited to mans understanding of what is. just ask yourself what was here before earth?, and before that? and before that? yadda yadda yadda, man has NO conception of eternity.

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11/02/2004 01:02:36 AM · #70

But I'm not sure this is a good thing as it takes us farther from the nature of the universe, our own true nature, and really wanting to know the nature of our neighbor, and understanding him/her.

ChrisW123

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11/02/2004 01:05:53 AM · #71

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Bingo. Religion attempts to answer the questions we can't explain right now. This isn't necessarily bad however. It's normal. Religon basically is the "answer" in a life where there are doubts and unexplained things. The "answers" that religion offers helps people deal with what they have, in a lot of ways. If you are afraid of dying, religion comforts you by telling you that you will go to Heaven after you dye, and/or be re-incarnated in another life and will see your loved ones again. This is the most important plus. It helps people deal with life (and death). Nothing wrong with that.

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11/02/2004 01:06:38 AM · #72

ahhhhh i could do this all night. but gots got get up and vote......

goodnight all, may the best man win on the big day.

GeneralE

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11/02/2004 01:08:25 AM · #73

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by garrywhite2:

I am repulsed by any religion that promotes violence.

Which religion promotes violence? I don't believe any of them do.

The Spanish Inquisition was pretty violent. To subjugate a people, deny the validity of their civilization, culture, and religion, and kill them if they refuse to changeand adopt the conqueror's paradigm seems violent to me; this seems to be the SOP of most missionary sects.

Like I said, religion is being used as an excuse for violence. The religion itself does not promote violence.

Is there a practical difference? It was the organizational structure which promoted violence. I would be happy for each person to practice their own religion independently. As soon as two or more people get together and create an organization to promote that religion you get trouble.

Message edited by author 2004-11-02 01:08:59.