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 10/29/2004 07:00:08 PM · #26
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by Travis99:
Originally posted by ellamay:
Originally posted by Travis99:
change your color settings from defult to adobe 1998


I am working on a mac should I use the mac rgb setting? Is this why when I save my work in PS everything jumps WAY bright when I upload?


Yes


There is more than a single Mac option though, depending on monitor, I suppose. Mine shows "Apple RGB" and "Monitor eMac RGB". On an eMac, would it be better to choose one over the other?


I doubled checked my book, chnage to adobe 1998 not the mac setting.

now click on the eyedropper tool and change the options to 3x3 average.

now open a photo, open curves box

now double click the dropper that is half black

for r enter 20
for g enter 20
for b enter 20

click ok

now double click the dropper thats filled with half white

for r enter 240
for g enter 240
for b enter 240

click ok

now double click the dropper in the middle

for r enter 128
for g enter 128
for b enter 128

click ok

then click ok in curves box
yes, save as default

then in the photo open curves box again
click the half black dropper, and click in the darkest aera of the photo
click the half white dropper, and click in the whitest or brightest aera of your photo
click the middle dropper, and click the most neutral grey in the photo
then click ok.

here is and example

unedited


edited with curves and crop

10/29/2004 07:24:42 PM · #27
Before you go taking glib advice (including my own) and go astray of sRGB, read the following book:

Real World Color Management

If your capture format is JPEG (in Adobe RGB) or RAW (with a conversion to non-sRGB), and you want to throw your images online, stop what you are doing and read that book first. If you don't want to read the book and just want to be told what to do, switch back to sRGB and pretend there is no issue. Otherwise, search the forums: this has been discussed often and in greater depth, not only on DPC but elsewhere.

To return this thread back to its intended purpose, I'll add that one does not need to switch to Lab mode to get luminosity sharpening. Just apply USM as you normally would and use the Edit->Fade menu in Luminosity mode. This has the advantage of avoiding the [u]slightly[/b] color-destructive nature of Lab conversions.
 10/29/2004 07:29:28 PM · #28
glib. i think not. This information is from The Photoshop cs Book for digital photographers. By Scott Kelby

You can see the results for yourself.


10/29/2004 07:40:47 PM · #29
Originally posted by Travis99:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by Travis99:
Originally posted by ellamay:
Originally posted by Travis99:
change your color settings from defult to adobe 1998


I am working on a mac should I use the mac rgb setting? Is this why when I save my work in PS everything jumps WAY bright when I upload?


Yes


There is more than a single Mac option though, depending on monitor, I suppose. Mine shows "Apple RGB" and "Monitor eMac RGB". On an eMac, would it be better to choose one over the other?


I doubled checked my book, chnage to adobe 1998 not the mac setting...


When I change to adobe 1998 the following dialog appears: Ebedded Profile Mismatch
The document "IMG_1010.JPG" has an embedded color profile that does not match the current RGB working space. The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.

Embedded: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
 10/29/2004 07:50:17 PM · #30
edit

color settings

change rbg to off
change cmyk to preserve embedded profile
change grey to preserve embedded profile


10/29/2004 07:52:06 PM · #31
Originally posted by Travis99:
glib. i think not. This information is from The Photoshop cs Book for digital photographers. By Scott Kelby

I know, I have this book. Glib in all its fullness. You have pared down two separate sections of advice and combined them. Kelby does not attempt to tackle the color management issue, but makes a sweeping recommendation without the necessary follow-through. It's a bit of disservice, but understandable given the target audience.

Originally posted by Travis99:
You can see the results for yourself.

The results I see are people posting questions about why their images change color after uploading or viewing in some other app. The result of similarly glib advice.
 10/29/2004 07:56:33 PM · #32
For an intro to layers, at least in Photoshop CS, the

Help Menu -> How to Work with Layers and Selections

can be a good start.
 10/29/2004 07:58:41 PM · #33
Originally posted by Travis99:
edit

color settings

change rbg to off


Please stop. You are now doing a disservice to the DPC community. Unless all your images use a single profile (embedded or otherwise), this advice will lead to Very Bad Things.
 10/29/2004 07:59:49 PM · #34
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
...I see are people posting questions about why their images change color after uploading or viewing in some other app...


Actually, what is happening is that ellamay's and my images change after saving for web in Photoshop. There are no drastic changes when uploading or viewing in some other app.
 10/29/2004 08:01:44 PM · #35
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Actually, what is happening is that ellamay's and my images change after saving for web in Photoshop. There are no drastic changes when uploading or viewing in some other app.

All likely related to the same thing. You start in Adobe RGB, edit to your hearts content, then use save for web, yes? No profile conversion?
 10/29/2004 08:03:12 PM · #36
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Originally posted by Travis99:
glib. i think not. This information is from The Photoshop cs Book for digital photographers. By Scott Kelby

I know, I have this book. Glib in all its fullness. You have pared down two separate sections of advice and combined them. Kelby does not attempt to tackle the color management issue, but makes a sweeping recommendation without the necessary follow-through. It's a bit of disservice, but understandable given the target audience.

Originally posted by Travis99:
You can see the results for yourself.

The results I see are people posting questions about why their images change color after uploading or viewing in some other app. The result of similarly glib advice.


Kelby's advice to use Adobe RGB is a good one, except when dealing with web images. If your images are targeted for the web, use sRGB. I'm unsure of the science, but Adobe RGB images can end up looking washed out.
 10/29/2004 08:05:17 PM · #37
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Originally posted by Travis99:
edit

color settings

change rbg to off


Please stop. You are now doing a disservice to the DPC community. Unless all your images use a single profile (embedded or otherwise), this advice will lead to Very Bad Things.


I have edited plenty of images, with this setting. I have never had a problem. All my photos seem to have great color correction when I am finished.
10/29/2004 08:06:04 PM · #38
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Kelby's advice to use Adobe RGB is a good one, except when dealing with web images. If your images are targeted for the web, use sRGB. I'm unsure of the science, but Adobe RGB images can end up looking washed out.


I never said Kelby's advice wasn't good and it is certainly well-intentioned, but it's not sufficient. It's not as simple as "use X" or "use Y". You really don't have to make choices like that. You can edit in Adobe RGB and still get your web output to look as intended.
 10/29/2004 08:06:40 PM · #39
Originally posted by Travis99:
I have edited plenty of images, with this setting. I have never had a problem. All my photos seem to have great color correction when I am finished.

This isn't about color correction (not in the way you're using it). The problem domain is different than what you seem to understand it to be.

Message edited by author 2004-10-29 20:06:57.
 10/29/2004 08:09:53 PM · #40
It must be. I geuss I was thinking more about printing images, than looking at them on the web. Then again how many people have monitors in 5x7 frames on there mantle?

Message edited by author 2004-10-29 20:12:58.
 10/29/2004 08:43:42 PM · #41
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Actually, what is happening is that ellamay's and my images change after saving for web in Photoshop. There are no drastic changes when uploading or viewing in some other app.

All likely related to the same thing. You start in Adobe RGB, edit to your hearts content, then use save for web, yes? No profile conversion?


Correction, I described symptons I derived from Photoshop Elements with "No Color Management" selected (quite unlike ellamay's parameters). I will be quiet for a while until I conduct some experiments with Photoshop CS. Nevertheless, I'm grateful for the well-intended help so far.
 10/29/2004 09:25:09 PM · #42
thanks for this thread!
This would be a great website suggestion to create a category for the forums!
 10/29/2004 09:25:58 PM · #43
thanks for the tip.... just got photoshop cs but its totally foreign to me. yip, could just as well not have it at all. with the help of kind, sharing and caring people we, the new ones can actually learn so much.
 10/29/2004 10:30:16 PM · #44
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Kelby's advice to use Adobe RGB is a good one, except when dealing with web images. If your images are targeted for the web, use sRGB. I'm unsure of the science, but Adobe RGB images can end up looking washed out.


I never said Kelby's advice wasn't good and it is certainly well-intentioned, but it's not sufficient. It's not as simple as "use X" or "use Y". You really don't have to make choices like that. You can edit in Adobe RGB and still get your web output to look as intended.


Actually, if you read Kelby's book, he essentially says 'sRGB is terrible for photo editing' which is true. He also suggests switching to AdobeRGB as a working space. Which is also good advice - if done correctly. He then points out that this is only a good idea for print output. Which is also true. He totally drops the ball on what to do once you've switched to AdobeRGB, even to the point of suggesting providing web proofs for clients, still in adobeRGB. Presumably, you are supposed to realise that the AdobeRGB comment was just for print output, as vaguely mentioned in the short chapter on colour correction. It is faintly bizzare and have seen that commented upon by a few Adobe employees. But the book is very light on detail and full of ideas cribbed from other authors - glib is quite a correct term, I feel.

My suggestions on colour management, based on a lot of reading, a lot of experimenting and a reasonable working knowledge of colour management systems is:

Ignore it if your monitor isn't profiled. Don't even bother.
You have zero idea what the colours are anyway, so there is no point messing around with colour management. Use the defaults. Leave it in sRGB. AdobeRGB will just screw you up one way or another. The colour in your images will be just as controlled with or without bothering about it. If you are happy with your results - fantastic. There is no reason to pay for a monitor profiling tool or waste your life with the complexity of colour management, if you are getting results that you are happy with. Don't be fooled by the hype.

But what if you are not happy ? First step is to profile your monitor.
Just like setting the 0 point on a set of scales, you can't make a measurement without knowing where you are starting from.

If your monitor is profiled - great! Now you have an actual idea on what the colour is that you are looking at. Your display/Monitor profile should be that colour profile that you have created. Your working space should be AdobeRGB. You should convert conciously to an output colour space, using the rendering intent that you have deliberately selected that suits your image. Best options are perceptual or relative colourmetric. The other two options (saturation and absolute colourmetric) don't make a whole lot of sense for photographs. Use black point compensation.
Don't assign profiles to anything, until you are certain that is what you want to do. Typically you want to be converting from a colour space to another. Assigning a profile entirely ignores the original colour space - throwing it away. Use dither. Use the Adobe Color Engine (ACE)

Print in AdobeRGB space, if you don't have a profile for your output device, or know that sRGB matches it well. Use sRGB for web output. Use profiles for output devices if they are available. But don't bother if your monitor isn't profiled, or you used Adobe gamma. Colour management isn't worth the trouble to do half heartedly. Your pictures will look roughly as good anyway, if your monitor isn't profiled.

There are other spaces and they can be useful when used correctly, like ProPhoto, but I'd save that until you know what you are doing - there are plenty of good resources.

This is a really glib treatment of the subject, but should at least point in the right general direction.

Message edited by author 2004-10-30 13:04:03.
 04/13/2005 04:57:54 PM · #45
CARTOON EFFECT
So here it is it's the finest i found.
*Open image any you like
*Gaussion Blurr (Fitler>blurr>Gaussion Blurr) use a little about 19%
but you can change since it gives diferent effects.
*No go (edit>fade gaussion blurr) change the mode to darken.

There you go it's that simple. :) hope you enjoy.
 06/21/2005 05:18:35 PM · #46
For the sake of starting a new thread. Does anyone know how to add a copyright to a photo without putting a border on it in clear text and how to make it a action so I can do it easy everytime?
 06/21/2005 06:01:37 PM · #47
Originally posted by rex:
For the sake of starting a new thread. Does anyone know how to add a copyright to a photo without putting a border on it in clear text and how to make it a action so I can do it easy everytime?


Add a text layer and position it whereever you want in the image.
 06/21/2005 06:03:11 PM · #48
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by rex:
For the sake of starting a new thread. Does anyone know how to add a copyright to a photo without putting a border on it in clear text and how to make it a action so I can do it easy everytime?


Add a text layer and position it whereever you want in the image.


Rex goes DOH! and smacks forehead.
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