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10/26/2004 01:51:04 PM · #26 |
I think that if we want to stay close to Nuno's suggestion of finding the beauty in "larger" people then we might want to call the challenge "Rubenesque" as previously suggested. Using "Eye of the Beholder", which is a great challenge in itself, paints with a much broader brush. As described, finding beauty in something one would not normally think is beautiful, I doubt we would stick close to the original suggestion. Just my humble opinion.
BTW - this is the Webster def:
Ru·ben·esque
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or suggestive of the painter Rubens or his works; especially : plump or rounded usually in a pleasing or attractive way
J.B. |
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10/26/2004 02:15:00 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Why not just have an oxymoron challenge! (Just kidding! Don't throw donuts at me...) |
Who are you calling an Oxy Moron?? Sorry, misread it...an oxymoron, I know what it means, just I can't access it in my memory databank? I'm having an intellectual interlude at this moment in time. |
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10/26/2004 02:22:44 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
...an oxymoron, I know what it means, just I can't access it in my memory databank? I'm having an intellectual interlude at this moment in time. |
Think of an oxymoron as two contradicting things in the same phrase, word, or statement... my favorites are "civil war" (how can war be civil), and "postal service" (you can figure that out with no explanation). LOL ;o)
I only hope that TooCool wasn't saying that "beautiful fat people" was an oxymoron...because that would really be mean. |
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10/26/2004 02:27:27 PM · #29 |
Well, not every "fat" person is obese, some are just overweight which also is a medical term.
ANywho, I like the idea of this challenge.
June
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10/26/2004 02:36:39 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
...an oxymoron, I know what it means, just I can't access it in my memory databank? I'm having an intellectual interlude at this moment in time. |
Think of an oxymoron as two contradicting things in the same phrase, word, or statement... my favorites are "civil war" (how can war be civil), and "postal service" (you can figure that out with no explanation). LOL ;o)
I only hope that TooCool wasn't saying that "beautiful fat people" was an oxymoron...because that would really be mean. |
Think I was right the first time, I'm just a Poxy Moron!! |
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10/26/2004 02:41:45 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Tranquil:
The Eye's Beholder - Find beauty in something one would not normally think is beautiful. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." |
Err - someone in a thread called me the resident poet. I might as well live up to the image ...... so..
BEAUTY (A Sonnet)
Beauty is a bearing that we portray.
No predetermined sort of build, size, height
or ‘surfacy’ shape owns it – as some say.
It includes inner grace and poise and light.
Perhaps seen in a gesture, kind face, eye,
stance, or curve; heard in words, or voice. Or felt
by presence or touch. Yet, one can̢۪t deny,
‘beauty’ to the beholder’s mind is dealt
as a reflection of their thoughts - and why
each expression of its essence must be
as far ranging. Therefore beauty must lie
in each person for the right mind to see.
And one that perceives it not at first chance
may be held in rapture on second glance.
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10/26/2004 02:57:00 PM · #32 |
| Oops. Killed a thread. Sorrreeeee :( |
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10/26/2004 03:39:44 PM · #33 |
I don't agree with this statement:
"You belive that sensualety is only present in anoretic "
This is a very judgemental comment...and defintaly biased and defensive.
I see no problem with shooting people with "curves" but the fact that I shoot slim people should not be subject to criticism. |
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10/26/2004 03:51:25 PM · #34 |
I really would not like to see this as a challenge.
People vote partly on the quality of the photo and partly on it's individual appeal, I personally much prefer large women to the factory produced barbie wannabies that we see every day, and would thus vote higher on such pics that reflected my desires, this would be unfair to people that took pics of anything that I personally don't find as appealing.
I just don't see how a challenge like this could be a success. The forums would be full of disappointment and disagreement. Why not have a politics, or religion based challenge?
Darren
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10/26/2004 03:55:12 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
I don't agree with this statement:
"You belive that sensualety is only present in anoretic "
This is a very judgemental comment...and defintaly biased and defensive.
I see no problem with shooting people with "curves" but the fact that I shoot slim people should not be subject to criticism. |
I don't think anyone was being critisized. It's just that the general public, prefers to see woman that are on the sickly side of thin. Look at all the models in the magazines, and the fact that not one feature is reall on thes beautiful women. Even the models who are gorgeous in their own rights are airbrushed! No wrinkle, no bump of fat, no hair out of place. It's unrealistic and damaging to the psychie of children.
Now I don't think that this thread was ment to start a debate on the rights and wrongs of society.
Just take a picture of someone that the general public doesn't normally view as beautiful, and overweight people fall into that category.
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10/26/2004 03:57:36 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by colda:
I really would not like to see this as a challenge.
People vote partly on the quality of the photo and partly on it's individual appeal, I personally much prefer large women to the factory produced barbie wannabies that we see every day, and would thus vote higher on such pics that reflected my desires, this would be unfair to people that took pics of anything that I personally don't find as appealing.
I just don't see how a challenge like this could be a success. The forums would be full of disappointment and disagreement. Why not have a politics, or religion based challenge?
Darren |
I don't know where you hang out... but I see a lot more overweight people in one day than I see "barbie wannabies" as you put it. BUT just like there are some really un-apealing thin people, there are some un-apealing "larger" people... it's not about being one or the other....but about being "beautiful" regardless. |
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10/26/2004 03:58:47 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by colda:
Why not have a politics, or religion based challenge?
Darren |
For the same reasons you just mentioned. Disagreements and arguments. But We could post it to a thread here, I think...there will still be disagreements and arguments, but at least it won't cost someone votes.
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10/26/2004 04:00:40 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Originally posted by colda:
I really would not like to see this as a challenge.
People vote partly on the quality of the photo and partly on it's individual appeal, I personally much prefer large women to the factory produced barbie wannabies that we see every day, and would thus vote higher on such pics that reflected my desires, this would be unfair to people that took pics of anything that I personally don't find as appealing.
I just don't see how a challenge like this could be a success. The forums would be full of disappointment and disagreement. Why not have a politics, or religion based challenge?
Darren |
I don't know where you hang out... but I see a lot more overweight people in one day than I see "barbie wannabies" as you put it. BUT just like there are some really un-apealing thin people, there are some un-apealing "larger" people... it's not about being one or the other....but about being "beautiful" regardless. |
Sorry Gil, I did not make myself very clear, I meant what we see in the media on a daily basis, how society tries to dictate how we should be.
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10/26/2004 04:01:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by atsxus:
Originally posted by colda:
Why not have a politics, or religion based challenge?
Darren |
For the same reasons you just mentioned. Disagreements and arguments. But We could post it to a thread here, I think...there will still be disagreements and arguments, but at least it won't cost someone votes. |
It was sarcasm ;)
Agreed, it would be great to see peoples interpretation of beauty - and keeping it in a thread is an excellent idea - now I've just gotta get my wife to pose ;)
Edit: completed post
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 16:03:08.
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10/26/2004 04:03:28 PM · #40 |
| Colda, on this regard you are most right, "thin" sells...it's not an accurate depection of society and I personally think that this is why it does sell.. |
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10/26/2004 04:10:46 PM · #41 |
Personally, I find health attractive. That means that underweight or overweight people seem less 'physically' beautiful to me (which is fine since physical beauty shouldn't have as high of a priority as the media tells us it should anyhow)....
I find it strange that we would create a challenge to address only one aspect of what makes people less physically beautiful...
What about my big nose? Or my thick eyebrows bordering on unibrow? Or the weird mole on my neck? Or my yellowing teeth?
Why make it about weight only? I'm confused about the whole thing...
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 16:11:47.
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10/26/2004 04:18:44 PM · #42 |
I absolutely agree with this statement. I love the idea of this challenge as presented...pictures of overweight PEOPLE portraying them as beautiful and worthy, not just punchlines to a joke.
If you widen the description to "Eye of the Beholder" or something similar, you will get many pictures of inanimate objects (old farmhouses/machinary, modern-art sculptures, etc) or animals ("ugly" mutts, insects, etc) and the theme of the suggested challenge will be all but lost.
I think pinpointing the topic so precisely adds to the challenge aspect of the challenge and the results could be very moving and motivating.
Patty
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I think that if we want to stay close to Nuno's suggestion of finding the beauty in "larger" people then we might want to call the challenge "Rubenesque" as previously suggested. Using "Eye of the Beholder", which is a great challenge in itself, paints with a much broader brush. As described, finding beauty in something one would not normally think is beautiful, I doubt we would stick close to the original suggestion. Just my humble opinion.
BTW - this is the Webster def:
Ru·ben·esque
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or suggestive of the painter Rubens or his works; especially : plump or rounded usually in a pleasing or attractive way
J.B. |
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10/26/2004 04:21:23 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Pidd:
I absolutely agree with this statement. I love the idea of this challenge as presented...pictures of overweight PEOPLE portraying them as beautiful and worthy, not just punchlines to a joke.
If you widen the description to "Eye of the Beholder" or something similar, you will get many pictures of inanimate objects (old farmhouses/machinary, modern-art sculptures, etc) or animals ("ugly" mutts, insects, etc) and the theme of the suggested challenge will be all but lost.
I think pinpointing the topic so precisely adds to the challenge aspect of the challenge and the results could be very moving and motivating.
Patty
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I think that if we want to stay close to Nuno's suggestion of finding the beauty in "larger" people then we might want to call the challenge "Rubenesque" as previously suggested. Using "Eye of the Beholder", which is a great challenge in itself, paints with a much broader brush. As described, finding beauty in something one would not normally think is beautiful, I doubt we would stick close to the original suggestion. Just my humble opinion.
BTW - this is the Webster def:
Ru·ben·esque
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or suggestive of the painter Rubens or his works; especially : plump or rounded usually in a pleasing or attractive way
J.B. |
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nope, still think it's a bad idea - i'll spend more time drooling than voting (or working) ;)
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10/26/2004 04:22:45 PM · #44 |
I still don't get it...
It seems insulting to me, as if we have to try very hard to find something redemptive in overweight people.
How is it different than saying "Photograph a black person, to show that the white race is not supreme"??
Am I nuts? Please help me to see your point...
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10/26/2004 04:26:22 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I still don't get it...
It seems insulting to me, as if we have to try very hard to find something redemptive in overweight people.
How is it different than saying "Photograph a black person, to show that the white race is not supreme"??
Am I nuts? Please help me to see your point... |
you know when i first read the beginning of this thread, i started to comment, but i couldnt explain in words how i felt about it. my words didnt make sense. i just knew it annoyed me somehow. you pretty much summed up what i thought. now if only i could express my thoughts that clearly.
im not even sure if this makes sense
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 16:26:42. |
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10/26/2004 04:27:09 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I still don't get it...
It seems insulting to me, as if we have to try very hard to find something redemptive in overweight people.
How is it different than saying "Photograph a black person, to show that the white race is not supreme"??
Am I nuts? Please help me to see your point... |
I agree, I don't see the relevance of taking "one" group as a target. it's a bit like profiling to me. |
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10/26/2004 04:28:20 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Personally, I find health attractive. That means that underweight or overweight people seem less 'physically' beautiful to me (which is fine since physical beauty shouldn't have as high of a priority as the media tells us it should anyhow).... |
What makes me nervous, is that yes, big CAN be beautiful, but no matter how beautiful the individual, it's still not healthy. Being overweight is a health risk. For heart attack, for diabetes, for plain old chronic back and knee problems.
Should people who are sized 10-16 be more socially excepted? Should their be more choices in what to wear? Should theater seat sizes be more accomodating? YES!
Should we look at a sized 22-36 person and say...there's nothing wrong with that? Keep eating the Big Mac Supersized, do you want fries with that with the 5 cents extra on the biggie coke? NO! (don't misunderstand me...I'm very well aware that there are clinical problems that cause obesity)
Appreciate beauty in all it's shapes sizes colors, yes...accept people for the personality they have and if they're a good person, yes.
Say it's ok to risk being dead at the age of 40, no!
So in short, I agree with you, TGT...in terms of how the media depicts beauty. And while Rubanesque types (myself included) can be beautiful...that doesn't make it healthy.
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10/26/2004 04:35:41 PM · #48 |
It's not quite the same thing. At least not the way I see it.
Speaking as a person who has struggled with her weight her entire life, I am quite aware that it is still ok to ridicule and poke fun of fat people and for some reason, we're supposed to just accept it. There's no political correctness when it comes to fat jokes on TV and movies (I can't even watch those Nutty Professor movies, they are so humiliating). Oprah Winfrey gets more press every time she gains a pound than by the millions of dollars she has accumulated as a savvy businesswoman. Elvis Presley's voice was as beautiful when he was overweight as it was when he had a perfect body, but who cares, let's still make fun of his eating habits instead of celebrating his music.
I think illustrating this group of people in a positive light for a change would be refreshing and welcome.
Patty
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I still don't get it...
It seems insulting to me, as if we have to try very hard to find something redemptive in overweight people.
How is it different than saying "Photograph a black person, to show that the white race is not supreme"??
Am I nuts? Please help me to see your point... |
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10/26/2004 04:39:22 PM · #49 |
Sorry for the controversy. My only intent on bringing this back to the top of the forums was to bring the subject back to art. That is why I suggested "Rubenesque". It is a well defined art form. But if the subject is going to be that controversial (centered on fat vs. thin vs., health, etc,) then maybe we should not go there.
J.B. |
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10/26/2004 04:45:19 PM · #50 |
To some degree, I do understand your feelings, Patty...
However, I think a challenge like this would only be giving the media more credit than they deserve.
Most everyone knows overweight people that they love. Most everyone sees beauty in all types/shapes/sizes of people.
Let's not allow the flashy lights and echoing voice of media to define public opinion.
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 16:46:16.
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