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10/26/2004 08:33:31 AM · #1 |
In today's America, ask a growing number of high school and college students; their teachers and professors; the self-anointed media elite and/or hard working men and women of all ethnicities, the question, "What is a Republican?", and you'll be told "... a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment ... the working poor ....and all whom they exploit..."
I am a Republican ... I am none of those things... and I don't know any Republicans who are.
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Please read this open letter to the public by George Esseff. He is a private citizen and with his own money paid for this ad in the washington post.
Other than not growing up in the depression and a few other historical notes, I think this describes me and many of my colleges very well. I would appreciate it if some of my more liberal friends especially read this.
You're a Republican??? |
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10/26/2004 08:42:35 AM · #2 |
George Bush sounds like this: "... a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment ... the working poor ....and all whom they exploit..."
being a republican doesn't mean you have to vote for a republican.
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10/26/2004 08:51:52 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
George Bush sounds like this: "... a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment ... the working poor ....and all whom they exploit..." |
If you talk to a single person who knows Bush, incuding your liberal god Clinton, you will find that your above comment is completly off base. It does nothing but show your complete lack rounded knowledge. BTW: Have you looked at your own canidate lately?
Originally posted by ericlimon:
being a republican doesn't mean you have to vote for a republican. |
I'm proud to vote for Bush this election. There are many things he does that I disagree with, but there are far more that I do aggree with. I also approve of his character and yes his morals. There is also no way I'm voting for a man that sees a different America than I do. JK's view of what America should be almost scares me and it makes me sad to think that so many people blindly follow without really thinking about it.
I'm not necessarily pointing fingers here, but the number of and the danger created by extreme left groups in this country far exceeds even the best made up stories about far right wing militias now... Their conspiracy theories now even blow away the best UFO nuts :) |
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10/26/2004 08:57:49 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
but the number of and the danger created by extreme left groups in this country far exceeds even the best made up stories about far right wing militias now... |
Oh Yeah,
I forgot...
The Oklahoma City bombing was done by a left wing loony, not a right wing militant. Geez, I'm glad you pointed that out! Good example :Þ
Guess I better vote republican!
Oh, wait... Tim McVeigh was a right wing militant...
At the expense of the enviroment... WAY off base. GW loves our enviroment.
GW also loves the poor people in America. Thats why he helps the big big companies, so the little guy can get a job at 5.15 per hour and make a good livin' in the good ol' USA
Besides, the big companies never exploit the poor, OR the enviroment. Silly me to think otherwise!
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 09:01:58.
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10/26/2004 09:09:14 AM · #5 |
What is a Republican???
Is it a publican with two or more pubs?
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10/26/2004 09:09:19 AM · #6 |
You guys are really sad, and yes thats a personal attack. How stupid can you be. McVeigh was NEVER accepted or celebrated byt the right, nor were his base ideas, he was extreme and he had OTHER issues. His real reason was PERSONAL, NOT political. But I guess I can't trust you to do some fact finding.
That would be like me bringing up the Una-bomber. Ya, thats right, he was a left wing nut, an educated and extremly bright professor. How about the DC Sniper? He was a liberal AND a racist. You won't hear it on CNN, but if you read the court documents, you'll find he was out just to kill white people. The only reason he killed a couple black people was to make him harder to track and find. How about ELF and their wonderful adventures in the past few years. These stupid rejects of humans are responsible for billions in damages, several deaths and have caused 1000's of times more polution than everything they destroyed combined could have ever created. How about your west coast friends who attacked police horses hoping to get a physical responce from the police so they could video tape it and then edit out what caused it. What about your liberal friends at the ACLU trying it's damnest to make it illegal for church bells to ring but are fighting for Musilm prayers to br read over loud speakers from city centers. What about your liberal friends sending money to terrorists because the don't believe in the war or the protestors trying to come up with ways to make police dogs make false positives. Here we've got police working hard to protect us, and we've got some hippy scumbag dragging down our unemployment rate trying to screw with police dogs so they can't do their job... Good job dumbass. How about your liberal friends at PETA who attack kids and adults coming out of KFC or send notes to Arrifat asking him not to stop blowing up people, but just to not use animals!
And how about your liberal scumbag friends that spit on soldiers.
You know the difference between extreme right wing people verus extreme left wing people? The conservative base doesn't support the extreme right wing, while the base left DOES support the extreme left wing!
edited for some over the top verbage :)
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 09:14:56. |
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10/26/2004 09:12:38 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
It does nothing but show your complete lack rounded knowledge.
I'm not necessarily pointing fingers here, but the number of and the danger created by extreme left groups in this country far exceeds even the best made up stories about far right wing militias now... Their conspiracy theories now even blow away the best UFO nuts :)
And how about your liberal friends that spit on soldiers. |
Hmmm,,, this isn't an attack? but this is?
Oh, wait... Tim McVeigh was a right wing militant...
Youv'e converted me!
I'm now gonna vote for Bush! He really IS a good guy!
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 09:13:19.
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10/26/2004 09:51:46 AM · #8 |
I doubt many Democrats are "indecisive, yellow bellied, bleeding heart liberals that love high taxes and are soft on crime/terrorism" either... The labels given to the two parties is part of the reason I don't belong to any party anymore. People are individuals and it seems absurd to make assumptions about who they are based on a party affiliation. Many of my friends are Republicans and they are caring, charitable people that want to protect the fragile environment. And many of my Democrat friends are fiscal conservatives that believe we should pay down the debt while maintaining a strong military.
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10/26/2004 10:20:10 AM · #9 |
I try very hard most times to point my critisism to the Elected Liberal Democrats in washington. I most often feel that it doesn't work the other way and as a conservative republican I often feel personaly attacked. I do have to admit, I don't always do a good job at the above and some times too often I'm very harsh on people that I think are foolish or stupid for believing them.
but I'm also not sure whats worse, the Democrats in office that I feel are wolves in sheeps clothing, or the people that don't anylize them enough to not vote for them. Already, Kerry has promised to revoke ALL of his promises if he feels he can't do it withought raising taxes; and based on his and others close to him records, translates into: We won't do anything we promised AND we will raise taxes.
Why is it that the democratic party has been able to run on the EXACT same issues EVERY single election since Jimmy Carter? President Clinton in his 8 years didn't even take a stab at 98% of the things he promised. If you don't even try you can't blame it on the other side, no matter who you are.
Bush is not the ideal President in my mind, BUT, from our choices I feel that he is the right man for the job. Most of it has to do with what I think is right.
If you don't think we should be a world superpower
If you don't think we should be preemptive
If you think ANY military action without the UN is illegal (JK said this)
If you don't think we should be pro business
If you think medical care should be paid for by someone else
If you think that opening our borders even more to mexico and illegals is good
If you don't think we should be killing terorrists
If you think 9/11 was our fault
If you think the Iraq was wrong and your unsure of the Afgan war
If you really believe the war in Iraq was for Oil
By all means vote for John Kerry. Thats what JK stands for. I'm not sure if there is a TRUE right and wrong, but it's my PERSONAL belief that the above is all incorrect...
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 10:22:38. |
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10/26/2004 10:35:02 AM · #10 |
| Have I missed some world shattering news or is it just the usual round of in-fighting in the colonies? |
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10/26/2004 10:56:30 AM · #11 |
Russell,
You started out with a logical argument, but you kind of went far afield there... When did Senator Kerry ever say we shouldn't be a superpower? Or that any military action needed to have UN involvement? Or that we shouldn't kill terrorists? Or that 9/11 was our fault? Or that he was in any way unsure about the Afghan war?
The reason I have decided to support Senator Kerry is that I believe a superpower is defined as a nation that leads allied nations for the betterment of the world, not a nation that ignores (and loses) it's allies by telling them "If your not with us, you're against us". I believe that businesses need to be held responsible for their actions and not allowed to destroy the planet for the next quarters profit. I believe that it's wrong to halt all immigration by non-white peoples. Our nation is a land of immigrants and that mexicans have as much right to come here as my Scottish grandfather did. I believe in killing terrorists and also in improving relations with the Islamic peoples around the world so that 10 more terrorists don't pop up for every one we kill. I believe that Iraq was a poorly planned, foolish diversion that distracted us from the true war on terror. Saddam Husein had to go. No one argues about that. but he was contained. As a student of history, I know the foolishness of starting a two front war unless it is absolutely unavoidable. I don't believe we went to Iraq for oil, although it is interesting that we secured the oil fields before we secured the ammo dumps. I believe we went into Iraq because Saddam Hussein made an attempt on George Bush senior's life. The current president started a war on a second front, that we were unprepared to fight because he had a grudge against an Iraqi tyrant that would have fallen to a popular uprising within the next few years. Sanctions were working. He was disarmed and losing control. Our entry into, and occupation of Iraq is the best thing that could have happened to terrorists. Our allies have lost all respect for us... Islamic moderates have been turned into Islamic extremists... And our forces are stretched too thin to effectively fight the true war on terror.
You failed to mention that if you think it's a good idea to cut taxes for wealthy contributors while turning a fiscal surplus into a record fiscal deficit, vote for President Bush. If you want medical research to focus on prayer instead of science, vote for President Bush. If you want the rapid decay of our respect world wide, vote for President Bush. Otherwise, take a look at Senator Kerry.
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10/26/2004 11:07:39 AM · #12 |
speaking as a british person, anybody who is even contemplating a vote for Bush needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Never mind banging on about 'liberal' media and all that b*llocks just use your head, use your thinking. Look at the situation in iraq, look at the situation in your own country and then try and listen to Bush speak English!
The man is an imbecile a very dangerous imbecile and the hatred or lack of respect for the USA and for Americans is almost total in my experience, wake up and for crying out loud vote for Kerry, republican or democrat or independent.
If Bush is elected president then i'm invading the USA and be warned, I have foam javelins and jam!
remember Freedom is spelt K.E.R.R.Y idiot is spelt with a capital B!
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10/26/2004 11:28:48 AM · #13 |
//www.musicforamerica.org/misc/media_files/bushjoke.mov
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10/26/2004 12:57:59 PM · #14 |
myqyl's last post sums it up pretty well.
To fix jonr's link, //www.musicforamerica.org/misc/media_files/bushjoke.mov and I have another to add, 24mb 17 minute video Something About W. Very good short videos. |
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10/26/2004 01:05:03 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
When did Senator Kerry ever say we shouldn't be a superpower? |
Most of the people that have a controlling influence over Kerry have in the past made statements that affirm my comment. It's well known that most far left liberal democrats are ashamed that we are a superpower.
Originally posted by myqyl:
Or that any military action needed to have UN involvement? |
Actualy he did... I'm having trouble digging up the interview, I just read it last week... I'll keep looking. He literly said that American deaths without UN backing we disgrasfull or useless or meaningless... Something like that. You can only extract one end statement from that.
Originally posted by myqyl:
Or that we shouldn't kill terrorists? |
Kerry pre 4 weeks ago was VERY adiment about using President Clinton's method for dealing with terrorism. Meaning police action and arrest, not Military and not killing them... We all see how well the git-mo prison has reformed terrorists. JK Can't offer anything more than git-mo...
Originally posted by myqyl:
Or that 9/11 was our fault? Or that he was in any way unsure about the Afghan war? |
Kerry supports people and is supported by people who do feel that we are to blame for 9/11. And I'm sure he private he thinks that if we had done things differently they wouldn't have attacked us.
In the VP debate, Edwards said "Maybe the afgan war was justified". I don't think I want him in office...
Originally posted by myqyl:
The reason I have decided to support Senator Kerry is that I believe a superpower is defined as a nation that leads allied nations... |
LEADS is the key word. Sometimes a LEADER has to make the tough unpopular decision. Kerry is NOT capable of that. If you were any kind of businessmen or team leader or even a manager you might know this...
Originally posted by myqyl:
loses it's allies by telling them "If your not with us, you're against us". |
Where else can you stand? I fully support this statement. Switzerland claimed to be nuetral in WWII and instead looking back we find that they provided great support for the German Military and Hitler.
Originally posted by myqyl:
I believe that businesses need to be held responsible for their actions and not allowed to destroy the planet for the next quarters profit. |
I absolutly aggree with you, and we could be doing better in this department. But you also can't bankrupt a company or industry by being stupid. Most enviromentalists don't get that.
Originally posted by myqyl:
I believe that it's wrong to halt all immigration by non-white peoples. |
Are you actualy saying that Bush is doing this? Are you kidding me??? Common, even I expect more from you than that.
Plain and simple illegal immigration should be stopped, illegals should be sent home and then we can allow even more LEGAL immigrants into this country. You've been listening to too much liberal fear mongering. Bush isn't a racist.
I'm the 3rd generation of my family in this country (the 50's) just so you know.
Originally posted by myqyl:
I believe that Iraq was a poorly planned, foolish diversion that distracted us from the true war on terror. |
It's part of the war on terror. and while many mistakes were made. Even with being a GOD, John Kerry would have made just as many mistakes.
Saddam was NOT contained, containment does not work. Maybe it would if it wasn't for countries like France, Germany, russia and iran doing ILLEGAL business with him. NK was contained by Clinton and Carter, we see how well that turned out. Thanks to Clinton's containment theory,, NK now has 2 or maybe even 3 nukes...
More terrorsts were created under Clinton's NON-REACTION than we will ever create with this war. The Iraq war is bringing them to a central point and were are doing a good job aside from a few hot spots. MOST of the country is doing fairly well... Also have you forgotten the time frame? We haven' been there very long...
Originally posted by myqyl:
it is interesting that we secured the oil fields before we secured the ammo dumps. |
I'm sure thats mostly false, but the reason for running to the oil fields was because we were worried about them being set on fire and it was part of the economic resturcturing plan for Iraq. Without the oil we couldn't afford to rebuild Iraq.
Originally posted by myqyl:
I believe we went into Iraq because Saddam Hussein made an attempt on George Bush senior's life. |
Oh common, stop it... Use your head.
Originally posted by myqyl:
Sanctions were working. He was disarmed and losing control. |
Actualy it was going the other way. Don't you read? SO we under estimated his chemical weapons. His other military projects were MUCH further along than we expected.
Originally posted by myqyl:
You failed to mention that if you think it's a good idea to cut taxes for wealthy contributors while turning a fiscal surplus into a record fiscal deficit |
Just so you know, when Bush implemented the tax cuts, government intake whent UP not down...
Originally posted by myqyl:
If you want medical research to focus on prayer instead of science |
There is no research on prayer, common!!! Bush has set some limits to embrionic stem cell research, but he has not stopped it and what he has done has not hindered research in any way right now. I do believe in a few more years we will need to advance more in this area. How ever like abortion and the eviroment, it's not a deal breaker for me. The other things are just too big. |
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10/26/2004 01:11:50 PM · #16 |
| Give up people, attempting to have a civilized discourse with Russell or attempting to make him see a different point of view to discuss is futile. |
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10/26/2004 01:13:31 PM · #17 |
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10/26/2004 01:18:34 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Give up people, attempting to have a civilized discourse with Russell or attempting to make him see a different point of view to discuss is futile. |
I'm not sure if many people, especialy myqyl or Olyuzi have really tried to have civiliazed discussion with me. Your glasses might be a little rose colored.
If someone makes stupid comments like saying we only went to war because of Hussains attempt on GHB or that Bush is a racist or that Kerry is something he is not, then of course I'm going to reply. My lasp post was fairly civil. I could VERY easily say the same things back to many of you. I'm pretty out numbered here, I have to be a little more forceful. |
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10/26/2004 01:25:17 PM · #19 |
vote for bush and i'm comig after you with the foam javelins and jam first!
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10/26/2004 01:27:31 PM · #20 |
| I've got a good idea, go join the national guard, get sent to Iraq, and truly support GW Bush and his war for oil, um, I mean democracy. |
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10/26/2004 01:34:46 PM · #21 |
I disagree... I think Russell made some valid points and at least attempted to discuss the issue. I agree that he has heard too much propaganda to have a clear vision of what's happening, but I sincerely believe he is listening as well as talking... It will take quite a while to answer all your points Russell, but I'd like to point out that you didn't note any time John Kerry said any of the things I asked you about... "It's well known that most far left liberal democrats are ashamed that we are a superpower. " is not a valid argument that this is a position John Kerry holds... And I would ask you to reread your reply to me and look at it from my side. Are you telling me when John Kerry said these things, or are you repeating the lines President Bush has used to accuse him of these opinions? I seriously hope you will reread your post and look at it from the other side of the fence. I will reread mine as well as you seem to feel I'm way off base on some things... I value your opinion and will consider if I am taking a few liberties with the truth in expressing my strongly held beliefs... However, my declaration that President Bush sent our troops into harms way because he had a grudge against Iraq is supported by the transcript of his first cabinet meeting, long before Sept. 11th...
Thank you for a well thought out and civil response :) I will reply to the points as time allows :)
Message edited by author 2004-10-26 13:37:14.
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10/26/2004 01:37:49 PM · #22 |
| someone who licks pubes more than once. |
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10/26/2004 01:42:51 PM · #23 |
| Thank you, Russell, for a very civil discussion. I will respond to some of what you say in an equally civil manner later when I get the chance. |
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10/26/2004 01:42:56 PM · #24 |
You know what's creepy?
...a nation divided into black and white who fights within itself to further distance left from right, both sides using fear to villainize the other and cause the paranoid to lean ever further to one side or the other.
When will such polity see it's end?
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10/26/2004 01:43:51 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
I've got a good idea, go join the national guard, get sent to Iraq, and truly support GW Bush and his war for oil, um, I mean democracy. |
I tried. I was signed up for the MARINES at 17 with a permission slip from mommy and daddy. However due to complications from a surgery and some misdiagnosis as far as I'm concerned by a Doctor, I ened up being disqualified from service the week before I was to dept out.
Back then the military was a good option for me. I didn't want to go to school (I didn't really have the grades anyway) and I was due to my knee unable to work 100% in my Father's business.
Now I'm a successfull software engineer and I own my own business to boot where I employee multiple people. I'm recently married and I have a new house. I'm still waiting for my wife to get a permenate job instead of contracting for the government. Were hoping for the Special Agent position with the post office right now. She just got back from DC doing her polygraph.
I can't really afford to join the Military right now.
BUT, I do now that if President Bush came on TV tonight and said, were low on troops and we need more soldiers, we are encouraging more sign ups, I would go. I would also do it if it was Kerry in Office. I'm guesing almost none of you would, but maybe I'm assuming too much. |
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