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10/22/2004 11:12:29 PM · #1 |
said I would not enter again into political comments, but I never defined the "Loony Left." It is like something I left unsaid and the need to correct. I want to be misunderstood as little as possible.
I can not define the loony left unless I define a Democrat. Best to show the comparison.
A Conservative simply wants to be left alone to persue his own life. Wants from government a safe environment and of course, the protection against foreign invadors. Wants nothing else from the government because he hates to fill out forms and answer to somebody else. Does not want to be the recipient of hands out because handouts require paper work to prive eligilability. In short, very small government. Does not like Income Tax.
The Democrats feel that government should play an active role in the society to assuage the element of human suffering. While this is a good sentiment, it requires paper work and verification of one's station in life in order to receive the goods. This leads to the problems of shortages and then to rationing. You receive according to your needs. This is Socialism and note that the government becomes very big and very intrusive. However, the Democrats simply want to mix their system into the current capitalist structure.
The Liberal seeks to change the entire structure into a socialist state and they make no bones about it. They believe in social engineering and they oppose the capitalist structure. Their philosophy finds fault in a system that rewards the competent. The object is to eliminate competition and level the playfield. This is why the Liberal attacks his own country because as is it is a brutal and primative structure. The Liberal claims that the populance can not be trusted with their own money. They know a better way to sprend it. They also see no reason for wars. We can all sit and talk things over. While the conservative has strong instinctual convictions of right and wrong, the Liberals believe that all is grey and nothing is definitive.
Now, anybody can argue these philosophies but there are some major misunderstanding which I feel a need to address. I was a flower child. In short, I was a Liberal in my younger years. You then realize that as the socialist structure begins to grow there is more government control. In other words, the democrat and the Liberal become associated with the establishment. Therefore, each member is required to give and receive according to their needs and their ability. This must be proven and look at the income tax mess as an indicator. But the income tax is only a minor item. Under full socialism all basic needs are provided and each must fill the papers and forms required.
As I stood in that Love-in back in 1966 it dawned on me that I did not want to become part of the establishment let alone prove my needs to another and worst give whatever it was the government wanted. No, I do not want to fill any more forms or applications then I need to.
The conservative simply wants to be free. The Socialist wants to be tied to the government. The flower child of yesterday revolted against the establishment not realizing that he was jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
The biggest misunderstandings occur because wars have broken out. Too complex a topic for this entry, but there are major moves made by some countries which endanger the rest. It is sad but a superior force is the only antidote for aggression. Whether we like it or not some governments want to subjugate other governments and the only way out is sometimes a war.
The Loony left is comprised of the most ignorant. They have a vague idea of their socialistic goal and they have been told that it is a worthy cause. They have no true idea of what their lives will be like when their movement wins. They can not envision this end. But they are fanatics because they have been told that the capitalist are pigs and they must be subdued. With this vague goal they feel that any means will justify the end. They feel chosen to bring about the change and create great underground swells of mis-information, lies and whatever it takes to change the system. They depend on questionable sources and they are ready to believe a lie and then spread it. Their most oustanding trait is they are brain-dead in that they reply to events mostly on an emotional basis. There is not the strict order of logic.
Any idea can be examined by intelligent minds who are able to contain the impulsive emotional discharge. You float and observe the ideas and the best one wins. The Loony Left wants no such dialogue, they are viscious and besides they lack the self conviction to explore an alternative to their blindness. You can spot them because they are unable to articulate their convictions because they have none. This is why they use talking points and repeat the words of others. Remove their references and they have nothing to say but lash out at those that have taxed their ignorance. And so, this is the Loony Left. |
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10/22/2004 11:21:49 PM · #2 |
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10/22/2004 11:22:45 PM · #3 |
Great Post Daniel... they are indeed looney...
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10/22/2004 11:34:02 PM · #4 |
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10/22/2004 11:41:56 PM · #5 |
Well written piece, lots of good content. I agree with most of what you said, but you not all "Lefties" are loony. And not all "Righties" are wackos.
You don't have to have a purely "black and white" view of things to be conservative. You see we are painting people into these categories which is what is dividing the country more and more. Their are some gray areas.
People begin to "question capitalism" when it gets to a point where your President is sacraficing YOUR national security by letting illegal and dangerous "immagrents" into the country purely for the sake of making his corporate buddies happy.
People begin to "question" more when they see that our high paying jobs that we have studied for and worked in all of our lives are being sacraficed to H1-B Visa immagrents purely for the sake of making his corporate buddies happy. When the President says "we have a plan to retrain you in new jobs...", what is he talking about? What new jobs? What the hell is Bush talking about??? What job will I go back to school for after my market is destroyed, Mr. Bush??? Please tell me. Dish washing? Get that god-damn smerk off your face and level with me Mr. Bush. Are you telling me and the American people, that we are being screwed without a kiss without even knowing it?
Originally posted by Graphicfunk:
You float and observe the ideas and the best one wins. The Loony Left wants no such dialogue, they are viscious and besides they lack the self conviction to explore an alternative to their blindness. You can spot them because they are unable to articulate their convictions because they have none. This is why they use talking points and repeat the words of others. |
The loony left doesn't want dialog, nor does the loony right. It's the ones near the middle who are the intellegent ones. I've listened to the most radical talk show hosts on the right and the same on the left (although not as much). Both are full of BS for the most part. When you listen to anyone too far right or left you are listening to PROPOGANDA. Unfortunetly is very hard to find commentary that is not biased. For me, I will no longer listen to biased opinions because it's really just poison to your thought process. When you listen to it, your IQ drops 1 point with every hour of listening.
You need to really examine why you think Bush is better for the country. I know that Chaney has scared you into thinking that if Kerry is elected, the next day will be attacked by terrorists, but you should ask yourself about the risk BUSH has put us in by his reckless waste of resources in Iraq, his refusal to protect our borders, and his refusal to protect our middle class.
Message edited by author 2004-10-22 23:44:51.
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10/23/2004 12:14:15 AM · #6 |
Graphicfunk: âA Conservative simply wants to be left alone to persue his own life. Wants from government a safe environment and of course, the protection against foreign invadors. Wants nothing else from the government because he hates to fill out forms and answer to somebody else. Does not want to be the recipient of hands out because handouts require paper work to prive eligilability. In short, very small government. Does not like Income Tax.â
You mean like all the corporations that accept subsidies and welfare from the government? Or the corporate leaders that love to give money to government officials to push through government programs and policies that would benefit their companies and industries?
Graphicfunk: âThe Liberal seeks to change the entire structure into a socialist state and they make no bones about it. They believe in social engineeringâ¦
This is completely untrue.
Graphicfunk: âTheir philosophy finds fault in a system that rewards the competent. The object is to eliminate competition and level the playfield.
Wrong again, GF. Liberals find fault in a system that is incompetent and rewards those who donât play by the rules (Enron, Tyco, Halliburton, etcâ¦). Liberals want a level playing field, but there are many in government and big business today that donât. For instance, the monopolies that exist today, such as Clear Channel (a big GW and republican contributor), Microsoft. Or how about all those no-bid contracts that the government gave out to the companies that want a share in the rebuilding of Iraq? Halliburton, and Bechtel, both big contributors to the Bush/Cheney campaigns in 2000 and to the republican party, have gotten the biggest no-bid contracts from the Bush administration. Conflict of interest, if you ask me.
GF: âThey also see no reason for wars.â
Yep, youâre right, liberals see no need for war when our country is not threatened, and the administration pushed it down our throats.
GF: âWhile the conservative has strong instinctual convictions of right and wrong, the Liberals believe that all is grey and nothing is definitive.â
Very true, I agree with this 100%. Very little is black and white, and even in a good B&W photo, there are many shades of grey. B&W thinking is too simplistic, but was definitely the type of thinking that GW wanted us to do so as not to interfere with his administration's agenda of invasion, killing and pillage. As a matter of fact, I find this whole post of yours very simplistic. Liberals do not all side with the democrats, and I myself have on many occasions stated that the dems are very much like the republicans. Basically, the same party with two different names. For your ease of understanding, you would like nothing more than to pigeon hole all liberals into the democratic party. How would you explain Anarchists, that would side a lot more with liberals, than with conservatives, yet, they espouse little or no government intervention?
GF: âToo complex a topic for this entry, but there are major moves made by some countries which endanger the rest.â
Yes, I agree with you here as well and in this case, itâs the US government that has endangered the rest of the world.
GF: âThe Loony left is comprised of the most ignorant. They have a vague idea of their socialistic goal and they have been told that it is a worthy cause. They have no true idea of what their lives will be like when their movement wins. They can not envision this end. But they are fanatics because they have been told that the capitalist are pigs and they must be subdued. With this vague goal they feel that any means will justify the end. They feel chosen to bring about the change and create great underground swells of mis-information, lies and whatever it takes to change the system. They depend on questionable sources and they are ready to believe a lie and then spread it. Their most oustanding trait is they are brain-dead in that they reply to events mostly on an emotional basis. There is not the strict order of logic. â
This is so utterly stupid that the only thing Iâm going to say is that itâs the Bush administration that feels any means will justify the end. And the end of civilization is what they could be bringing us to. "LIBERALS DEPEND ON QUESTIONABLE SOURCES of information"?????????????????? Really, and what reliable sources of information did the Bush administration rely on for their wars and the 9/11 attacks?????????????????????????????????? The Bush administration are the ones that are brain dead!!!!!!!
GF: âAny idea can be examined by intelligent minds who are able to contain the impulsive emotional discharge.â
Yes, I certainly wish the Bush administration contained their primitive impulses to stop their âdischarges.â
GF: âThe Loony Left wants no such dialogue, they are viscious and besides they lack the self conviction to explore an alternative to their blindness.â
What are you talking about that the left does not want dialogue? You mean how the Bush administration wanted more dialogue with Saddam Hussein? Sarcasm. So instead of dialogue with him we went to war that was not needed and that did not only NOT win our security, but actually made it more dangerous and more likely that we would get hit with another terrorist attack. So what alternatives did the Bush administration give us when it came to Iraq??? Especially when they had many sources that were telling them that Iraq was no threat.
GF: âYou can spot them because they are unable to articulate their convictions because they have none. This is why they use talking points and repeat the words of others. Remove their references and they have nothing to say but lash out at those that have taxed their ignorance. And so, this is the Loony Left.â
STUPID POST.
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10/23/2004 12:17:20 AM · #7 |
I agree with much that you said about the far left, but i think you've missed the mark on "conservative"
A conservative is someone that wants to be protected from government intrusion, while at the same time reserving the right to tell everyone else what they can read, listen to, smoke or who they can pray to or who they can marry... They believe that it is the fault of the individual if they choose to be homeless and those 6 year olds should go out and get a job!!! They believe America is the land of opportunity and that anyone that isn't of European descent has no right to come or be here. Them damn indians oughta go back where they came from...
... and they are for small government :)
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10/23/2004 01:24:47 AM · #8 |
Look and re-read your replies. Look at the way that you are lashing out and reflect you are stuck in blind idealogy. When I referenced black and white I simply meant its application on the moral aspect. Like anybody else I suspect and examine gray ereas much like peeling an onion. I certainly was not saying that you are superior because you think your vision is greater.
You talk about the capitalist system and then you mix it with politics..do you you know how complex it becomes, but I know, it satisfies you because you can lash out and sound real ignorant about a big picture that not even dedicated experts can agree on.
Conservatives do not care what you do provided you are not endengaring their immediate welfare. There are Right Wing Wackos, and these are as crazy and demented as the Loony Left. And yes, if you are a bigot and a right wing wacko or dumb as the Loony Left then you do deserve the label.
Liberalism is socialism and why you refuse to come clean beats my common sense. Paint me a model of how things would be if Liberism actuates its nightmare.
The division in our country has always been here...read your history. This is what makes this country great. There have always been radicals but notice how the Loony Left brings all the misfits attached to them.
These are viscious mental midgets with the amunition of name calling.
You must remember that conservatism and socialism are two distinct philosophies and both have their ignorant counterpart. You argue from your side and I from mine, but you can not be the final arbiter because I can find as many faults in your system as you find in mine.
There is also the consideration that you are biting more than what you can chew. You associate yourself with the big players which in the end leave you hanging. There are always wheels withing wheels and to be simplistic in our analysis is to court redicule and sound like an ass.
Intelligence should never be confused with wisdom and before one takes on the global subjects of economy and socialogy requires more study than most can manage. The weak minded are reduced to insulting and repeating sheer stupidity. What appears so easy to grasp should be suspect because maybe it is not so simple. Keep in mind that two opposing views are diametrically opposed and as such each side digs in and all they do is rant.
Yet, I find it amusing at the experts in this site. They drink the kool- aid and talk gibberish and they have the nerve to offer their opinion as the work of authority. Is is not clear that the opposing views will never meet, will never agree....so why beat a dead horse? All that you can do is insult eachother..you see, you are not discussing ideas, you are regurtitating a mixture of political, moral and social issues and just where does one begin?
Most of you on the left sound so tyranical and you cast accusation with such certainty that you refuse to look at the impending enemy coming your way. Instead, you project your insecurity and fear and direct all guns at your immediate neighbor. We must be the laughing stock of the world. The Islamic Radicals are poising to destroy us and we fight amongst ourselves to save them the trouble. We are a dumb society indeed. |
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10/23/2004 02:35:06 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
said I would not enter again into political comments, but..... |
I was enjoying your silence. |
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