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10/21/2004 07:48:18 PM · #51 |
That's it. Everybody.... out of the pool.
I don't think there was any comparison by anyone only a statement that one man could do a lot of damage. Stalin and Hitler were just given as examples.
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10/21/2004 07:54:02 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Why would anyone want to leave the country one loves simply because a presidential administration is completely mismanaging the country!? |
Errr, shout that around the Congo, Iraq, (most of the middle east for that matter) South Africa, Cuba, even Mexico from what I hear..people are desparately TRYING to leave for exactly this reason. |
Oh jeesh GoldBerry, comparing the political situation in the U.S. -- the subject of my comment -- and the countries you list is ridiculous. Please note that I spoke of "mismanaging the country," which is a far cry from a local war, apartheid, devastating economic depression or the conditions that you allude to in your response. As a rhetorical exercise, I could contemplate your question in absolute terms; that is, when confronted with an adverse situation, political or otherwise, is it better to "fight" or to take "flight"? I choose fight. I wonder, where would my country -- the U.S. -- be if brave people had opted to take "flight," rather than "fight": We might still be a segregated country; women might still not have the right to vote; we might still be caught in a quagmire in Vietnam... and so on. Again, as an "academic" exercise, the rhetorical question you pose might have some relevance; but, in the context of domestic politics and of holding public officials accountable, the rhetorical question bears little relevance. |
As ridiculous as comparing Bush to Hitler and Stalin??? |
WHAT THE F@#K!?
When HAVE I compared Bush to Hitler or Stalin? |
I didn't F*&^%$&*ing say that you F&%*$(*ing said that. Read F%$#@ing closer next F^$%#%ing time, please.
However, since you choose to call Goldberry's comaparison ridiculous I was wondering why the F*^(&% you didn't say a F&^%%*)&ing thing about the other ridiculous comparison mentioned. |
GoldBerry was addressing me directly, so I responded to her directly. If any one want's to address the comments made by someone else they are free to do so. Accordingly, you are FREE to address a poster's comments directly. Your post would suggest that you were addressing me, given the context of the post, since my handle appears as QUOTED. Again, without context, some readers would've presumed that I had made the comparison between Bush, Hitler or Stalin. Next time you should provide some relevant context in your post, and not take the freaggin' lazy way out by merely quoting.
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10/21/2004 07:55:06 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Sorry folks :( All I meant to do was thank a neighbor for being neighborly... I should have known the thread would invoke those that believe that good relations with other nations is somehow unpatriotic... It's truly sad that some Americans believe that being rude is patriotic and that thanking another nation for their kindness is Unamerican... I wonder what the founders would think of their behavior... |
The thanking of the other nation is great. Canada deserves to be thanked. The objections to your post were NOT objections to having good relations with Canada or any other nation, the objections were to your perposterous party-line implicataion that the United States never shows such kindness to other nations and that its citizens should feel guilty over Canada's offer of help. |
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10/21/2004 07:55:51 PM · #54 |
Cool it with the language.
-Terry
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10/21/2004 07:56:09 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
That's it. Everybody.... out of the pool.
I don't think there was any comparison by anyone only a statement that one man could do a lot of damage. Stalin and Hitler were just given as examples. |
Likewise, no one compared the political situation in the US to Iraq or where ever. It was just mentioned that people want out of those places.
PS my eplitive use was not out of anger, I was simply mocking.
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10/21/2004 08:04:00 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Why would anyone want to leave the country one loves simply because a presidential administration is completely mismanaging the country!? |
Errr, shout that around the Congo, Iraq, (most of the middle east for that matter) South Africa, Cuba, even Mexico from what I hear..people are desparately TRYING to leave for exactly this reason. |
Oh jeesh GoldBerry, comparing the political situation in the U.S. -- the subject of my comment -- and the countries you list is ridiculous. Please note that I spoke of "mismanaging the country," which is a far cry from a local war, apartheid, devastating economic depression or the conditions that you allude to in your response. As a rhetorical exercise, I could contemplate your question in absolute terms; that is, when confronted with an adverse situation, political or otherwise, is it better to "fight" or to take "flight"? I choose fight. I wonder, where would my country -- the U.S. -- be if brave people had opted to take "flight," rather than "fight": We might still be a segregated country; women might still not have the right to vote; we might still be caught in a quagmire in Vietnam... and so on. Again, as an "academic" exercise, the rhetorical question you pose might have some relevance; but, in the context of domestic politics and of holding public officials accountable, the rhetorical question bears little relevance. |
As ridiculous as comparing Bush to Hitler and Stalin??? |
WHAT THE F@#K!?
When HAVE I compared Bush to Hitler or Stalin? |
I didn't F*&^%$&*ing say that you F&%*$(*ing said that. Read F%$#@ing closer next F^$%#%ing time, please.
However, since you choose to call Goldberry's comaparison ridiculous I was wondering why the F*^(&% you didn't say a F&^%%*)&ing thing about the other ridiculous comparison mentioned. |
GoldBerry was addressing me directly, so I responded to her directly. If any one want's to address the comments made by someone else they are free to do so. Accordingly, you are FREE to address a poster's comments directly. Your post would suggest that you were addressing me, given the context of the post, since my handle appears as QUOTED. Again, without context, some readers would've presumed that I had made the comparison between Bush, Hitler or Stalin. Next time you should provide some relevant context in your post, and not take the freaggin' lazy way out by merely quoting. |
I'll explain again in case you couldn't understand with all my swearing in there.
I was addressing you. I was wondering if you thought the Hitler comparison was more or less ridiculous then the Iraq/congo/mexico comparison. I never even implied that you made the comparison, I just asked a question. Don't get so defensive. I simply asked you a yes or no question. A simple yes or no would have been a fine answer.
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10/21/2004 08:09:18 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Why would anyone want to leave the country one loves simply because a presidential administration is completely mismanaging the country!? |
Errr, shout that around the Congo, Iraq, (most of the middle east for that matter) South Africa, Cuba, even Mexico from what I hear..people are desparately TRYING to leave for exactly this reason. |
True people are deparate to leave those areas. It's a good thing things are not that bad here.
To assume you are trying to compare their situation with the situation in the US, one would have to have a hard time reading and comprehending.
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 20:10:08.
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10/21/2004 08:20:08 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Yes, thank you. Once again LoudDog has provided the example of the anti-intellectual, ugly American that's only interested in hearing his point without listening to what's being said. How he misconstrued JimmiyTheFish's well articulated point is beyond me -- it's not as if JimmyTheFish were writing in French. |
Please address the points and not the poster. Personal attacks are not permitted here.
-Terry
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10/21/2004 08:25:11 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by louddog:
You should re-read what Goldberry wrote. Her statement was as much a comparison as Jimmy's "well articulated point" and equally articulated.
Also, if I'm so interested in making a point, what is my point? I simply asked you a yes or no question and you flew off the handle. My only points in this thread is that you don't read to close and Canada is a cool neighbor with good beer. Again, please go back and read carefully. |
Your yes or no question is akin to "have you stopped beating your wife?" By restricting bdobe to a yes or no answer, you are deliberately putting him in a situation where neither is acceptable, but the fact is the question is unfair in the first place. Nowhere in this thread did anyone compare Bush (or anyone else) to Hitler or Stalin -- they simply stated that one person can do a lot of damage, and backed up that statement with examples. Certainly bdobe did not make such a comparison or assertion, and it seems highly unreasonable for you to require him to answer for it.
-Terry
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10/21/2004 08:44:13 PM · #60 |
louddog and bdobe, please discontinue this line of discussion or take it off-board.
Thank you.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 20:44:38.
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10/21/2004 08:44:57 PM · #61 |
I'll post my original reply to demonstrate that it's far more reasonable than what LoudDog's protestations would suggest, and break it into points:
Originally posted by louddog:
One of the best things about the USA is that if you really disagree with the way the country is being run, you have the right to leave. |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Even better yet, if one disagrees with the way the country is being ran, then one has the RIGHT to change it from WITHIN! Why would anyone want to leave the country one loves simply because a presidential administration is completely mismanaging the country!? In America we have the right to hold our public officials accountable, and that can only be done by remaining here and fighting back. |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Why would anyone want to leave the country one loves simply because a presidential administration is completely mismanaging the country!? |
Errr, shout that around the Congo, Iraq, (most of the middle east for that matter) South Africa, Cuba, even Mexico from what I hear..people are desparately TRYING to leave for exactly this reason. |
Originally posted by bdobe:
1. Oh jeesh GoldBerry, comparing the political situation in the U.S. -- the subject of my comment -- and the countries you list is ridiculous. Please note that I spoke of "mismanaging the country," which is a far cry from a local war, apartheid, devastating economic depression or the conditions that you allude to in your response.
2. As a rhetorical exercise, I could contemplate your question in absolute terms; that is, when confronted with an adverse situation, political or otherwise, is it better to "fight" or to take "flight"? I choose fight.
3. I wonder, where would my country -- the U.S. -- be if brave people had opted to take "flight," rather than "fight": We might still be a segregated country; women might still not have the right to vote; we might still be caught in a quagmire in Vietnam... and so on.
4. Again, as an "academic" exercise, the rhetorical question you pose might have some relevance; but, in the context of domestic politics and of holding public officials accountable, the rhetorical question bears little relevance. |
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 20:49:57.
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10/21/2004 08:45:45 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
louddog and bdobe, please discontinue this line of discussion or take it off-board.
Thank you.
-Terry |
I'm fine with that... LoudDog, if you really want to continue this, please PM me.
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 20:45:59.
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10/21/2004 08:46:25 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
louddog and bdobe, please discontinue this line of discussion or take it off-board.
Thank you.
-Terry |
No, thank you |
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10/21/2004 09:01:56 PM · #64 |
How come someone can reply twice after being asked to stop yet my reply since being asked to stop gets deleted? Shouldn't they all get deleted since we were asked to stop? Just a SC question...
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10/21/2004 09:07:53 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by louddog:
How come someone can reply twice after being asked to stop yet my reply since being asked to stop gets deleted? Shouldn't they all get deleted since we were asked to stop? Just a SC question... |
His first reply came 44 seconds after my post, which suggests he had started it before I posted. Given this, I allowed it to stand.
His second reply was a reply to MY post. He expressed agreement with the idea of taking the conversation off-board, and invited you to PM him if you wished to continue the coversation.
You reply was to his invitiation to move the conversation to PM, and therefore should have been made via PM.
-Terry
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10/21/2004 10:05:26 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by louddog:
How come someone can reply twice after being asked to stop yet my reply since being asked to stop gets deleted? Shouldn't they all get deleted since we were asked to stop? Just a SC question... |
why don't you know louddog? There is a double standard...
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10/21/2004 10:18:13 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by louddog:
How come someone can reply twice after being asked to stop yet my reply since being asked to stop gets deleted? Shouldn't they all get deleted since we were asked to stop? Just a SC question... |
why don't you know louddog? There is a double standard... |
I'd reply with something witty but it would probably get deleted...
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10/21/2004 10:31:56 PM · #68 |
It̢۪s a conspiracy against the right wing; DPC is part of the liberal media.
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 22:32:29. |
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10/22/2004 12:45:51 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by frickin:
Originally posted by Mogul:
Sorry folks :( All I meant to do was thank a neighbor for being neighborly... I should have known the thread would invoke those that believe that good relations with other nations is somehow unpatriotic... It's truly sad that some Americans believe that being rude is patriotic and that thanking another nation for their kindness is Unamerican... I wonder what the founders would think of their behavior... |
The thanking of the other nation is great. Canada deserves to be thanked. The objections to your post were NOT objections to having good relations with Canada or any other nation, the objections were to your preposterous party-line implication that the United States never shows such kindness to other nations and that its citizens should feel guilty over Canada's offer of help. |
Um, wait a second... My original post was :
Originally posted by Mogul:
Once again Canada has shown it's true colors... With America's respect around the world understandably at it's lowest point in memory, when we are in trouble we still have the best friend any nation could hope for. To offer surplus flu vaccinations to us is the truest sign that Canada is the kind of nation Americans wish we could be.
My heartfelt thanks :) |
Could you please point out the "preposterous party-line implication that the United States never shows such kindness to other nations and that its citizens should feel guilty over Canada's offer of help."? What "Party" do you suppose I belong to? I'm not trying to throw gas on the fire here, I just want to know where in my post I said the things you quoted me as saying... I'm also interested in which party I belong to since I've never been able to figure that out :) If I'm toting a party line by being polite enough to thank someone, maybe I've found a party I could bring myself to join... It certainly doesn't sound like any party I've read the platform of yet... I'm seeking enlightenment, not an argument. Please take no offense if somewhere in this, I have inadvertently said something else bad about Americans (of which I am proudly one).
Edit : I accidentally corrected your spelling during a spell check... I hope it didn't alter your meaning in any way...
Message edited by author 2004-10-22 14:56:18.
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10/22/2004 08:47:22 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by frickin:
Originally posted by Mogul:
Sorry folks :( All I meant to do was thank a neighbor for being neighborly... I should have known the thread would invoke those that believe that good relations with other nations is somehow unpatriotic... It's truly sad that some Americans believe that being rude is patriotic and that thanking another nation for their kindness is Unamerican... I wonder what the founders would think of their behavior... |
The thanking of the other nation is great. Canada deserves to be thanked. The objections to your post were NOT objections to having good relations with Canada or any other nation, the objections were to your preposterous party-line implication that the United States never shows such kindness to other nations and that its citizens should feel guilty over Canada's offer of help. |
Um, wait a second... My original post was :
Originally posted by Mogul:
Once again Canada has shown it's true colors... With America's respect around the world understandably at it's lowest point in memory, when we are in trouble we still have the best friend any nation could hope for. To offer surplus flu vaccinations to us is the truest sign that Canada is the kind of nation Americans wish we could be.
My heartfelt thanks :) |
Could you please point out the "preposterous party-line implication that the United States never shows such kindness to other nations and that its citizens should feel guilty over Canada's offer of help."? What "Party" do you suppose I belong to? I'm not trying to throw gas on the fire here, I just want to know where in my post I said the things you quoted me as saying... I'm also interested in which party I belong to since I've never been able to figure that out :) If I'm toting a party line by being polite enough to thank someone, maybe I've found a party I could bring myself to join... It certainly doesn't sound like any party I've read the platform of yet... I'm seeking enlightenment, not an argument. Please take no offense if somewhere in this, I have inadvertently said something else bad about Americans (of which I am proudly one).
Edit : I accidentally corrected your spelling during a spell check... I hope it didn't alter your meaning in any way... |
All I am going to say to you is I am filing an official complaint with the site council (yeah, like it will do any good!) over your butchering of my user-name in your reply. I have no use for hateful, no-class people like you. |
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10/22/2004 08:53:58 PM · #71 |
I have 3 children, and none of them have ever had a flu shot, and none of them have ever been vaccinated. I haven't had a flu shot since I was 15 years old, and my wife has never recieved one. I've had the flu 1 time ever. None of my children have ever had the flu, my wife has never had the flu.
BTW- how did this post turn political? I thought it was about thanking Canada for helping the good ol'
US of A out in a time of need?
Skip the flu shot. You don't need to give the drug companies any more money. They are rich enough. Turn to alternative medicines. Your body is an amazing thing, and can fight off most anything with a little help from a good healthy diet.
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10/22/2004 08:56:58 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Skip the flu shot. You don't need to give the drug companies any more money. They are rich enough. Turn to alternative medicines. Your body is an amazing thing, and can fight off most anything with a little help from a good healthy diet. |
here here! |
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10/22/2004 09:00:38 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
I have 3 children, and none of them have ever had a flu shot, and none of them have ever been vaccinated. I haven't had a flu shot since I was 15 years old, and my wife has never recieved one. I've had the flu 1 time ever. None of my children have ever had the flu, my wife has never had the flu.
BTW- how did this post turn political? I thought it was about thanking Canada for helping the good ol'
US of A out in a time of need?
Skip the flu shot. You don't need to give the drug companies any more money. They are rich enough. Turn to alternative medicines. Your body is an amazing thing, and can fight off most anything with a little help from a good healthy diet. |
I agree with this 100%. Even for the elderly and young kids and babies I don't think it's a good idea to start them on these types of medications/vaccinations so early or late in life when their immune systems are either developing or in decline due to age or failing health. There are ways of strengthening the body/mind/spirit without the use of pharmaceuticals. |
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10/22/2004 09:02:15 PM · #74 |
How could you doubt that SC will take proper action?
And... ditto, don't waste your time getting a flu shot.
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10/22/2004 10:24:11 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
All I am going to say to you is I am filing an official complaint with the site council (yeah, like it will do any good!) over your butchering of my user-name in your reply. I have no use for hateful, no-class people like you. |
I've read and reread my post several times and I'm amazed you found it offensive... But after reading other threads you've been in and comments you've made, I think I understand...
Have a nice life :)
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