Voter Preferences - DPChallenge Forums

06/13/2002 05:39:15 PM · #3

Maybe I just don''t want to be pegged into a category, but this seems limiting.

Quite honestly, I appreciate different things in different photos and thus the label would be pretty useless, I think. Technical merit may come in second to an outrageously hard to get shot -- a relatively bland shot may gain some extra points because it''s technically perfect. Shock photography may not really speak to me, but if I can catch the vision of the artist, I''m not gonna give ''em a 1.

Which leaves me nay-saying without offering an alternative -- sorry. I still kind of like the idea of "Best Of" categories.

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/13/2002 6:09:54 PM.

manyk

Canon PowerShot A40

06/13/2002 05:48:45 PM · #4

As long as there's a "non category", that is to say, one is allowed to judge the photography overall, then I'd be happy with categories. But I'm more or less with Patella on this matter.

Reuben

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

06/13/2002 06:47:45 PM · #5

Originally posted by Patella:
Maybe I just don''t want to be pegged into a category, but this seems limiting.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that you'd have to choose one. It would be best if it was an optional setting. And I certainly don't mean to imply that you should then vote based on which aspect you reported as most valuable to you!

Quite honestly, I appreciate different things in different photos and thus the label would be pretty useless, I think. Technical merit may come in second to an outrageously hard to get shot -- a relatively bland shot may gain some extra points because it''s technically perfect.

Just because you value one aspect of photography more than others, doesn't mean that people can't do the other things well enough to outweigh that they did the thing you prefer poorly. Or vice versa. I really don't see this as limiting.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

06/13/2002 07:20:57 PM · #6

I have a question for everyone.

How much does your current score affect your vote?

Example: If you are averaging a 4, do you think, this picture is not as good as mine, 3. This is good, but not that much better than mine, 5.

Would it be better is scores were not shown at all, just comments?

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

06/13/2002 07:37:55 PM · #7

Originally posted by Reuben:
Originally posted by Patella:
[i]Maybe I just don''t want to be pegged into a category, but this seems limiting.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that you'd have to choose one. It would be best if it was an optional setting. And I certainly don't mean to imply that you should then vote based on which aspect you reported as most valuable to you!

Quite honestly, I appreciate different things in different photos and thus the label would be pretty useless, I think. Technical merit may come in second to an outrageously hard to get shot -- a relatively bland shot may gain some extra points because it''s technically perfect.

Just because you value one aspect of photography more than others, doesn't mean that people can't do the other things well enough to outweigh that they did the thing you prefer poorly. Or vice versa. I really don't see this as limiting.

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But I think the point is that what you value in a picture is dependant on the picture, not on the person. At least I know it is for me, I can appreciate the technical work in something like Adams pictures, or the timing in Cartier-Bresson's work or the creativity in Dalhi's pictures,
it doesn't mean I would for example value the timing in Adams work, the
technical excellence of Cartier-Bresson and so on.

The picture defines what is good about it, not really the viewer.

hokie

Nikon D2X

06/13/2002 09:23:15 PM · #8

Originally posted by Zeissman:
I have a question for everyone.

How much does your current score affect your vote?

Example: If you are averaging a 4, do you think, this picture is not as good as mine, 3. This is good, but not that much better than mine, 5.

Would it be better is scores were not shown at all, just comments?

I will never, read NEVER let general consensus tell me how good or bad a photo is..ever.

Can and do I learn through study and discussion with other photgraphers something new and eye opening..most definitely.

But even if I got all 1's on a photo of mine that I thought was a 10 that would not make me vote any different on any other photo. To worry so much about a freindly competition that I would lose my perspective and reason for participating? That would invalidate every comment I have ever made concerning photographic skill and style.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

06/13/2002 09:38:01 PM · #9

If course, you have never scored lower than a five.

I know a few people that use this site, and it was something that we were discussing. I think we all try to get over it. But it definitely weighs on my mind. That is one reason I go over my votes several times. I usually end up changing a few votes every time I go over them. Comments sometimes too.

hokie

Nikon D2X

06/13/2002 10:03:40 PM · #10

I like watching the scores rise and fall..I cannot lie. I am just as curious as the next person.

But I made a decision after my first week or two here. I would not allow good or bad scores to affect what my goal was..to learn how to use my digital camera as well as I used to use a film camera, maybe even better.

To be honest, I try things with a digital camera I never would have tried with a film camera. Film developement cost too much to waste taking 70 photos to get the hang of a new idea.

But with digital I can screw around a lot and have a heck of a lot of fun and experiment. If I started to care too much about the scores here I would get that same feeling I had shooting too much wasted film..unhappy and cautious.

My goal is too get good enough that people say "you shot that with a digicam? Cool!"

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

06/13/2002 10:07:20 PM · #11

i believe this is one of the reasons that the overall average score on the site is pretty low. cautiously voting for everyone else so as to not give unfair advantage. i'm not saying anyone is doing this consciously of course :). it's just kind of a thing that sort of hangs over everything.

it would be useful to know the std deviation as well as your average. then you would know if more of your votes clustered around the average, or if you were getting a more bipolar response. "the lovers" and "the haters"

Originally posted by Zeissman:
If course, you have never scored lower than a five.

I know a few people that use this site, and it was something that we were discussing. I think we all try to get over it. But it definitely weighs on my mind. That is one reason I go over my votes several times. I usually end up changing a few votes every time I go over them. Comments sometimes too.

Reuben

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

06/13/2002 10:27:05 PM · #12

Originally posted by Zeissman:

How much does your current score affect your vote?

It doesn't. It wouldn't even make sense to let your score affect your vote. Your vote is 1 in 200, if your score affects my votes by, say, -1 on average, you've only given yourself a 0.005 bonus over the rest of the playing field.

hokie

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

06/13/2002 11:30:11 PM · #13

Of course, I always said lets just see how everyone votes on every photo. ;-)

Then the photgraphers who fear being outed as sucky judges would keep them from routinely voting folks low for other, more sinister purposes >:-) Muhahahah

Then all the votes would be arbitrarily high due to excessive ass kissing ..you just can't win.

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

06/14/2002 12:06:26 AM · #14

Who says human behavior has to make sense?

I am glad everyone here is so honorable to not let ego affect them in any way.

And unfortunately, I have never seen my score rise.

Originally posted by Reuben:
Originally posted by Zeissman:
[i]
How much does your current score affect your vote?

It doesn''t. It wouldn''t even make sense to let your score affect your vote. Your vote is 1 in 200, if your score affects my votes by, say, -1 on average, you''ve only given yourself a 0.005 bonus over the rest of the playing field.

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* This message has been edited by the author on 6/14/2002 12:08:04 AM.

lisae

Olympus C-720UZ

06/14/2002 01:00:05 AM · #15

I don't have an ego :)

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

06/14/2002 07:42:41 AM · #16

You don't sound glad ;)

Originally posted by Zeissman:
[i]I am glad everyone here is so honorable to not let ego affect them in any way.

clay

Kodak DC215

06/14/2002 08:01:09 AM · #17

i have love for everyone

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David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

06/14/2002 10:07:33 AM · #18

WELCOME BACK CLAY

irae

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8

06/14/2002 01:34:00 PM · #19

I'd like my love in the form of a check, please.

clay

Kodak DC215

06/14/2002 09:35:26 PM · #20

im not supposed to be back. when they figure out what ive done, i will be banned again