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10/17/2004 07:09:34 PM · #51 |
I see NO sun in that shot. It has clearly gone DOWN. The sun itself is not visible. Just its remaining influence.
I am afraid I may score low with Artyste. Even though my shot was taken at 2300 (11pm) Mountain time. We shall see. (C:
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10/17/2004 07:10:19 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sunsets, are not, at night.
Any sign of the sun's influence in a shot will immediately get a 2 from me, and you can cry and yell and scream about how I'm voting all you want.. but that's life :)
NO SUNSETS..
oy. |
Challenge Definition:
Calling all night owls! Take your best photograph after the sun goes down.
Definition of SUNSET:
The event or time of the daily disappearance of the sun below the western horizon.
Where exactly in here does it say NO SUNSETS????????
I saw a thread earlier about psycic commenting. Perhaps we need to also be psycic to figure out the voting. Why 2???? Why not 1 if you are going to vote irrationally, go all the way.
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10/17/2004 07:17:31 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sunsets, are not, at night.
Any sign of the sun's influence in a shot will immediately get a 2 from me, and you can cry and yell and scream about how I'm voting all you want.. but that's life :)
NO SUNSETS..
oy. |
Challenge Definition:
Calling all night owls! Take your best photograph after the sun goes down.
Definition of SUNSET:
The event or time of the daily disappearance of the sun below the western horizon.
Where exactly in here does it say NO SUNSETS????????
I saw a thread earlier about psycic commenting. Perhaps we need to also be psycic to figure out the voting. Why 2???? Why not 1 if you are going to vote irrationally, go all the way. |
It's not irrational. Sunsets are a dime a dozen. Anyone and their dog can grab a shot of them. The spirit of the challenge has nothing to do with a dictionary. A lot of people will probably vote sunsets high. Hell, they'll probably ribbon.
However, I'm voting 2. I may vote 1 if it's a truly *bad* photo of a sunset, but I'll give 2 for a decent sunset. Just the way I am. Like I said, complain all you want, but my post was more just a reaction to the constant bickering about what a challenge means every single mother-lovin' time we *HAVE* a challenge.. It's *obvious*.. to me.. what this challenge is meant to get people out to do.. and shooting a sunset isn't.. to me.. what it's about.
So.. whatever :)
Too many people taking this site *far*.. *FAR*.. too seriously sometimes.
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10/17/2004 07:19:57 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Night Shot II
Challenge Details: Calling all night owls! Take your best photograph after the sun goes down.
I don't see the problem here.
-Terry |
:)
I wasn't ignoring you Clubjuggle. I appreciate your chiming in. I'm afraid not even you can change the way some of the voters choose to interpret how a photo meets a challenge. Even when reading straight from the challenge description.
It would be helpful to have the challenge title more clearly support the challenge description. It's unfortunate that good photos are being marked down over this confusion.
Good luck in the challenge everyone!
I hope there are at least 100 sundown sunset shots.
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10/17/2004 07:41:10 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sunsets, are not, at night.
Any sign of the sun's influence in a shot will immediately get a 2 from me, and you can cry and yell and scream about how I'm voting all you want.. but that's life :)
NO SUNSETS..
oy. |
Challenge Definition:
Calling all night owls! Take your best photograph after the sun goes down.
Definition of SUNSET:
The event or time of the daily disappearance of the sun below the western horizon.
Where exactly in here does it say NO SUNSETS????????
I saw a thread earlier about psycic commenting. Perhaps we need to also be psycic to figure out the voting. Why 2???? Why not 1 if you are going to vote irrationally, go all the way. |
It's not irrational. Sunsets are a dime a dozen. Anyone and their dog can grab a shot of them. The spirit of the challenge has nothing to do with a dictionary. A lot of people will probably vote sunsets high. Hell, they'll probably ribbon.
However, I'm voting 2. I may vote 1 if it's a truly *bad* photo of a sunset, but I'll give 2 for a decent sunset. Just the way I am. Like I said, complain all you want, but my post was more just a reaction to the constant bickering about what a challenge means every single mother-lovin' time we *HAVE* a challenge.. It's *obvious*.. to me.. what this challenge is meant to get people out to do.. and shooting a sunset isn't.. to me.. what it's about.
So.. whatever :)
Too many people taking this site *far*.. *FAR*.. too seriously sometimes. |
I do take it seriously because I am trying very hard to improve my skills. The comments and votes received here are, generally, a great motivation for growth and improvement. You may view Sunsets as a dime a dozen. Your skills may have grown to a point where a beautiful sunset is boring to you. I however am very proud to capture a beautiful sunset. It is a new thing for me. If I choose to enter a sunset, I would like for my photo (meeting the definition of the challenge) to be judged fairly along side all the other entries based on the merits of the photo. I can't learn anything from votes and comments that are made that have nothing to do with the quality of the photo. I understand that a lot of back and forth happens about the definition of the challenge, and it can be tiring; however, I don't feel that it is warranted this time. That said, I am going to go have some diner and wait for the challenge to begin. Good luck to all, including you Artyste :) |
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10/17/2004 07:45:50 PM · #56 |
| Maybe I'm confused here, but if the sun is setting, yet has not set completely, which is what happens when you capture a sunset, then the sun isn't technically "down" and therefore would not meet the specific challenge instructions to capture something AFTER the sun goes "down"... but then again, that's just me. I'm not saying I'll be voting them down or anything like that... just throwing out one particular interpretation. Flame away! :o) |
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10/17/2004 07:54:00 PM · #57 |
Look.. dart.. sorry you feel that way. I understand your desire to improve and learn, but improving and learning by trying to fix the description of a challenge to your personal view of it, and then complaining because other people don't see it your way isn't helping.
Like I said, there will be a tonne of people marking sunsets in this challenge just like any other night shot.. So you will probably *get* your constructive critiques and whatnot.. but at the same time, you *have* to live with the fact that others are going to disagree.. or it'll tear you apart. Night, to me, means black skies, sodium lamps on the street, stars above, moon shining brightly. See what I mean?
As for scoring, my piddly twos.. or ones.. or threes.. or whatever I arbitrarily decide to give stuff I feel doesn't meet the challenge, doesn't make a whole lot of difference in the long run. I want to learn too.. and I can't learn how to get decent exposures of dark, night subjects if everyone decides sunsets are fine.. so I'm in the same predicament as you! I was really hoping people would take an opportunity (as most did in the first night shot challenge), to really raise the bar on how to shoot photographs when it's dark out.
So there we go. We both want to learn, we both have a strong opinion about what the challenge means, we're both going to score photos on how our personal criteria says we should.. (and on a site like *this*.. a good photo will *NOT* always score high. It's life.).. so yes, I agree with you.. good luck to you, and everyone else.. and we'll see how the majority of people view this challenge in the end. :)
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10/17/2004 08:33:31 PM · #58 |
| I agree with Artyste and will also vote the same. I think the meaning and spirit of this challenge is clear from the title. It's not "Dusk Shot" or "Sunset", "Sunrise" or "Daybreak." "Night" means total darkness vis-a-vis the sun. |
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10/17/2004 09:12:48 PM · #59 |
| I like your photo Gringo, as I do almost everything you post here. But I think your score would have suffered because it's not the kind that "hits the viewer over the head with the topic". It's a fine shot but you made the right decision. |
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10/17/2004 09:18:39 PM · #60 |
Technically, the sun is always up somewhere. It's not like it just turns itself off for a few hours. Hence... all entries in this cahllenge will receive a '1' from me with the comment "Does not meet challenge.".
ROFL! |
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10/17/2004 09:36:33 PM · #61 |
I have serious doubts about even entering this challenge, even though I really, really like the shots I managed to take for it (and it took me ages to finally pick one). Why? Because of all this nitpicking! What if someone used a very slow shutter speed, and you can see detail in the sky/landscape/water/whatever? What if it's not black out, but the deep blue of evening that follows sunset? What if the photo was processed to lighten it up so people wouldn't complain about it being too dark? What if there is an obviously unnatural lightsource (ie a street light) that isn't necessarily visible in the picture, but its effect is? Are people going to score everything that doesn't look like pitch black night low, assuming that it was edited to look darker, or that it was taken too early? Bah... this is crazy. It's one thing to stick by the definition, and another to pick at every little thing, just for an excuse to lower a score.
It was definitely dark out when I took my shots. The sun/sunset was nowhere in sight, and isn't in the photo I'm submitting. I'm expecting it to score low because it's obviously not totally black out (at least, it's not with a 2.5 second shutter speed and a heavy dose of proceessing). If it does score low, I want it to be because people dislike my shot. If it's because people don't believe it was nighttime, that's going to really, really irk me - but, after reading this thread, I won't be surprised. |
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10/17/2004 09:40:14 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by mocabela:
I have serious doubts about even entering this challenge, even though I really, really like the shots I managed to take for it (and it took me ages to finally pick one). Why? Because of all this nitpicking! What if someone used a very slow shutter speed, and you can see detail in the sky/landscape/water/whatever? What if it's not black out, but the deep blue of evening that follows sunset? What if the photo was processed to lighten it up so people wouldn't complain about it being too dark? What if there is an obviously unnatural lightsource (ie a street light) that isn't necessarily visible in the picture, but its effect is? Are people going to score everything that doesn't look like pitch black night low, assuming that it was edited to look darker, or that it was taken too early? Bah... this is crazy. It's one thing to stick by the definition, and another to pick at every little thing, just for an excuse to lower a score.
It was definitely dark out when I took my shots. The sun/sunset was nowhere in sight, and isn't in the photo I'm submitting. I'm expecting it to score low because it's obviously not totally black out (at least, it's not with a 2.5 second shutter speed and a heavy dose of proceessing). If it does score low, I want it to be because people dislike my shot. If it's because people don't believe it was nighttime, that's going to really, really irk me - but, after reading this thread, I won't be surprised. |
Every single challenge has this exact same amount of nitpicking.. so just keep that in mind. As for me, a sunset is very recognizable, and I've said where I stand on that, and I'm not addressing any other issue.. lol.. that'll be a game-time decision ;)
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10/17/2004 09:46:31 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by mocabela:
I have serious doubts about even entering this challenge, even though I really, really like the shots I managed to take for it (and it took me ages to finally pick one). Why? Because of all this nitpicking! What if someone used a very slow shutter speed, and you can see detail in the sky/landscape/water/whatever? What if it's not black out, but the deep blue of evening that follows sunset? What if the photo was processed to lighten it up so people wouldn't complain about it being too dark? What if there is an obviously unnatural lightsource (ie a street light) that isn't necessarily visible in the picture, but its effect is? Are people going to score everything that doesn't look like pitch black night low, assuming that it was edited to look darker, or that it was taken too early? |
My entry falls under 1 or 2 of these what if scenarios. I'm not going to unsubmit but I wouldn't be surprised if I get 2s and 3s. :)
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10/17/2004 09:49:06 PM · #64 |
Enter your shot mocabela!
Share it and have fun doing it.
I would have kept my mouth shut and left my picture in the contest if I didn't have a replacment shot. I'm not unhappy with the picture I posted here at all. But as you can see, you can't please everyone so just make sure you please yourself.
If I posted my new picture here and asked the same question.... it wouldn't really be any different. (So I hope I picked the right one).
Enter it Mocabela! and good luck |
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