Why should I upgrade to 20D? - DPChallenge Forums

10/08/2004 12:59:59 PM · #1

Well I just placed my name on the waiting list at Simon's Camera's in Montreal. Kevin says it should be sometime next week, or so.

While I'm waiting, I'm trying to see if there's any reason why I should not upgrade vs why I should. I don't really think I'm doing it for the speed (although 5 FPS SOUNDS great!), or for the additional customs controls (I have the hack on my DRebel). What I really want is better image quality, better exposure control, better colour rendition and contrast.

Is there enough difference between the Rebel and the 20D in these areas to warrant the upgrade.

Any opinions or knowledge on the mater would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

digistoune

Canon EOS-20D

10/08/2004 02:06:26 PM · #2

This oughta be interesting! Thanks for posting Mariomel :-)

notonline

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/08/2004 02:10:23 PM · #3

you should upgrade to sell me your old equipment at a very low cost. By doing his you will make yourself happy by getting a new camera and knowing that you have done a good deed by giving me your old camera relatively cheap :D. now if these aren't good enough reasons then I realy don't know what is. :D

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

10/08/2004 02:12:52 PM · #4

Originally posted by mariomel:

What I really want is better image quality, better exposure control, better colour rendition and contrast.

Is there enough difference between the Rebel and the 20D in these areas to warrant the upgrade.

Image quality - you will see some difference in quality at the higher ISO settings on the 20d... it should be better.

Better exposure control - no difference that I'm aware of other than better metering capabilities.

Better color rendition and contrast - I doubt you will see any difference at all.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

10/08/2004 02:13:21 PM · #5

not often you hear of someone unhappy with the rebel's image quality

better exposure control ... better than manual mode?

color and contrast ... aren't they attributes of the lens?

i'd say hold off on the purchase if that's all you're looking for

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/08/2004 02:38:32 PM · #6

Why not invest in better lenses instead? (I don't know what you have, but there's always something more expensive, like L lenses, that will give you better image quality!)

Also a better investment in the future than a new camera, assuming you always stay with Canon.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/08/2004 02:41:01 PM · #7

I'm on the same fence, our local Fry's has them in stock. I got about five feet from paying for it and got cold feet. Other than the FPS and the nine metering points where are the advantages? On the other hand a one year old rebel is selling for a decent price on EBay right now, the question is will it continue to keep it's value, after all the 20d is in theory built better ( still no gasketing, sigh) so it ougt to last longer.
In the end I decided to get the batterey grip and save up for the 10-20efs that is due out soonish.

mirdonamy

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/08/2004 02:47:07 PM · #8

Okay, I have had my 20D for exactly one week today. I must say that the image colors are sooooo much more even, better! The control over white balance and saturation in the paramaters is amazing. I learned how to mess with that this past week as I stepped through page by page of the manual. I am 1/2 way through it.

I love what you can do with color in-camera, and i really love having better focus points for al-servo purposes. I still wish it has eye-controlled auto-focus, but oh well, I am pretty good at manual focus.

I upgraded to the 20D for a few reasons... the enhanced chip (better color / saturation / control), better quality (it's 8mpx), more focus points, better white balance control without having to shoot in RAW (since i do most of my work in jpg).

So far, I really love the camera! I am planning a 1/2 day outing this Saturday to really test it's abilities in broad daylight!

mirdonamy

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/08/2004 02:48:59 PM · #9

PS. I am not sure if you are using the in-camera flash or an external. If you are using the in-camera flash, you will be very very happy with the 20D!!! Even the 10D has a great internal flash, but it's not as high up (to help prevent red-eye and avoid the edge of a long lens). In the 10D and 20D you have control over the flash exposure (how bright or dim). It's sooooooo useful!!!

Jacko

Canon EOS-20D

10/08/2004 02:56:56 PM · #10

1) it's black, so more badasser

2) new toys are fun.

10/08/2004 07:29:01 PM · #11

Originally posted by Jacko:

1) it's black, so more badasser

2) new toys are fun.

I think deep down, I'm with Jacko. I love new toys! But somehow, I can't justify this purchase with that reason. I bought my Zenitar FishEye lens for that reason, because it was only a hundred or so bucks.

This purchase has to be for a real reason.

Here's the gear I have:

-Drebel
-Canon 28-135 IS USM (love this lens!)
-Canon 50 1.8
-Canon 18-55 kit lens
-Sigma 70-300 APO Super Macro (want to upgrade this)
-Zenitar 16mm 2.8 FE (lot's o' fun!)
-Canon Ex420 flash
-Tripod
-2 x 500W Tungsten lighting rig for studio stuff
-Coccoon lighting tent

I do shoot somewhat professionaly as I take product shots for my company, which are used in store promos, on packaging, etc. We used to have a "real" pro and me on the side (for in-house stuff), but they seem to have found that I'm taking some pretty decent shots, so I think I'm the new "pro". If we do bigger stuff, maybe billboards, I would probably be the photographer. So I guess I need some decent equipment to get the best out my work. There's no way I can justify a 1D MII. We just can't afford it. So the 8MP is good in that sense.

I got to hold one today, as I passed by a camera store in a different neighborhood. The saleman said they had one in stock! WOW! As I was holding the floor model and reaching for my wallet at the same time, he checked the computer and came back and said that the other saleman had just sold the last one about 1 hour earlier. Damn! Anyway, it felt REALLY GOOD in my hands. Much more solid feel than my Rebel. The shutter release felt very sturdy as well. Anyway they're supposed to get more on Tuesday. I love my Rebel, but this felt really great.

Based on how I felt holding it, and the extra MPs, along with the newer chip, the AI servo control, I think i'm going to make this move. The point about Rebels still selling for good $$$ is also a good one. I have a couple of people that are interrested in buying my Rebel right now.

Oh yeah, and it's black and that's more badasser! Thanks Jacques, I know there was a reason. Thanks to all the others as well.

PS. Sorry for the extra long post.

Message edited by author 2004-10-08 19:38:21.

Pentax SMC DA 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR

10/08/2004 07:36:55 PM · #12

I'm not unhappy with the Rebel, but can I get better. Better is always better, no?

Sorry I meant metering control, not exposure control.

I also forgot the AI servo, which Wasia will probably never unlock on the Rebel.

Originally posted by hopper:

drz01

Pentax K50

10/08/2004 07:40:13 PM · #13

Originally posted by mirdonamy:

I have the feature on my lowly Olympus C-720 and yes it is very useful.

W.R.Miller

Canon EOS-50D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/08/2004 07:46:55 PM · #14

I have both the Digital Rebel and the 20D. I love my DR no less now that I have the 20D. For the reasons you have posted I probably wouldn't upgrade. The only reason I have both is because I need a backup because I am going to start shooting events.

Which camera have I used most since I have received my 20D? My Digital Rebel. I haven't found anything yet that the DR hasn't been able to handle and had to pull the 20D out for.

However, on the 20D the 5FPS is sweet!!! The very, very low noise at high ISOs is awesome!!!

Both are great cameras. Are you going to be keeping your DR as a backup also since you are doing professional work for your company?

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

10/08/2004 08:04:59 PM · #15

Originally posted by wackybill:

However, on the 20D the 5FPS is sweet!!! The very, very low noise at high ISOs is awesome!!!

Both are great cameras. Are you going to be keeping your DR as a backup also since you are doing professional work for your company?

I was not thinking of keeping it, but it might make sense to do so.

The lower noise at high ISO is also one of the reasons I'm wanting to upgrade. I still find myself avoiding the higher ISOs because of higher noise. I know I can get rid of it in post, but would rather not have to. Don't get me wrong, the Rebel is GREAT compared to my old Fuji S602Z, but if I can get better...

Plus it's black, and that's more badasser....repeat. LOL!

W.R.Miller

Canon EOS-50D

10/08/2004 08:18:54 PM · #16

The color of the camera thing never bothered me. I guess some it does though.

wimbello

Canon EOS-10D

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Canon

10/08/2004 08:26:57 PM · #17

My opinion:
Get an "L" lens. Until I bought mine, I was using a 35-135mm Canon, f/4-5.6 on my 10D and 100QD(film).
I did my own test, which entailed a tripod, a Camelia bush in flower, 50mm, f/5.6 (on both lenses), and same shutter as well, same ISO.

The 24-70 made a difference even I didn't expect. It was such a DRASTIC difference in image quality, sharpnessm etc...

So, get an L lens. Maybe not the 24-70 f/2.8, but something fast, and hi-qual. Your shots from the 300D will look clearer.

Message edited by author 2004-10-08 20:27:26.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/08/2004 08:37:54 PM · #18

I'm going to hold off upgrading, its going to take me a year or so to get to grips with the 300d, plus my new hobby has cost me about Â£2,000 so far this year

The Jessops black 300D is advertised as an exclusve in the UK. At first glance it seems expensive @ Â£849 with the (apparently non badass) silver version Â£200 cheaper. A guy at work picked his up with the grip, a 1 gig sandisk card and another 1 gig card sent after registering. 2 gig of memory and a grip would cost over Â£200 in the UK so maybe its a good deal? ...and you get to look badass

10/08/2004 09:44:42 PM · #19

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

The Jessops black 300D is advertised as an exclusve in the UK. At first glance it seems expensive @ Â£849 with the (apparently non badass) silver version Â£200 cheaper. A guy at work picked his up with the grip, a 1 gig sandisk card and another 1 gig card sent after registering. 2 gig of memory and a grip would cost over Â£200 in the UK so maybe its a good deal? ...and you get to look badass

I don't really care about the colour. I just like to use the word: BADASS. Oh that feels great! LOL

Jacko

Canon EOS-20D

10/08/2004 09:46:37 PM · #20

Goddamit ... stop being so frickin' logical. Get the 20D and you will feel badass. do it do it do it!!!!!!!!!!!

as per your wife: It's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

Got get 'em.

Originally posted by mariomel:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

The Jessops black 300D is advertised as an exclusve in the UK. At first glance it seems expensive @ Â£849 with the (apparently non badass) silver version Â£200 cheaper. A guy at work picked his up with the grip, a 1 gig sandisk card and another 1 gig card sent after registering. 2 gig of memory and a grip would cost over Â£200 in the UK so maybe its a good deal? ...and you get to look badass

I don't really care about the colour. I just like to use the word: BADASS. Oh that feels great! LOL

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

10/08/2004 09:48:45 PM · #21

Can't ya get your company to buy it for you? ;)

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

10/08/2004 09:51:02 PM · #22

Originally posted by Jacko:

What he said!

10/09/2004 07:52:16 AM · #23

Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by Jacko:
Goddamit ... stop being so frickin' logical. Get the 20D and you will feel badass. do it do it do it!!!!!!!!!!!

as per your wife: It's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

Got get 'em.

What he said!

I got "clearance" from both parties. Work is willing to do it for me, as long as we continue our arrangement, which works for me, because it gives me work and allows me to learn. My wife is OK with it, but is starting to wonder if this will ever stop. I have upgraded three times in 3 years. Oh well, c'est la vie!

I still wanted to make sure I was doing this for reasons other than my need to have new gadgets. I guess the options of being able to control all the settings as opposed to the DR deciding many things for you, is pretty much worth the extra $. I saw a thread on DPReview yesterday that compared the noise levels from 20D to 10D (same as DR) at ISO 3200. The difference was quite remarkable.

I'm going to call around the city today, and see if anybody has any in stock.

I doubt it, but now that I want one, I want it TODAY!

Message edited by author 2004-10-09 07:53:23.

soup

Canon EOS-30D