Before anyone screams about Masters getting 1s

10/01/2004 11:46:21 AM · #1

Having done my first draft of voting on the 69 entries I had a range of scores between 5 and 9.

That's using my normal scale of voting where a 5 is an image that I don't think is "bad" per se but holds no appeal for me at all.

But since that means I am not really making full use of the scale I decided to create a new scale for voting this challenge to better allow me to rank the images... there are times when I am normally voting that I want to give an image a 7.5 but I can't.

Well I figured since I had nothing below a 5 on this challenge I would redefine my scale to effectively allow me to do just that.

10 This image is excellent!
9
8 I like this image a lot
7
6 I like this image overall
5
4 There is at least one aspect of this image I like but I can't say I really like the image as a whole
3
2 Nothing about this image appeals to me personally
1

All this means that anyone getting a 1 or 2 from me would normally get a 5, anyone getting a 3 or 4 from me would normally get a 6, anyone getting a 5 or 6 from me would normally get a 7, anyone getting a 7 or 8 from me would normally get an 8 and anyone getting a 9 or 10 from me here would normally get a 9 or 10!

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 12:25:33.

10/01/2004 12:27:31 PM · #2

So... your masters challenge votes will be over-all, "lower" than other challenges?

The buzzzz is that everyone is giving away more 8, 9 and 10's than ever before. Hehehe, it's impossible to figure out how I'm doing by looking at my score.

It will be interesting to see where and why everything falls into place. It's hard to view pictures that are so unrelated in composition and emotion and decide which is better at a given moment.

I think I will be going back over the pictures several times during the week so I can view them in the best frame of mind. (My Friday attitude is usually more festive than my Monday attitude). So my initial vote is the base line and I will be bumping them up through the week.

10/01/2004 12:39:29 PM · #3

I personally think this is lame. Why, just because the images are better than normal should one change their scale. Call me nutty, but I voted on them based upon the same scale I always use. You would need everyone to change their scales to have any meaning, you alone are just skewing the overall base vote.

-danny

10/01/2004 12:45:08 PM · #4

Lame or not, it's how I'm choosing to vote.
Get over it.

10/01/2004 12:45:48 PM · #5

I am, just think it's a bit odd to change how you vote for one challenge just because the images are better than normal.

-danny

10/01/2004 12:45:50 PM · #6

Originally posted by crabappl3:

But if Kavey puts the ones she likes best at the top and the ones of less appeal at the bottom, does it really matter? I don't think so. I don't find it lame at all. (ok, maybe a little bizzare ;P )

10/01/2004 12:49:18 PM · #7

Actually it's not that the images are better than normal but that there is an absence of really poor images. The images in this challenge all fall between 5 and 9 on my normal voting scale.

I'm not revising my scale because I'd be wanting an 11 or 12 if I stuck to it, at all!

I simply like to be able to show which images I like better than others, which images appeal more to me than others.

Given the absence of real stinkers I can spread my vote out to do just that.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 12:50:01.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/01/2004 12:50:25 PM · #8

Is it lame because people are feeling protective about their average vote received or something????

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

10/01/2004 12:52:19 PM · #9

Originally posted by crabappl3:

I am, just think it's a bit odd to change how you vote for one challenge just because the images are better than normal.

-danny

I didn't find 'better than normal' to be the case in this challenge unfortunately. Normally when I vote a free study, I give tens to approximately 10% of the photos in the challenge. That didn't happen this time... I gave 3 tens out of 69 photos. Thats about 4%. I had high hopes of giving out a lot more high scores, but it just didn't happen. Maybe the constricted user base in this challenge did not provide the large number of great photos that were expected?

They are better than normal on the low end. I didn't give anything lower than a 4.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 12:53:38.

10/01/2004 12:54:51 PM · #10

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by crabappl3:
I am, just think it's a bit odd to change how you vote for one challenge just because the images are better than normal.

-danny

I didn't find 'better than normal' to be the case in this challenge unfortunately. Normally when I vote a free study, I give tens to approximately 10% of the photos in the challenge. That didn't happen this time... I gave 3 tens out of 69 photos. Thats about 4%. I had high hopes of giving out a lot more high scores, but it just didn't happen. Maybe the constricted user base in this challenge did not provide the large number of great photos that were expected?

As we discussed in chat, I totally agree. I didn't post about it because so many were enthusing about how incredible all the entries were and so on and I felt maybe I was the only one failing to appreciate some of them!

To me the only difference is that there are no entries that I consider to be really really poor images on a technical basis or that I actually dislike in terms of content. There are some I'm neutral on in terms of content - they don't do anything for me. But none I actively dislike.

10/01/2004 12:56:16 PM · #11

No

I have a 6.28, but I really like my shot. Regardless of it's score, I will probably print it and frame it for my wall.

I only gave 3 - 10s this time, but a lot of 9s - 7s. I normally have very few 7s and 8s, so to me, this challenge is a bit above normal in quality.

Vote how you want... but since it's an anonymous process, what's the point of sharing you scale with everyone? If you're the only one giving 2s, then we now know who gave them :-)

-danny

Originally posted by Kavey:

Is it lame because people are feeling protective about their average vote received or something????

10/01/2004 12:56:46 PM · #12

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

What an odd perspective from all the other comments I've read about the quality of these photos. Me thinks you need a Friday attitude adjustment, or a beer or something. ;) I think they are overall outstanding.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

10/01/2004 12:58:55 PM · #13

Does that mean I need a beer too?
I think some ARE outstanding but that some are, as I said above, ones that I wouldn't give more than a 5 or 6 too even on my normal scale.
That means I feel that there is nothing wrong with them per se but that I don't find anything about them that I like.
But then again, there are many that I think are lovely!

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

10/01/2004 01:00:43 PM · #14

Originally posted by Gringo:

It was just a simple comparison against the scores i hand out in other free study challenges. Maybe one of the reasons I didn't hand out so many high scores is because 20 of the 69 shots are landscapes. I rarely score high on a landscape unless there is something i find incredibly intriguing about it. I did give a 10 to one of the landscape photos in this challenge, but i didn't find anything spectacular about the rest of them. It's all in personal taste though. We all tend to vote higher on themes that inspire us in some way.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/01/2004 01:00:51 PM · #15

Originally posted by crabappl3:

I shared it so people would know that getting a 1 from me was not the same as getting a 1 normally. I shared it so that, post challenge, we didn't get the same old threads ranting about how anyone could possibly give a low score to the image the poster had picked out to hero worship. I shared it because I thought it was an interesting idea and wanted to share it.

Do I need more reasons or approval from a committee before I choose to share something in the forums?

I find it interesting that, because you feel the idea is lame, you question my choice to discuss it in forums at all.

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graphicfunk

Canon EOS-20D

10/01/2004 01:05:31 PM · #16

Hey Kavey: you have the right to influence the outcome in what ever way you wish. Some of us have found a voting method while others search. This is what this site is all about: each member has total charge and the freedom to change or alter their voting style as they seem fit according to their wisdom or desire.

10/01/2004 01:09:11 PM · #17

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Indeed. And I certainly am not such a self-doubter that I will change my mind just because someone thinks my idea is lame. I just found it interesting that my decision to use the forums to present my idea would be questioned just because someone didn't like it.

As I said, mainly I was trying to forestall future threads along the lines of "But how could ANYONE give THIS a 1". Probably won't work anyway! LOL

10/01/2004 01:09:19 PM · #18

You have the right to do what you please...

If you feel it's necessary to let everyone know you've altered your voting scale for this one challenge, so be it. Who am I to change that? I'm just a 'crabAPPL3'

-danny

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by crabappl3:
No

I have a 6.28, but I really like my shot. Regardless of it's score, I will probably print it and frame it for my wall.

I only gave 3 - 10s this time, but a lot of 9s - 7s. I normally have very few 7s and 8s, so to me, this challenge is a bit above normal in quality.

Vote how you want... but since it's an anonymous process, what's the point of sharing you scale with everyone? If you're the only one giving 2s, then we now know who gave them :-)

-danny
Originally posted by Kavey:
Is it lame because people are feeling protective about their average vote received or something????

I shared it so people would know that getting a 1 from me was not the same as getting a 1 normally. I shared it so that, post challenge, we didn't get the same old threads ranting about how anyone could possibly give a low score to the image the poster had picked out to hero worship. I shared it because I thought it was an interesting idea and wanted to share it.

Do I need more reasons or approval from a committee before I choose to share something in the forums?

I find it interesting that, because you feel the idea is lame, you question my choice to discuss it in forums at all.

10/01/2004 01:09:56 PM · #19

How do I use that little scuttling crab icon from chat in here?
Darn it!

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

10/01/2004 01:11:11 PM · #20

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

It's all in personal taste though. We all tend to vote higher on themes that inspire us in some way.

Yes I agree!
This is exactly why It's impossible to pick a "best" out of such a diverse variety of "free challenge" photos. The mass appeal is generally different than my own taste. I don't like the free challenges for that reason alone. I think they should have at least some basic guidelines to all be somewhat on the same theme.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

10/01/2004 01:12:13 PM · #21

Originally posted by Kavey:

...I shared it so people would know that getting a 1 from me was not the same as getting a 1 normally...

Unfortunately, down the road, if someone goes back & sees ones & twos, they don't know your scale was shifted. I'll continue to use my normal scale. I can't see giving a low score to a good image, just because it's a (less impressive) part of an impressive population.

Originally posted by Kavey:

Do I need more reasons or approval from a committee before I choose to share something in the forums?

LOL, certainly not, however when you share, you are effectively putting the idea up for debate. Perhaps some of us are not as eloquent as we might be, but don't take offense. The discussion/debate is part of the fun.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/01/2004 01:15:05 PM · #22

a ONE from you in this challenge IS the same as a ONE given in any other challenge. how could it be any different?

at least that's how i see it.

10/01/2004 01:18:38 PM · #23

:(

I just got a 4 from one of my heros on this site.

(It wasn't you Kavey, but regardless of the scale, a 4 is still only a 4 )

:(