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09/21/2004 03:07:39 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
I think a major factor is who will be voting. Quite possibly, many of us 'masters' are more receptive to exploratory methods and techniques in photography than the average voter (granted, that may not be true, but it's the sense I get). If so called 'masters' are the only ones voting, I strongly suspect that more emotive photos such as John posits will do better than if everyone votes. It could just be that some 'masters' know the 'rules' of photography well enough to break them once in a while (or see them broken effectively) when other elements, such as emotive qualities, are more important.
Or am I 'up in the night?' |
I hope your assessment is correct, David - otherwise, we'vee only learned how to take photographs, and not how to look at them.
The oher thing is, however, that as far as I recall, everyone gets to vote.
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09/21/2004 03:10:47 PM · #52 |
I would think that it's important to remember that the "masters", in this case, have been determined by the voting public of DPC, whose very tastes made them the "masters". I am not sure if they would any more receptive or not to exploratory methods, etc. I am not making an argument either way - just bringing it up.
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09/21/2004 03:14:11 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
I think a major factor is who will be voting. Quite possibly, many of us 'masters' are more receptive to exploratory methods and techniques in photography than the average voter (granted, that may not be true, but it's the sense I get). If so called 'masters' are the only ones voting, I strongly suspect that more emotive photos such as John posits will do better than if everyone votes. It could just be that some 'masters' know the 'rules' of photography well enough to break them once in a while (or see them broken effectively) when other elements, such as emotive qualities, are more important.
Or am I 'up in the night?' |
I agree :)
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09/21/2004 03:17:35 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
I would think that it's important to remember that the "masters", in this case, have been determined by the voting public of DPC, whose very tastes made them the "masters". I am not sure if they would any more receptive or not to exploratory methods, etc. I am not making an argument either way - just bringing it up. |
And do you think those 'masters' have achieved that by accientally happening to have a style that is liked here, or by in some sense 'working out' how to score well here?
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09/21/2004 03:24:48 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by Kylie:
I would think that it's important to remember that the "masters", in this case, have been determined by the voting public of DPC, whose very tastes made them the "masters". I am not sure if they would any more receptive or not to exploratory methods, etc. I am not making an argument either way - just bringing it up. |
And do you think those 'masters' have achieved that by accientally happening to have a style that is liked here, or by in some sense 'working out' how to score well here?
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I think it happens both ways. I think it primarily happens by the latter, but occasionally its by style. Some photographers 'style' IS the latter.
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09/21/2004 03:27:37 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by Kylie:
I would think that it's important to remember that the "masters", in this case, have been determined by the voting public of DPC, whose very tastes made them the "masters". I am not sure if they would any more receptive or not to exploratory methods, etc. I am not making an argument either way - just bringing it up. |
And do you think those 'masters' have achieved that by accientally happening to have a style that is liked here, or by in some sense 'working out' how to score well here?
Excellent question, and one that I wouldn't even begin to try to answer simply! I think that it is probably a mixture of both and more. I have noticed so often people wondering in the forums: "do I shoot/submit what I like or what will score well?" Months ago I probably wouldn't have understoood that there was a difference. Plese understand, I am not making a judgement or decision - just that I think it is a piece of the picture in the Master's Challenge.
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09/21/2004 03:28:04 PM · #57 |
My final thought here is that any picture can win. We can all take our cameras and do candid shots for several weeks...while most of these will be merely snapshots..some will be outstanding because either the lighting was most appropiate at that moment, the expressions or the composition rises above the confinement of its limitations to touch the soul...but not all of these will rise that high.
Each field has its gripping nucleus. When you depart from the studio to the candid, you are free of the shackles. You feel you are capturing reality rather then the contrived. When you depart from the candid into the studio you feel a sense of strenght and control. Ah, we ask ourselves, can I not excell in both? The answer is yes. There are many other fields, such as action, etc, etc...but the candid will always remain the most inaffected and the least contrived because the search is not the image, but the character. However, character is very illusive to bring forth. Yet, it can be done...However, this does not render the other fields anyless worthy. So, all fields, if well presented can win in the masters. |
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09/21/2004 03:32:10 PM · #58 |
Here's the thing.
Choice one or two......just make sure YOU like the shot.
I've gone with what others have told me and got my ass kicked.
I"ve gone with what I like and do better.
Whatever you do it will be good...that's your standard. I get nervous when you go with number one though because when you set out to win...that means I lose. lol
BUT...we all benefit. You win, we get to look at a damn nice shot AND we get to learn from you.
Just make sure YOU like it.
I'll quit babbling now.
Regards,
Randy |
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09/21/2004 03:39:29 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
I would think that it's important to remember that the "masters", in this case, have been determined by the voting public of DPC, whose very tastes made them the "masters". I am not sure if they would any more receptive or not to exploratory methods, etc. I am not making an argument either way - just bringing it up. |
Exactly right. Although I agree that most (no, make that all) of the masters deserve to be in the 'masters' category, I think we can all think of examples of other dpcers who are "master photographers" but haven't taken the dpc-style pictures to win.
I think dpc mostly attracts a certain type of photographer anyway, but there are those few who don't fit the dpc mold and won't win with their photographs.
Remember, this is not a Master Photographers Challenge, but a DPC-Masters Challenge. If dpc wishes to attract an even more diverse crowd, we had better hope that the Master's challenge produces many Choice2-type of photographs. |
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09/21/2004 03:44:41 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Remember, this is not a Master Photographers Challenge, but a DPC-Masters Challenge. If dpc wishes to attract an even more diverse crowd, we had better hope that the Master's challenge produces many Choice2-type of photographs. |
You said it perfectly. Thanks for sayng my thoughts better than me! lol
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09/21/2004 06:37:08 PM · #61 |
Definitely #2.
The Masters Challenge is an opportunity. Show us something new. Turn the challenge around and challenge me, the viewer, to think. Teach me something.
-Terry
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09/21/2004 06:57:19 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
John, I think I can understand your dilemma but would not presume to tell you which door to choose. However, you have gained an additional measure of respect from me (and it should also come from the entire dpc community) for starting this thread. Bringing the debate about formulaic/recipe type shots versus high quality emotive/candid images to the fore is a service to us all. All newbies should be forced to study up on the subject before they can vote. Thanks. |
I agreed with this first! : )
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I am going to try to win a ribbon in some challenge with a candid/emotive photo. That would possibly prove to be more of a challenge for me in the long run. The free study is probably a good forum for that. A lot of challenge topics don't lend themselves well to the idea. |
Not that I was expecting a ribbon, but I was trying to do something like that with my entry for Feet. That's part of what can make the challenges extra-challenging -- to find something truly original or offbeat which will still meet the challenge directly enough to attain DPC mass appeal.
Like I said in my first comment, I'm glad not only because I'll get to see another good photo, but for your bringing this issue up for discussion. |
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09/27/2004 11:38:33 AM · #63 |
| I'm actually starting to look forward to the photos in this challenge. I would like to see the idea continue in the future as well. I would also like to see it continue as a free study rather than themed challenges. The free study challenges have always been my favorite to vote on. They give the photographers an opportunity to show their own intrests rather than having to shoot something specifically for a challenge. |
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09/27/2004 02:17:38 PM · #64 |
John Setzler, I'm glad you posted this thread!
And I'm glad you decided to enter a shot. I have mentally beat myself up over this challenge for several weeks. I don't have many shots in my lifetime that I would consider worthy of the "Master" title, let alone one taken this month. Not to mention going head to head with real good photographers without needing to adhere to a creative interperetation of a topic. I've not done well in the free challenges, so, this challenge is intimidating to say the least.
I wasn't going to enter the challenge either, I don't think my best work would be appreciated here. I've decided this is my opportunity to express "MY" work. The work I like to do just the way I like to do it. I know going into this challenge that the majority of the voters will not likely appreciate my work. I'm not in this one for the ribbon, I'm in this one for the expression. Just to be included means I've already won, so I'm going out on a limb, comfortably. There are no losers.
I am going to enjoy viewing the entries in this challenge. I'm glad you decided to enter your work. |
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09/27/2004 02:50:04 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
I wasn't going to enter the challenge either, I don't think my best work would be appreciated here. I've decided this is my opportunity to express "MY" work. The work I like to do just the way I like to do it. I know going into this challenge that the majority of the voters will not likely appreciate my work. I'm not in this one for the ribbon, I'm in this one for the expression. Just to be included means I've already won, so I'm going out on a limb, comfortably. There are no losers.
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Because of this post, and John's, I'm really looking forward to voting on this one. Gringo, your work is incredible and I can see why your favourite photos aren't appreciated here. Your work gives me something to aspire to. Very nice... |
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09/27/2004 04:40:57 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Because of this post, and John's, I'm really looking forward to voting on this one. Gringo, your work is incredible and I can see why your favourite photos aren't appreciated here. Your work gives me something to aspire to. Very nice... |
Wow! Thanks Thatcloudthere!!
I wish "I" could see why my favorites aren't appreciated. ;)
Honestly, thanks for the vote of confidence.
:) |
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09/27/2004 04:46:03 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
I wish "I" could see why my favorites aren't appreciated. ;)
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I just think they would go against the clean, studio look that many voters here appreciate. I guess I appreciate that look as well, but I much prefer the emotion and 1000 words I find in your photos.
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09/27/2004 05:02:59 PM · #68 |
i would just enter, being confident that i've already won twice, so why not just go for it.
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09/27/2004 05:09:23 PM · #69 |
Why all the pontificating about a month long challenge?
It's a masters challenge, for ribbon winners, so show us what you can do.
Are you afraid of joining me at the bottom of the pile?? Is it beneath you all to come, dare I say it, in the bottom section of the challenge?
At least I am always down here, so come and join me...if you dare!! |
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09/27/2004 05:13:42 PM · #70 |
Quote of a wise man.
Originally posted by kiwiness:
The main reason I am here at DPC and I guess most other people too is to take part in the challenges, in the battle to score as highly as possible and hopefully even win a ribbon. In order to do this and gain a high placing one has to submit a photo which uses the winning recipe you mentioned as much as possible, it's as easy as that!
If I whan to do emotive and other kinds of phtography then I can do that for myself or other people/websites or put them in my portfolio, whatever. There is a whole large world out there besides DPC. |
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09/27/2004 05:37:50 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
John Setzler, I'm glad you posted this thread!
And I'm glad you decided to enter a shot. I have mentally beat myself up over this challenge for several weeks. I don't have many shots in my lifetime that I would consider worthy of the "Master" title, let alone one taken this month. Not to mention going head to head with real good photographers without needing to adhere to a creative interperetation of a topic. I've not done well in the free challenges, so, this challenge is intimidating to say the least.
I wasn't going to enter the challenge either, I don't think my best work would be appreciated here. I've decided this is my opportunity to express "MY" work. The work I like to do just the way I like to do it. I know going into this challenge that the majority of the voters will not likely appreciate my work. I'm not in this one for the ribbon, I'm in this one for the expression. Just to be included means I've already won, so I'm going out on a limb, comfortably. There are no losers.
I am going to enjoy viewing the entries in this challenge. I'm glad you decided to enter your work. |
I'm looking forward to seeing what you enter. The entries that make me think will be the ones I score highest.
Good luck!
-Terry
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09/27/2004 05:41:00 PM · #72 |
I`ve entered this challenge. However i know it`s not going to win but it`s the type of photo i like taking, and i`ve wanted to take it for a while but not got around to it.
The masters challenge is a good idea but i do feel a little extra pressure on this one compared to normal challenges. I think because it`s called the masters challenge voters will be expecting average scores of 7+.
My only hope is that everyone who qualifies for this challenge gives it a shot because there can be no brown ribbon in this challenge. |
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09/27/2004 05:45:55 PM · #73 |
| Lets not make this a class thing. In whatever challenge, whoever comes first has the blue (official) and whoever comes last has the brown (unofficial). |
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09/27/2004 05:50:47 PM · #74 |
Thanks Clubjuggle!
I have a curious feeling that the photos in this challenge might be viewed and voted on much differently than other challenges.
There wont be hundreds of entries in this challenge.
I think each photograph will be viewed in a way that challenges the viewer as to why it was submitted. Just that by itself makes this a worthwhile experiment. Just knowing there is respectable talent behind every entry might slow the speed voters down and encourage them to stop and study them all. Photos will likely be viewed considerably longer in this challenge during the voting. I know I will be viewing them all more carefully. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the combination of winning elements in this challenge to be very different from the challenges that rely on first impression punch and wow impact.
This should be interesting.
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09/28/2004 01:33:22 PM · #75 |
Vampires are real! I got the chance to photograph a real one, although I was scared to pieces... This is one of frumoaznicul's friends from down in Transylvania :) This was going to be my master's challenge photo but I chickened out because it doesn't have that "DPC kick" to it :))) The first places will be landscape shots anyway, so unless I find a decent landscape somewhere around here in the next few days I guess I'll be sitting this one out. But then again I still have two more days :)
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