A Plagerist afoot? - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

09/12/2004 11:06:21 PM · #1

Hey all, just felt the need to point out that the photo entered in the 'city guides' named '[deleted]' looks an awful lot like MY [deleted] shot. IT EVEN IS NAMED THE SAME! I refuse to believe this is a coincidence. I've already E-mailed the author and told them exactly what I think of their inoriginality. I've also recommended that this photo be disqualified. Now, while i doubt what the plagerist did was illegal, simply because he/she shot their shot and I shot mine. but, to the author I say, have some morals and enough respect for yourself and your art as to not 'redo' my photo. I wish I could put them both up on here so you could all compare, but i've already voted 1 on that horrific example of 'originality' and as I said before, recommended it be disqualified. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't like having my photos redone by people who didn't like it. [shot description deleted]. And naming it the same is just disrespectful. Some of you may chalk it up to coincidence, but I for one will not have my art mocked.
Let's stop this kind of theft before it gets out of control.

Message edited by ClubJuggle - Removed references to specific challenge entry.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

09/12/2004 11:10:55 PM · #2

Your DQ request will be reviewed and we will make an appropriate decision. In the meantime, we must ask that all users refrain from discussion of specific challenge entries while voting is in progress.

Thanks for your understanding.

-Terry

tyt2000

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

09/12/2004 11:11:07 PM · #3

Theft? Do you "own" that spot? Everyone is free to photograph it. His looks better because it has better light.

Your argument sounds quite funny to me...

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/12/2004 11:12:23 PM · #4

It's not plagiarism, first of all. The pics were taken during different SEASONS lol As to the name - It's the physical name of the place. LOL

M

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

09/12/2004 11:12:46 PM · #5

I can understand that you may feel, however, it sounds like the title is the name of the place and the photographer liked the composition.

Are you saying that once one person photographs a particular location, no one else is allowed to?

09/12/2004 11:14:10 PM · #6

Originally posted by tyt2000:

Theft? Do you "own" that spot? Everyone is free to photograph it. His looks better because it has better light.

Your argument sounds quite funny to me...

It's idea theft. You were probably the one who took it. If you don't think that's wrong than I'm sorry. I don't appreciate it. No one owns any spot obviously. It's a moral judgement, the author could have done any shot within that massive state park. I find it a little odd that it's the same spot, same cropping, just vert instead of horizontal. You can ok this all you want, but some of us don't want our visions stolen by someone who does it 'better' It's a cop-out. And i'm shocked someone defended the author. If this is the way this site is ran i'll have no part of it.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

09/12/2004 11:15:31 PM · #7

while i agree i don't 'own' the park. I would think someone would not want to copy what i've already done. I guess my morals overtake my will to better other artists.

I think if you all look at what i'm talking about before commenting, you might have something else to say.

I'm out,
Joe

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pcody

Canon PowerShot G6

09/12/2004 11:16:30 PM · #8

Are they both in the same challenge?

tyt2000

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

09/12/2004 11:16:42 PM · #9

Its not idea theft! Its a scenic place, people will take photos from whichever spot they like...

And no, its not mine...

09/12/2004 11:20:02 PM · #10

Originally posted by pcody:

Are they both in the same challenge?

No, mine was done months ago. I agree this person has every right to photograph what ever the hell he wants to, my complaint is that it's obviously very similar. Even the angle is the same. I believe my idea was taken and used as someone elses. Many may not agree but that's a personal moral judgement that everyone has to make for themselves.

I will say, I would NEVER redo a photo I seen on this site. Simply out of respect for the person who took the time to come up with it.

While this author may have taken a 'better' photo, to me it's just my photo done with a different rotation and more light.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

09/12/2004 11:20:41 PM · #11

Originally posted by tyt2000:

Its not idea theft! Its a scenic place, people will take photos from whichever spot they like...

And no, its not mine...

Let's see if you're still squaking the same sound if it happens to you.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

09/12/2004 11:21:11 PM · #12

Originally posted by magicshutter:

It's idea theft.

One can't own the idea to photograph a particular location. You are probably not the first person to think that particular location was photogenic, and you probably won't be the last.

Originally posted by magicshutter:

You were probably the one who took it.

These forums are not an appropriate place for baseless accusations.

Originally posted by magicshutter:

I find it a little odd that it's the same spot, same cropping, just vert instead of horizontal.

Then it's a different crop.

Originally posted by magicshutter:

You can ok this all you want, but some of us don't want our visions stolen by someone who does it 'better' It's a cop-out.

I've actually spent significant amounts of time helping photographers either duplicate shots of mine or even improve them -- just ask anyone that was at the DC night shoot. In doing so, I've helped them learn, and I've learned along the way.

Message edited by author 2004-09-12 23:22:36.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/12/2004 11:24:12 PM · #13

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by magicshutter:
It's idea theft.

One can't own the idea to photograph a particular location. You are probably not the first person to think that particular location was photogenic, and you probably won't be the last.

Originally posted by magicshutter:
You were probably the one who took it.

These forums are not an appropriate place for baseless accusations.

Originally posted by magicshutter:
I find it a little odd that it's the same spot, same cropping, just vert instead of horizontal.

Then it's a different crop.

Originally posted by magicshutter:
You can ok this all you want, but some of us don't want our visions stolen by someone who does it 'better' It's a cop-out.

I've actually spent significant amounts of time helping photographers either duplicate shots of mine or even improve them -- just ask anyone that was at the DC night shoot. In doing so, I've helped them learn, and I've learned along the way.

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look at both photos. I think it's beyond that. Just me thinking people should use their own ideas. I really don't believe that person found the exact same angle, and chose to crop around the same three rocks.

It doesn't matter to me how well this particular photo does as I'm not in the 'city guides' challenge. I would like to see originality. Seems fishy that a few weeks after I post a photo, a near replica (aside from the lighting and season difference, and the vert of the new photo) of it.

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

09/12/2004 11:24:16 PM · #14

Originally posted by magicshutter:

Let's see if you're still squawking the same sound if it happens to you.

Feel free to duplicate any of my ideas you want. Feel free to improve upon them and show me the result. Just don't feel bad if I duplicate yours over again and do it even better.

How did you get to that spot? Walk? Drive? Why did you pick it?

M

Message edited by author 2004-09-12 23:24:42.

blemt

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

09/12/2004 11:26:37 PM · #15

Deep breath. He/she/it is not copying anything. If you are visiting that particular site there are some shots that will end up being repeated. If I got mad everytime someone did a similar DC area shot to something I've shot...well I'd have a much higher blood pressure. :)

I have that particular shot in my own files in about 7 different versions. It's a nice angle when the light is good. Should I be mad at you for copying something I did first? I'm pretty sure I've lived in Colorado Springs longer than you. :)

Clara

HRoxas

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/12/2004 11:28:41 PM · #16

I would take it as a compliment. If I were to copy someone's work I'd make sure that I like that work so much that I would want to have one done by me. Think about it... who would wanna copy someone's crap?

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/12/2004 11:29:38 PM · #17

Originally posted by mavrik:

Originally posted by magicshutter:

Let's see if you're still squawking the same sound if it happens to you.

Feel free to duplicate any of my ideas you want. Feel free to improve upon them and show me the result. Just don't feel bad if I duplicate yours over again and do it even better.

How did you get to that spot? Walk? Drive? Why did you pick it?

M

Mav,
To me it's not about if you say it's ok to use your shots. It's about respect, I truely think these shots are too similar to be coincidence. This is not a personal attack on anyone, as I don't know who the author is. Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree. Seems alot of people on this site feel it's ok to use someone elses artistic vision to create their own. While I'm surely not the first person to photograph this location, and as club said, I won't be the last. I think maybe it's possible that the author never seen my shot, I'll be the first to applogize if I'm wrong (I don't think I am). It looks to close for me to believe it's coincidence. I think I'll leave this post at that as I'm sure to be responding to hundreds more defending the freedom to shoot the same rock someone else did and just leave with saying again. It's a moral judgement, and I"m not hear to 'better' anyone, only to get my name out.

joe

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

09/12/2004 11:31:01 PM · #18

Read Clara's post - did you steal hers?

M

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

09/12/2004 11:31:02 PM · #19

Originally posted by bruchen:

Honestly, I didn't think of it this way. But, I can think of better way of honoring someone then by 'stealing' (i'll use the word lightly) what they've done, Perhaps buying a print is a good way to pay homage.

joe

tyt2000

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

09/12/2004 11:32:06 PM · #20

Originally posted by magicshutter:

Originally posted by tyt2000:
Its not idea theft! Its a scenic place, people will take photos from whichever spot they like...

And no, its not mine...

Let's see if you're still squaking the same sound if it happens to you.

Actually, I would applaude their effort if their photo was like or better than mine. If it wasn't, I'll give them some tips on how to improve it...

OneSweetSin

Nikon D3000

09/12/2004 11:33:25 PM · #21

Did ya ever notice a lot of parks have the little kodak signs up at certain view points...that is what this is like...you find a nice view you photograph it someone comes in later and does it again...whats the big deal...as long as it isn't the exact same photo no biggie.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

09/12/2004 11:33:43 PM · #22

Originally posted by blemt:

You can honestly tell me after looking at both photos that you have one exactly like it? if you can provide me the proof, i'll take mine down this instant. This is not a double standard, this goes for me as well as others.

I don't live in the springs, I live in aurora. Where I live irrelevant.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

09/12/2004 11:34:25 PM · #23

Every scenic spot in the world has already been photographed by many photographers and will be photographed by many more. With such a spectacular spot there's bound to be at least two images very similar in composition at some point in time. Someone just saw the beauty in the same way you did.