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09/03/2004 10:19:33 PM · #1 |
I hope its ok to post this link here. This story really concerns me. I found the link from a Usenet group.
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Message edited by author 2004-09-03 22:20:04. |
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09/03/2004 10:34:55 PM · #2 |
holy sh*t!!!
That is the most f'd up thing I've read in a long time. Thanks so much for sharing that article.
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09/03/2004 10:40:39 PM · #3 |
| Recently walking around trying to get some shots for the travel guides challenge I noticed people giving me looks. Hoping that they don't call the cops on me for taking a picture. |
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09/03/2004 10:46:09 PM · #4 |
| Ask first. Then you will know if it's ok or not. It's such a simple thing to do. |
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09/03/2004 10:54:26 PM · #5 |
| I can only say that I unerstand a small part of his frustration, having been detained for 30 minutes while shooting for one of my recent challenge submissions. |
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09/03/2004 10:56:26 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
I can only say that I unerstand a small part of his frustration, having been detained for 30 minutes while shooting for one of my recent challenge submissions. |
Unbelievably ridiculous..
thank Pete I live in Canada.
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09/04/2004 01:18:16 AM · #7 |
| so now you know why there are so many studio shots on dpc. :) |
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09/04/2004 02:19:55 AM · #8 |
Last Sunday while shooting photos in downtown Fort Worth Texas my wife and I got pulled over and questioned for sometime by 3 policemen and 1 plain clothes detective or whatever he was.
We were trying to photograph the Angels on the Bass Performance Hall when a bicycle cop rode by and then two Fort Worth Police cars pulled up :)
My wife and I were just talking about this in the car so I turned to her and said "here we go" They detained us for sometime. I think in the end it was close to 20-30mins total.
While the one officer was looking at my ID and business card I handed him I snapped off a shot of him and he got quite upset and told me to delete it! So I did.
Here are two of the shots I did manage to get that I liked.
Here is one shot I did manage to shoot from the hip when they were not looking though. I have blacked out the faces so they cannot be identified. The plain clothes officer remained in the car all the time while the uniformed officers kept returning to talk to him.
So in the end if any future DPC challenges require shooting buildings or etc COUNT ME OUT :)
I did go to the Department of Homeland Securities website the next day and emailed them a complaint and a few suggestions but I think we all know how far that will go LOL
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09/04/2004 02:22:16 AM · #9 |
One more note.
The policeman that had my business card kept it and said he was going to monitor my website and make sure his photo did not appear on the interent.
LOL
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09/04/2004 02:50:17 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by RHoldenSr:
One more note.
The policeman that had my business card kept it and said he was going to monitor my website and make sure his photo did not appear on the interent.
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Funny, because there is nothing he can do about it. The photograph was taken in a public place and it wouldn't be used for trade or advertisement and therefore NOT an invasion of privacy. I just finished reading a book with a few chapters on this.
June
Message edited by author 2004-09-04 02:50:53.
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09/04/2004 04:32:37 AM · #11 |
being in nyc, i am always careful taking pictures around cops now. which is hard cause often there are cops everywhere. they always give me the evil eye as im walking down the street with my camera around my neck. oh wells.
edit: i really wonder how many real "terrorists" they have found by detaining photographers.
Message edited by author 2004-09-04 04:33:21.
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09/04/2004 10:27:23 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by longlivenyhc:
being in nyc, i am always careful taking pictures around cops now. which is hard cause often there are cops everywhere. they always give me the evil eye as im walking down the street with my camera around my neck. oh wells.
edit: i really wonder how many real "terrorists" they have found by detaining photographers. |
Actually, they did bust one "legitimately suspicious" character videotaping some buildings a week or two ago ...
But the whole thing is way out of hand ... a search of the forums should find several threads on this subject. |
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09/04/2004 10:31:16 AM · #13 |
| BTW: I've asked several local fire crews about photographing their trucks or the station and they've been very welcoming. I think pro-activeness is a good strategy these days. If you see an officer near where you want to shoot, you might go ask if they can watch out to make sure you aren't bothered by overzealous private security guards intent on violating your rights ... |
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09/04/2004 11:46:32 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by RHoldenSr:
One more note.
The policeman that had my business card kept it and said he was going to monitor my website and make sure his photo did not appear on the interent.
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That's awful. I was in the Stockyards shooting for the Neon challenge, and some cowboys there told me I wasn't allowed to take photos there. I sort of laughed, and they said, "you'll get arrested for that sort of thing... especially in Sundance Square and downtown Fort Worth." Well, I had been shooting in Sundance Square a month or two earlier at night with no problem, but now I'm a little chicken to return there.
For the record for those who aren't familiar with Fort Worth, these angels are a popular photography subject for locals.
I did go to downtown Dallas a few weekends ago, though, and shot tons of photos of landmarks and skyscrapers there. Many cops drove up and down the streets, and no one thought twice about me being there with my camera around my neck. I was shocked. But then again, I'm a 5'5" caucasion woman, so maybe I don't fit their "profile." I still think it's a SHAME that people's rights are being violated.
Anyway, it's interesting to hear about things that happen in my "neck of the woods." Makes me realize I need to be more aware.
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09/04/2004 12:36:13 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by pcody:
Ask first. Then you will know if it's ok or not. It's such a simple thing to do. |
Sounds simple enough, but that apparently that doesn't always work. Did you read the link?
DoFear: That's insane. I admit, though, while still on the first page of your story, I was thinking, "It's good that they are paying attention and checking up on things.", but as I continued to read, their approach was totally uncalled for. I can't imagine how helpless you must have felt. I wouldn'y even know what my rights are - if you have to show ID when asked or not, them taking your picture. I wonder what a lawyer would say to all of that...?
On a side note, you can apply for tripod permits for different cities. I know NYC has a site to download such permits. It might be a pain, but it also might prevent unneeded stress. Or not. *shrug* lol
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09/04/2004 12:43:06 PM · #16 |
| Boy am I glad I live in Canada... |
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09/04/2004 12:47:21 PM · #17 |
That is funny because the Stockyards are always lined with tourist and cameras :) They probably had been drinking and or just joking around. We did make it to the stockyards afterward and I got one shot I like:
In looking back at this shot I almost feel like I woke up in the wrong time zone.
LOL
While we were photographing the Fort Worth Stockyards we did note some loud party animals outside the Bull Ring thus I did decided to cross the street and keep our distance. I think it is unfortunate that they allow the drinking to spill out onto the sidewalk. I do not want to sound like and old fart and party pooper but I think we all know how some can be after drinking. It is kinda like some people talking with headphones on, they tend to get loud.
:) LOL
I wanted to go to downtown Dallas and shoot the buildings but for some reason my wife did not care for the idea.
ROFLMAO
Last year security guards at one building tried to chase us off in downtown Dallas and I flat out told them they could not stop me from shooting photos of the buildings on a public sidewalk. So they stood just inside the doors and watched us until we left.
I think the local PD or Department of Homeland Security needs to issue photographers passes or etc with prior clearance to help prevent all of this hassling.
Maybe DPC needs to get a petition going?
We do not have to crawl into our shells and be afraid! In doing so we are doing just what the terrorists want us to do.
And speaking of "Profiles" I think maybe I should shave my beard off!
ROFLOL
Originally posted by annasense:
That's awful. I was in the Stockyards shooting for the Neon challenge, and some cowboys there told me I wasn't allowed to take photos there. I sort of laughed, and they said, "you'll get arrested for that sort of thing... especially in Sundance Square and downtown Fort Worth." Well, I had been shooting in Sundance Square a month or two earlier at night with no problem, but now I'm a little chicken to return there.
For the record for those who aren't familiar with Fort Worth, these angels are a popular photography subject for locals.
I did go to downtown Dallas a few weekends ago, though, and shot tons of photos of landmarks and skyscrapers there. Many cops drove up and down the streets, and no one thought twice about me being there with my camera around my neck. I was shocked. But then again, I'm a 5'5" caucasion woman, so maybe I don't fit their "profile." I still think it's a SHAME that people's rights are being violated.
Anyway, it's interesting to hear about things that happen in my "neck of the woods." Makes me realize I need to be more aware. |
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09/04/2004 01:30:19 PM · #18 |
Three days ago while shooting for the travel challenge I had a run in with the authoriries. I was in Liberty State Park taling a time exposure. It was 9 o'clock when suddenly the patrol car put the disturbing spot light on me. I rushed to cover the eye piece of the camera. They yelled. Park is now offically closed (it closes at 10)
get out at once. I yelled back need 4 seconds. They lost their cool and drove the car right up the sidewalk and inro the grass and up to my face. I ignored them. The shutter closed and I dismantled. "Out", they yelled over the horn.
I packed tripod and started walking to my car. The moment I started the car they pulled right up behind me. The id routine. They wanted to warn me that the next time they ask me to leave, they want me to run. I said, I set up a time exposure and they can bring me down the station if they want but if a few more seconds meant being arrested, then arrest me right now. They gave me back my stuff after circling around my car. They were very jumpy.
Well, these are the times after 9/11 and it did happen near my location across the river. It is a double-edged sword. We can say forget all the security and let everyone go about their business whatever that may be,
Or take the security with all the headaches involved. The sad thing is that constitutional rights are curtailed in times of war. Of course, there is a hefty group of people that believe we are not at war. Well, I saw the towers coming down and saw the smoldering smoke that kept rising for unending weeks.
I take it in stride and realize that many watching out for security will overstep their authority. However, I do accept the fact that life has radically changed after 9/11. With this in mind it is better to carry id because a person with a camera is suspect. War affects life in many different ways or more ways than we can imagine. |
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09/04/2004 01:42:15 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by RHoldenSr:
I think the local PD or Department of Homeland Security needs to issue photographers passes or etc with prior clearance to help prevent all of this hassling.
Maybe DPC needs to get a petition going?
We do not have to crawl into our shells and be afraid! In doing so we are doing just what the terrorists want us to do.
And speaking of "Profiles" I think maybe I should shave my beard off!
ROFLOL
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Your points in bold point out why we should not have to get permission from Tom Ridge to take pictures in public.
A petition is fine, though ... perhaps we should ALL apply for one of those NYC permits (and any other cities we can locate links for).
Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It was gettin' kinda long
I could have ... I could have said it was in my way
But I didn't, and I wonder why
Guess I felt like lettin' my "freak" flag fly
And I feel like I owe it, to someone ....
--David Crosby |
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09/04/2004 02:02:00 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Three days ago while shooting for the travel challenge I had a run in with the authoriries. I was in Liberty State Park taling a time exposure. It was 9 o'clock when suddenly the patrol car put the disturbing spot light on me. |
yeah i was at that same park before, and the park authorities were watching me the whole time, then they started to roll over to me, i put my camera in my bag, they slowly rolled by me, staring at me, then they went over to some tourist couple and yelled at them to put their cameras away.
and like RHoldenSr said... maybe i too should think about getting rid of the beard...
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09/04/2004 02:16:29 PM · #21 |
| I remember another thread where we were talking about this and somebody posted a little card you could carry in your camera bag listing your rights and stuff. Anybody remember? |
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09/04/2004 02:38:47 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by digistoune:
I remember another thread where we were talking about this and somebody posted a little card you could carry in your camera bag listing your rights and stuff. Anybody remember? |
The Photographer's Right - A Downloadable Flyer
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