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08/31/2004 09:37:54 AM · #51 |
No offence but sportshooter.com looks disgusting, cheap, and tacky :)
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08/31/2004 09:39:00 AM · #52 |
I said the variety of content on offer is poor and I stand by that. Sportshooter is a perfect direct comparison, since they cost the same and are both photography websites. When compared and contrasted DPC comes off second best. Like i said, there seems to be a lack of ambition here, so much more could be done, so much more content offered.
As a professional designer i see the navigation and information display as being poor, in my opinion and the home page is not at all welcoming. Beyond the challenges and the forum, there is not enough on offer here. Again I would draw a comparison with Sportshooter.
I joined to support and take part, but if you're asking folks to pay then DPC needs to try harder.
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08/31/2004 09:41:51 AM · #53 |
Were heading off topic.
Gordon I presume really only D&L can answer your original question.
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08/31/2004 11:05:14 AM · #54 |
I don't care much for bells and whistles. That's not what drew me in here, nor is it what keeps me hanging around...it's the comraderie, the humor, the advice, the critiques, the international exchange of ideas and thoughts, and the ability to challenge myself to get better by studying those who know what they are doing...those things are all infinitely worth more than worth 25 bucks! ;o)
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08/31/2004 11:15:01 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Article19:
I said the variety of content on offer is poor and I stand by that. |
DPC is about challenges - and that's what it delivers. If you want articles/etc, there are plenty of other sites that offer that.
Originally posted by Article19:
Sportshooter is a perfect direct comparison, since they cost the same and are both photography websites. |
Apart from a) Sports Shooter offers fairly closed (at the moment NO) membership, and b) it's for pros.
Originally posted by Article19:
As a professional designer i see the navigation and information display as being poor |
As a website user, and software developer, I see the navigation as minimalist and effective.
Originally posted by Article19:
in my opinion and the home page is not at all welcoming |
26,200+ registered users found it ok..
You weren't forced to join DPC. Personally, I make judgements on money I spend on what IS on offer, not what COULD be on offer..
I notice although you mention Sports Shooter a lot, you don't seem to be a member. :-)
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08/31/2004 11:41:34 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by Konador:
No offence but sportshooter.com looks disgusting, cheap, and tacky :) |
But surely DPC could benefit from some flashing neon advertisements. Lack of constant blinking is so boring. |
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08/31/2004 11:58:57 AM · #57 |
I somehow think he means SportsShooter.com ? which isn't a whole lot better. Seems like a mish-mash of tables and different color background and text.
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08/31/2004 12:01:02 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I don't care much for bells and whistles. That's not what drew me in here, nor is it what keeps me hanging around...it's the comraderie, the humor, the advice, the critiques, the international exchange of ideas and thoughts, and the ability to challenge myself to get better by studying those who know what they are doing...those things are all infinitely worth more than worth 25 bucks! ;o) |
This perhaps addresses the issue best ... if DPC feels like a community you enjoy participating in, then you stay. If you're merely looking for online photo galleries then it doesn't matter much which one you use.
I almost hesitate to mention it, but Gordon's interjections of facts and reason into the Rant forums are pretty helpful : )
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08/31/2004 12:05:48 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Just noticed my membership is coming up for renewal next month. Is there anything coming down the pipe in terms of changes in format or expanded ideas that would make it worth renewing membership ? Things seem to have pretty much stayed them same for the last year or so. Any plans to evolve and improve, other than the print side of things that I'm not interested in ? |
Since the premise of this site is the 'challenge' itself, do you think you're all challenged out? What could possibly keep you here otherwise? |
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08/31/2004 12:06:01 PM · #60 |
Lets not get all protective over our DPC. Those that do not know SS very well could do with going back and looking at all the very good articles and videos they have.
Everyone keeps harping on about this being a place to learn, but as soon as you mention articles it becomes a competition site.
Dudes make me laugh :D
I love my DPC too.
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08/31/2004 12:35:24 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Refracted:
I somehow think he means SportsShooter.com ? which isn't a whole lot better. Seems like a mish-mash of tables and different color background and text. |
Ah yes, that would make more sense. |
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08/31/2004 12:37:19 PM · #62 |
I found this site about a month ago and signed up for a one-month deal. It is by far the best $5 I've spent on something like this and I will definately be renewing for a year.
I was very very impressed with the home page and overall layout of the web site when I first joined. All the different aspects of the site fit together well and it's easy to navigate. I mean, I can go to jonpink's profile, see what cameras he uses/used and take a look at the highest scoring photos taken with those cameras by all users! That's an innovation I never would have thought of!
The other day I discovered jjbeguin's work so I went to his profile and read all of the comments he's left for other people to learn from the things he had to say. Hello? This site is incredible!
I could go on and on...I love everything about this site (so far). Minor improvements? Maybe... Major overhaul? Please no!
Edit: typo
Message edited by author 2004-08-31 12:41:20. |
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08/31/2004 01:00:09 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
You weren't forced to join DPC. Personally, I make judgements on money I spend on what IS on offer, not what COULD be on offer..
I notice although you mention Sports Shooter a lot, you don't seem to be a member. :-) |
Nobody forced me to join, but join I did, so i get to have a say. I'm not a member of SS because I'm not a sports photographer. You can't just have challenges for the next 50 years, where's the challenge in that? You start from a simple premise and then build, provide new options and features, etc etc.
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08/31/2004 01:19:02 PM · #64 |
I think PaulMdx has evaluated this site perfectly. I'm a designer too and I reckon DPC, despite its basic looking format, is relaxing on the eye, easy to use and directs attention to where it's needed - the images and information. Any additional colour at all and you'd get an imbalance/clash with some of the images.
There are no trendy 45 degree sliced corners, no Flash, no animations - basically no extraneous distraction at all. It's very slick in my opinion.
Message edited by author 2004-08-31 13:19:42.
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08/31/2004 02:43:28 PM · #65 |
I think DPC is fine the way it is, as for the challenges...surely that's what we all enjoy, even if work is not always recognised as sensational and exciting, whilst being technically awesome.
I don't want flashy gimmicks, I like it just the way it is.
And, for $25 dollars...50cents a week, that's cheap fun and mentally challenging most of the time...well, it is to an old fart like me. |
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08/31/2004 02:53:57 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I think DPC is fine the way it is, as for the challenges...surely that's what we all enjoy, even if work is not always recognised as sensational and exciting, whilst being technically awesome.
I don't want flashy gimmicks, I like it just the way it is.
And, for $25 dollars...50cents a week, that's cheap fun and mentally challenging most of the time...well, it is to an old fart like me. |
I agree with Wolfie 100% |
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08/31/2004 02:56:05 PM · #67 |
I third that!! Why fix what ain't broke, as the old saying goes. And DPC works for a lot of us! I don't think I'd enjoy it if were too far away from where it is today; there are plenty of other sites to go to satisfy other tastes.
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08/31/2004 02:56:13 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by midnightride2:
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I think DPC is fine the way it is, as for the challenges...surely that's what we all enjoy, even if work is not always recognised as sensational and exciting, whilst being technically awesome.
I don't want flashy gimmicks, I like it just the way it is.
And, for $25 dollars...50cents a week, that's cheap fun and mentally challenging most of the time...well, it is to an old fart like me. |
I agree with Wolfie 100% |
What? That I'm an old fart? ;) |
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08/31/2004 03:05:43 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
Originally posted by midnightride2:
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I think DPC is fine the way it is, as for the challenges...surely that's what we all enjoy, even if work is not always recognised as sensational and exciting, whilst being technically awesome.
I don't want flashy gimmicks, I like it just the way it is.
And, for $25 dollars...50cents a week, that's cheap fun and mentally challenging most of the time...well, it is to an old fart like me. |
I agree with Wolfie 100% |
What? That I'm an old fart? ;) |
You got me by 2 years Wolfie that makes me a young old fart ;) |
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08/31/2004 04:47:37 PM · #70 |
I have to say I'm not after cosmetic changes - I am more than happy with the simple, clean design of DPC and I think the colour palette really allows the photographs to stand out.
For that reason I'd personally vote against emoticons etc being added (are we really saying we aren't able to express ourselves with words?) and I'd even be happy to see images banned from signatures (my own included).
I really appreciate ease-of-use improvements such as the introduction of thread watch etc.
I think it would be interesting to know whether any significant new content changes are in the pipeline. I agree that DPC's strength is in the challenge aspect and it would be fair to stay within that format but challenges could be expanded in new ways and still keep DPC true to it's concept.
Personally, I enjoy most the exposure to ideas, concepts and information plus a diverse selection of images. I also benefit from help from those with more expertise and knowledge than myself and hence would like to see the site grow in such a way to be more inclusive. DPC's members will always develop - development is a basic tenet of the site. It would be nice for the site to grow with them such that it continued to offer it's core attractions but also retained the interest of those who had moved on.
I selfishly want those people to stay around and I'm also interested in being able to share what they create if given the motivation and new challenges to push them.
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08/31/2004 05:59:47 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Just noticed my membership is coming up for renewal next month. Is there anything coming down the pipe in terms of changes in format or expanded ideas that would make it worth renewing membership ? Things seem to have pretty much stayed them same for the last year or so. Any plans to evolve and improve, other than the print side of things that I'm not interested in ? |
I just can't help adding another opinion.
1. I think Gordon just asked, in a nice way, what changes, if any, are headed down the pike.
2. A few then told him that if he didn't like it the way it was, he should find another site. Hit the road Jack.
3. Some have implied there were "good changes" on the way.
4. There seems to be an "understanding" that we can't possibly tell these immature children (a.k.a. "members") what to expect - because it may not be delivered on time. The they will get all mad and pout or something.
So - I sure don't get it. Do you really think this group is not adult enough to handle a little disappointment? Isn't it even more disappointing to sit and wait, and wait, and wait - without knowing what you are waiting for?
In all the IT shops I've worked in - we had very public project lists (normally prioritized by our "customers") with expected completion dates. Sure, some dates slipped, but at least people knew what was going on.
This mushroom treatment (for those that don't know = "keep em in the dark and feed them ample amounts of S^*t)seems to me to be totally inappropriate.
Actually, as a fairly newbie, I like things now so it's not that important to me. But I fully expect a few of the hotheads to now tell me to take a hike as well. So be it.
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08/31/2004 08:43:29 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by photom:
2. A few then told him that if he didn't like it the way it was, he should find another site. Hit the road Jack. |
No no no -- nobody said this. For some reason, someone came along later and tried to interpret my congratulations and well wishes as this, but that's not at all what I said.
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08/31/2004 09:39:06 PM · #73 |
I'm not sure how many here have experience in doing web based application development. From my past experience in the field, it can be very difficult to program in some features when you are using JavaScript. Things that we think are easy, or seem intuitive, can be very, very hard to do.
I worked for a company that produced a web based applicant tracking system. We had 3 full time programmers and averaged a 6 month dev/testing cycle. There were things we simply could not program in due to limits of the format and time required.
DPC has Drew and Langdon. In order to mantain QC on the code, they don't allow others to make programming changes. Last I checked they both have fulltime jobs. They are busy enough that they haven't posted to challenges in ages.
At it's core, this site is what it's always been. A labor of love for two guys who wanted their friends to have a place to talk photography. Just something to think about as we gripe about them not putting out new stuff fast enough. :)
And sorry Gordon, it doesn't help answer your question. Apologies for threadjacking.
Clara
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