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08/13/2004 12:25:21 AM · #51 |
| I don't recall the picture in question but I am glad to see the Site Council enforcing 4.2. Apparently the fairly lax enforcement (my judgement) was taken by some as an invitation to push the envelope. |
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08/13/2004 12:27:01 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by animes2k:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
We have consistently allowed more latitude with this rule for legal drugs (tobacco and alcohol) than we have illegal drugs. For the purposes of TOS discussion, legal/illegal is defined by the laws of the United States and the Commonwealth of Virginia. |
I think this might warrant an amendment of the TOS to include the above - we have many international members for whom our laws regarding "illegal drugs" do not apply. The references to the laws and courts of Virginia currently in there don't refer to this definition or section (4.2)
Just a thought. |
The section of the Terms of Service titled "Choice of Law; Jurisdiction and Venue" applies to the entire document and as of the date of this post reads as follows:
Choice of Law; Jurisdiction and Venue. This Agreement shall be governed and interpreted in accordance with the substantive law of the Commonwealth of Virginia without regard to its conflict of law provisions. The parties irrevocably submit themselves to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the state and federal courts located in Virginia Beach, Virginia for the purpose of bringing any action that may be brought in connection with this Agreement. The parties agree that they shall not assert any claim that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of such courts, that the venue is improper, that the forum is inconvenient or any similar objection, claim or argument. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the notice provision of this Agreement shall apply to service of process with respect to any action brought under this Agreement. Upon the mutual agreement of both parties, disputes may be settled via arbitration, under the rules of the American Arbitration Association, instead of in the state and federal courts located in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
The first sentence of this section is the one most relevant to this discussion.
-Terry
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08/13/2004 12:30:02 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
...the fairly lax enforcement (my judgement) was taken by some as an invitation to push the envelope. |
Slander! Labuda would never, EVER push the envelope, would ya' Aleks? ;-) |
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08/13/2004 12:46:03 AM · #54 |
| I am suddenly very, very sad that I didn't see this picture. :( |
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08/13/2004 01:07:39 AM · #55 |
please pm me the photo.
thanks.
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08/13/2004 03:40:34 AM · #56 |
| I can't remember the picture (can I have a pm?) so I am not sure whether is was provoking or not, but I can't believe this thread. Why is it illegal to post a picture of a plant? I have seen millions of pictures of poppy's here. Why isn't that illegal? Or a picture of a poppy-seed roll? |
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08/13/2004 03:51:46 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Phileine:
I can't remember the picture (can I have a pm?) so I am not sure whether is was provoking or not, but I can't believe this thread. Why is it illegal to post a picture of a plant? I have seen millions of pictures of poppy's here. Why isn't that illegal? Or a picture of a poppy-seed roll? |
Iam with you on this one I saw nothing in the title to suggest or promote drug use infact only the people who new what it was, new what it was. It was a good photo for the competition of miniature, a nice little bud to look like a nice little tree. No harm done and probably got a lot more attention by the disqualification.
Message edited by author 2004-08-13 03:53:34. |
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08/13/2004 04:35:08 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
The images posted to this thread have been removed.
4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content or to design, manufacture, market or sell a Product that ... (viii) encourages or depicts the use of drugs, alcohol or cigarettes.
This applies to all areas of the site, including challenges, portfolios, and the forums.
-Terry |
So how soon can we expect to see all those pictures of drinking and/or smoking removed? Someone's set themselves a tough job here, as there's a hell of a lot of them as you go back through all the challenges.
I guess it'll do no good to repeat that that shot did nothing to 'promote the use of' drugs - and that you had to know what it was in the first place. I work in the music business, for god's sake, an I didn't recognise it (because I don't use myself ...).
I'd feel rather got after if i were you, Aleks.
Ed
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08/13/2004 05:24:57 AM · #59 |
I don't really think it's fair what SC has done, but hey, what's done it done.
Let's just all go take a big hit from the peace pipe, and forget about it.
Just.. don't take any pictures of it :-)
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08/13/2004 06:30:38 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by Phileine:
I can't remember the picture (can I have a pm?) so I am not sure whether is was provoking or not, but I can't believe this thread. Why is it illegal to post a picture of a plant? I have seen millions of pictures of poppy's here. Why isn't that illegal? Or a picture of a poppy-seed roll? |
It is not illegal to post a picture of a plant here. Posting a picture of that specific plant, however, is a violation of the Terms of Service.
-Terry
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08/13/2004 06:34:59 AM · #61 |
| I can't remember the image, however one of my favourite plants is the Acer Palmatum Disectum. This can also be easily mistaken for something else. As seen here |
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08/13/2004 06:42:35 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by e301:
So how soon can we expect to see all those pictures of drinking and/or smoking removed? Someone's set themselves a tough job here, as there's a hell of a lot of them as you go back through all the challenges.
I guess it'll do no good to repeat that that shot did nothing to 'promote the use of' drugs - and that you had to know what it was in the first place. I work in the music business, for god's sake, an I didn't recognise it (because I don't use myself ...).
I'd feel rather got after if i were you, Aleks.
Ed |
Ed,
Most likely that will not be happening. As I mentioned before, we have consistently allowed more (but not unlimited) latitude for photographs of tobacco and alcohol than we have for illegal drugs.
Aleks also should not be the least bit surprised by this. This is not his first disqualification for a photograph of marijuana.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-08-13 06:44:13.
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08/13/2004 08:09:18 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
It is not illegal to post a picture of a plant here. Posting a picture of that specific plant, however, is a violation of the Terms of Service.
-Terry |
I think you missed his point.
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08/13/2004 08:10:47 AM · #64 |
So...
How about that "Botany" challenge?
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08/13/2004 09:05:02 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Phileine:
I can't remember the picture (can I have a pm?) so I am not sure whether is was provoking or not, but I can't believe this thread. Why is it illegal to post a picture of a plant? I have seen millions of pictures of poppy's here. Why isn't that illegal? Or a picture of a poppy-seed roll? |
It is not illegal to post a picture of a plant here. Posting a picture of that specific plant, however, is a violation of the Terms of Service.
-Terry |
The point is, that the poppy-seeds are used to make opium. Also an illegal drug. So again: am I allowed to post a picture of a poppy-seed roll? |
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08/13/2004 09:06:10 AM · #66 |
Yes you are, but you're not allowed to post a picture of opium.
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08/13/2004 09:25:54 AM · #67 |
| The plant in question is also called Hemp. This is used for a number of products ranging from clothing to oil, flour and much much more. None of which have anything to do with getting high!! Therefore I see absolutley no difference to the comparison between a popyseed bread roll and a picture of a poppy, or a picture of a Hemp plant and Hemp t-shirt and a Hemp plant! |
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08/13/2004 09:27:35 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Yes you are, but you're not allowed to post a picture of opium. |
You wouldn't be able to recognize opium from a variety of other tarry substances without a chemical analysis -- I don't think it's possible to do it visually from a posted picture.
Opium does not come from poppy seeds. It comes from the latex (sap) whch oozes from the flesh of the seed-heads when scored with a blade. The sap is later scraped-off and purified (it's a rather labor-intensive process!). Poppy seed will, however, show up as opiod metabolites of common drug tests. |
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08/13/2004 09:30:07 AM · #69 |
Unless it was in a jar with OPIUM written on it, hehe :)
Yeh I saw on TV, they fed a vicar 2 buns heavily covered in poppy seeds, then did a drugs test. He came out positive, lol :)
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08/13/2004 09:33:35 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Unless it was in a jar with OPIUM written on it, hehe :)
Yeh I saw on TV, they fed a vicar 2 buns heavily covered in poppy seeds, then did a drugs test. He came out positive, lol :) |
Of course, publicly displaying a fondness for poppy-seed rolls would be an excellent strategy for covering one's tracks, so to speak. |
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08/13/2004 09:42:34 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Konador:
Unless it was in a jar with OPIUM written on it, hehe :)
Yeh I saw on TV, they fed a vicar 2 buns heavily covered in poppy seeds, then did a drugs test. He came out positive, lol :) |
Of course, publicly displaying a fondness for poppy-seed rolls would be an excellent strategy for covering one's tracks, so to speak. |
Will keep my eyes open for that one in the following few weeks with the Olympics. |
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08/13/2004 10:21:18 AM · #72 |
| It is a thankless job the SC has in enforcing the rules. They have to draw the line somewhere and there will always be people who don't agree. And there will always be people willing to push the envelope thus forcing the SC to take action. Both of these conflicting forces do a service for the community. However, if either one becomes too interested in pursueing the conflict it can get to the point that our attention is diverted away from the friendly competitions we use to share our combined knowledge of digital photography. If an individual continually demonstrates that they are more interested in pursueing the conflict than they are in the competitions and sharing knowledge, they will, at some point, become an overall negative to the community. |
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08/13/2004 10:33:51 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by dwolff:
I don't think its actually illegal, otherwise how does "High Times" stay in business. |
If you are a Journalist, you can legally photograph and publish drugs, legal or illegal. freedom of press and privacy of sources. |
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08/13/2004 11:30:25 AM · #74 |
| Most poppies and seeds sold for gardens and food do not contain any potential to become opium. There is only one poppy with this potential. The ones grown in the US are not of the correct family, thus we are allowed to grow and show them without any worries about issues of legality. |
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08/13/2004 04:59:19 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by aKiwi:
The plant in question is also called Hemp. This is used for a number of products ranging from clothing to oil, flour and much much more. None of which have anything to do with getting high!! Therefore I see absolutley no difference to the comparison between a popyseed bread roll and a picture of a poppy, or a picture of a Hemp plant and Hemp t-shirt and a Hemp plant! |
I see SC decided to ignore this comment. Cannabis Sativa (the name of the plant from which marijuana is produced) is used all over the world for a wide variety of pratical needs. In many countries it is a staple industry that provides thousands of people with jobs, and supplies many more with basic needs; like clothing and food.
Marijuana is only marijuana, and is only classified as an illegal DRUG, when it is in it's dried form. I see nothing about illegal plants in the site rules. Yes, it is against the law to grow Cannabis Sativa in the US, but no where in the site rules does it say it a user is not allowed to enter a picture of a illegal plant, it only states an illegal drug.
Cannabis Sativa has many very close kin and subspecies, most of which are identical in appearance, and some of which contain no THC whatsoever. To say that because this plant looks like Cannabis Sativa and dq it for such a statement should mean that any picture of a mushroom should also be disqualified. Their are 57 different types of mushrooms that are commonly used for the same purposes as marijuana. They range a number of different species of mushrooms, and all look quite different. I'll even bet that some of the pictures of mushrooms taken on this site contain psilocybin (the drug contained within magic mushrooms). If labuda's picture was disqualified for looking like Cannabis Sativa then I expect every picture of a mushroom to be disqualified as well for looking like one of the 57 types of psilocybin mushrooms.
Lee
PS - Also, the chance of a Cannabis Sativa being grown in Montreal, out of doors, is very slim. Cannabis Sativa requires very specific conditions to grow, and unless someone was nurturing it very dutifully, then there is a very small chance Cannabis Sativa would survive.
Message edited by author 2004-08-13 17:06:15.
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