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 08/12/2004 12:27:52 PM · #26
OK how about this:

I am a very, very bad person. I should never allow my impulses to get the better of me nor react to things that upset me at the time. I should never let off steam in harmless ways. I was wrong to mention, even anonymously, a series of events that occured based on some original impulsive but silly behaviour of mine and subsequent behaviour of yours in a public forum, even in an anonymous way since someone might somehow guess who I am talking about and judge them to be foolish.

Actually I'm being facetious and that's not nice.

But I WILL sincerely promise not to make assumptions in this kind of situation when my memory lets me down as that certainly isn't necessary.

:o)

PS Are you gonna answer my PM or what? :o) :o)

Message edited by author 2004-08-12 12:29:39.
 08/12/2004 01:20:24 PM · #27
Originally posted by Kavey:
Louddog how could my intention possibly have been to make you look like a fool? I didn't NAME YOU in my post!!!!!


I donât know what your intention of the post was, and I canât guess your intention, I already stated that in my last post. I said the result of your post⦠Pay attention! And as I also previously posted, you didnât mention my name, but it doesnât take a rocket scientist to figure out whom you were talking about. Pay attention! Furthermore, even if no one did figure out who you were talking about, I knew you were poking fun at me, for no real reason, on a internet forum. Seeing as you are not one of my buddies (in which case Iâd laugh and poke fun back), I took offense to that.

Originally posted by Kavey:
Anyway, whatever, if you feel I am foolish so be it. It doesn't really bother me. We are judged by people we interact with every minute of every day. Sometimes favourably and sometimes not. Sometimes those judgements matter to me and sometimes they don't. I'm judged for my work skills, I'm judged on the support I give to friends, I'm judged according to my race, I'm judged according to my rather scary orange jeans that I've been told shouldn't see the light of day. Being judged on an internet site by people I don't know and who don't really know me really is low down on the list of my concerns.


Good for you.

Originally posted by Kavey:
PS I didn't make any statements about your character. I made a guess that you may have posted something about your feelings about comments (and then gave an EXAMPLE of the kind of thing on that topic that might pee me off) but I certainly made NO comments about your character at all.


Pay attention! You said things like I âmustâ have said this and âclearlyâ you are that. Do I need to quote you again? Scroll up a bit and youâll see that you said those words. That does not come off as guesses. Also, while guessing aloud, do you realize that a lot of people may actually think you are guessing correctly? Itâs not common knowledge that you have a bad memory and/or youâre a bad guesser. I know it may be hard to believe, but people may assume you are correct.
Granted I donât lose too much sleep over what you or most other people think about me. However, when someone guesses incorrectly about things I have said, or pokes fun at me, and then posts it on an internet forum for the world to see, Iâm going to say something.

Now, before replying again, please re-read all your post very carefully, re-read all my post very carefully and go back and re-read the thread that caused you to become so enraged that you felt the need to delete your comments in the first place. After doing all that, if you have any intelligent comments to add to this thread that do not include guesses or assumptions, please do so. If you find anything I posted that is not factual, point it out Iâll gladly apologize.

Or⦠you can just leave one of those posts where you say something like Iâm done with this and refuse to waste any more of my time on this discussion⦠because thatâs where Iâm at, and unless you post more guesses or un-true statements regarding me Iâm done here.

PS I can't get to my email from this computer so you'll have to wait for a response to your PM.

Message edited by author 2004-08-12 13:21:15.
 08/12/2004 01:22:19 PM · #28
Is anyone else's monitor fogging up?
 08/12/2004 01:24:55 PM · #29
part of this was interesting/useful, the rest of probably would have been better off-line...
 08/12/2004 01:27:55 PM · #30
Originally posted by skiprow:
ay-yi-yi, how this stuff takes a life of its own...


I was just giving an example of a valid reason why someone would delete a bunch of comments, that's all. Your opinions are always welcome.
 08/12/2004 01:29:28 PM · #31
Whatever, louddog.

The only way someone could have worked out who I was talking about was if they sat and worked their way backwards through hundreds of comments I have made until they found one that had been deleted and until you posted yourself I didn't even say WHEN those comments were originally posted so it would have been a search through over 3000 comments. I can't see anyone curious enough about my original post to do that, but who the heck knows?

Clearly YOU felt I was poking fun at you, that's a fair point but perhaps that is down to your own feelings about the issue. I certainly wasn't trying to make others think you were foolish but yes, I did make my amusement clear, again without name checking you or giving people clues likely to lead them to your identity. Your paranoia and need to post is what did that.

I have already agreed not to make any further assumptions and guesses when my memory fails me in a previous post on this thread. I'm not going to reply to your further referrals to that issue since I've already agreed to that point when you made it earlier.

As for telling to pay attention, do you have any idea quite how rudely that comes across? I am attempting to remain civil in my responses to you though I'm not necessarily succeeding as well as I might. How about you try the same and assume that I am paying attention but am not seeing in your own words what you are seeing in them. This is only natural since I'm not inside your head.

Why don't we just move on?
 08/12/2004 01:30:07 PM · #32
Am I gonna have to start singing again????? ;o) LOL
 08/12/2004 01:30:57 PM · #33
Originally posted by skiprow:
part of this was interesting/useful, the rest of probably would have been better off-line...


Yup, I know, sorry about that.
Still that's what I think about half the posts made in many threads on these forums so I guess it's not so unusual!
 08/12/2004 01:30:57 PM · #34
Originally posted by skiprow:
part of this was interesting/useful, the rest of probably would have been better off-line...


Yeah - my original intent was a web site suggestion to be able to tell when a comment was edited. It kinda turned into a private rant. After seeing all the comments, I withdraw my suggestion and think it's ok to edit comments without logging it - as the owner of the comment.

What was weird was the skiprow deleted his comment (I think) and someone else added one, so the count did not change. I was really wondering if I had imagined it....
 08/12/2004 01:30:58 PM · #35
I have to say, in this case, if Louddog was worreid about being made to look a fool, he should have just ignored this thread and moved on. It seems a bit---well---foolish to draw attention to oneself as the subject of a post which until he spoke up, was essentially an anonymous anecdote. It was clear Kavey was using the anecdote as one example of deleting comments. She even admited that she was being somewhat reactionary at the time because of her angry feelings. I would say, five months is ages ago. I feel like I've been entering challenges for ages but it has only been three months. She also stated quite clearly that the details were vague in her memory and only offered suggestions as to what they might have been. Kavey did not start this thread and she kept the subject of her story anonymous. No one was the wiser until that subject spoke up.
 08/12/2004 01:33:45 PM · #36
Melismatica
Thanks for your message.
That said it was indulgent of me to continue to reply and to thereby take over the original intention of the thread with an essentially private debate.
For that I do apologise.
 08/12/2004 01:36:02 PM · #37
In response to Photom's initial query, I've edited comments during the challenge, sometimes at the request of the photographer with what I considered good reasons and sometimes to clarify a point made after receiving an angry PM from the photographer. I've never deleted a comment although I've wished I could delete comments left on my images, LOL! This is why I like that we can leave comments on our own images.
 08/12/2004 01:38:22 PM · #38
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by skiprow:
ay-yi-yi, how this stuff takes a life of its own...


I was just giving an example of a valid reason why someone would delete a bunch of comments, that's all. Your opinions are always welcome.

thanks, and the same to you. somehow my follow up got lost in the shouting
08/12/2004 01:38:36 PM · #39
Originally posted by Kavey:
Melismatica
Thanks for your message.
That said it was indulgent of me to continue to reply and to thereby take over the original intention of the thread with an essentially private debate.
For that I do apologise.


You were only being human. It was clearly not your intention to start anything.
 08/12/2004 02:27:17 PM · #40
Originally posted by Kavey:
Whatever, louddog.

The only way someone could have worked out who I was talking about was if they sat and worked their way backwards through hundreds of comments I have made until they found one that had been deleted and until you posted yourself I didn't even say WHEN those comments were originally posted so it would have been a search through over 3000 comments. I can't see anyone curious enough about my original post to do that, but who the heck knows?


I didnât say it was easy and I didnât say anyone would want to. Thanks for acknowledging that I was correct.

Originally posted by Kavey:
Clearly YOU felt I was poking fun at you, that's a fair point but perhaps that is down to your own feelings about the issue. I certainly wasn't trying to make others think you were foolish but yes, I did make my amusement clear, again without name checking you or giving people clues likely to lead them to your identity. Your paranoia and need to post is what did that.


Even if no one knew who you were talking about, it was an attack with exaggerated information and I knew you were talking about me. I chose to share the facts. If you donât mind people making exaggerated accusations against you thatâs fine.

Originally posted by Kavey:
I have already agreed not to make any further assumptions and guesses when my memory fails me in a previous post on this thread. I'm not going to reply to your further referrals to that issue since I've already agreed to that point when you made it earlier.


Good decision, but it does not justify the mistakes you already made.

Originally posted by Kavey:
As for telling to pay attention, do you have any idea quite how rudely that comes across? I am attempting to remain civil in my responses to you though I'm not necessarily succeeding as well as I might. How about you try the same and assume that I am paying attention but am not seeing in your own words what you are seeing in them. This is only natural since I'm not inside your head.


I asked you to pay attention because you ignored what I had said in previous posts and you were contradicting what even you had said in previous posts. Do you want me to detail this for you? You are correct though, it was rude and I apologize for that.

And to everyone else, I apologize for the space wasted on this stupid argument. I never intended to make this a public argument.


08/12/2004 02:36:06 PM · #41
Originally posted by melismatica:
I have to say, in this case, if Louddog was worreid about being made to look a fool, he should have just ignored this thread and moved on. It seems a bit---well---foolish to draw attention to oneself as the subject of a post which until he spoke up, was essentially an anonymous anecdote. It was clear Kavey was using the anecdote as one example of deleting comments. She even admited that she was being somewhat reactionary at the time because of her angry feelings. I would say, five months is ages ago. I feel like I've been entering challenges for ages but it has only been three months. She also stated quite clearly that the details were vague in her memory and only offered suggestions as to what they might have been. Kavey did not start this thread and she kept the subject of her story anonymous. No one was the wiser until that subject spoke up.


Kavey could have easily pulled the factual inforamtion from the old posts instead of guessing incorrectly. That would have prevented this mess.
I chose to stand up for myself. Her accusation was exagerated, one sided, and inaccurate. I pointed that out. If you would rather cower and hide when someone does this to you, that's your choice and i won't knock you for it.
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