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08/09/2004 12:46:58 AM · #1 |
I have been surfing a bit and hearing about photographers, one it particular, that have been arrested for doing nude photos. The models were not under-age or anything like that. I don't really know the specifics of the arrest but what he said disturbs me. Has something to do about photographing government sites, or government monuments, and the "Patriot Act".
Anyone else had experiences like this?
Message edited by author 2004-08-09 00:59:36. |
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08/09/2004 12:55:18 AM · #2 |
You need more info if you want others to elaborate.
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08/09/2004 01:11:24 AM · #3 |
Sorry about that. I was trying to be vague for a reason.
Here is what I understand. A photographer was taking pictures of two models in a public fountain. I believe someone complained and the local PD came out and arrested the photographer and took his equipment. Apparently the cameras have been returned, but the flash cards were sent to an FBI lab for review. My understanding that none of the models were nude and all were over the age of nineteen.
The charge appears to be about taking pictures of any government buildings or monuments under the "Patriot Act". I don't doubt what happened to the photographer, but not sure if he was being fed a line to check his cards for kiddie porn. I can't imagine he would have been specifically targeted by LE. Doesn't make sense.
Have any of you run into issues with LE with regard to your photos of the manner in which you take them? |
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08/09/2004 01:14:34 AM · #4 |
I'd really like to know the facts on this before commenting. There are lots of reasons why this might have been valid, and lots of reasons why it might not. I really don't feel comfortable commenting based on speculation.
-Terry
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08/09/2004 01:17:07 AM · #5 |
Never been arrested, detained, or questioned. Although I have had some run-ins (more like run-aways) while on private property.
Make sure you know your rights, have a look at //www.krages.com/phoright.htm. |
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08/09/2004 01:20:44 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by VisiBlanco:
Never been arrested, detained, or questioned. Although I have had some run-ins (more like run-aways) while on private property.
Make sure you know your rights, have a look at //www.krages.com/phoright.htm. |
I dont think we have any rights anymore unfortunetly...
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08/09/2004 01:20:49 AM · #7 |
What's LE?
Nevermind. Law Enforcement
Message edited by author 2004-08-09 01:21:39. |
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08/09/2004 01:25:16 AM · #8 |
I dont think we have any rights anymore unfortunetly...
You do if your willing to stand up for them. |
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08/09/2004 01:32:19 AM · #9 |
It never hurts to ask permission first.
A lot of cities have ordinances that prohibit anyone from playing in their fountains and such. For any reason. Photography wise or for fun.
We can't even feed the ducks on public property up here without getting a fine. |
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08/09/2004 01:40:38 AM · #10 |
Our town got rid of a fountain in the downtown area, that shot up out of the sidewalk. Lots of kids played in it, etc. Got rid of it because of a WHOLE bunch of Hepatitis A cases in kids that had played there. YUM!!! Might be one reason. NO PLAYING IN THE FOUNTAIN!
You shouldn't feed wildlife anyway.
I would like to hear/read the whole story, both sides.
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08/09/2004 01:55:19 AM · #11 |
DoFear,
Been reading the newsgroups, eh? ::grin:: Having gotten the same story that you have, ya, he had a run-in with some pretty bitter cops. Absolutely no idea if it was Patriot Act related or if they really were scanning the cards for kiddie porn (of course, I do believe that both models had ID on them to show the cops).
Problem may not even have really been the cops. I had something of a run-in of similar concern a while back. I was in a tiny public park, which included a fountain, and both of my models were sitting on the edge of the fountain. Now, one model was impecably dressed and very presentable. The other, well, let's just say "not so much". If it matters, I was going for sort of an opposites theme. Well, the other photographer with us (who, by the way, happens to be _IN_ law enforcement, a number of steps up the chain from any local cop) noticed that a couple of the shop keepers across the street were either looking out their windows at us or stepping out their shop doors to look in our direction, and they all had strange scowls on their faces. No more than five minutes later, two cruisers passed by. While we certainly didn't have any evidence to back our suspisions, we decided that would be a good time to leave, figuring that the shop owners had been made nervous enough by the questionably-clad model in the shoot to have the police investigate the matter.
As for the original topic of this thread, he's widely enough known as a photographer in his area where it may have just been a matter of enough stodgie folks having seen him around that they took the opportunity to make his life miserable.
End result? Who knows what makes these folks tick and who knows why they did what they did. It's a pretty awful thing to have done, but no one's going to be able to clear it up anytime soon.
C'est la vie.
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08/09/2004 11:47:08 AM · #12 |
I can not comment on this until I see the photos!
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08/09/2004 12:23:27 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by jonr:
I can not comment on this until I see the photos! |
Which these LE* officials have pre-emptively decided you have no right to do ....
The other common meaning is "Limited Edition" for crippled software .... |
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08/09/2004 12:33:06 PM · #14 |
I posted this link in some other forum. But it also applies to trasit object. There is a petition that you can read or sign. Prety interesting though
//www.petitionspot.com/petitions/notransitpicban
DC Metro could have been a great location for the FEET challenge, but arrests and threats mentioned in this topic made me think better of it.
Message edited by author 2004-08-09 12:34:52.
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08/09/2004 09:22:29 PM · #15 |
What I'm really worried about is abuse. I would hate to be out taking pictures and get detained because some local PD have a problem with photographers.
I have been questioned by PD before, but I was doing some PI work and they could not do anything. Though this didn't stop them from threatening to take my equipment. It was the companies equipment so it didn't really matter to me. I barely knew how to use it. :)If I decide to go back into that line of work I would certainly want to know if the rules have changed.
Thanks for the responses. |
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08/09/2004 09:31:59 PM · #16 |
Cops will have to beat me senseless if they think they are taking my equipment lol
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08/09/2004 09:45:22 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
Cops will have to beat me senseless if they think they are taking my equipment lol |
They'll do that anyway.
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08/09/2004 09:51:32 PM · #18 |
Sorry...I had commented on public nudity and then realized you said the models WEREN'T naked
Message edited by author 2004-08-09 21:52:26. |
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08/09/2004 11:09:00 PM · #19 |
My $.02...
I don't think the problem is so much the law enforcement. LE is obligated to check out every call from every person. So when a prude sees a guy taking pictures of a nearly nude woman in the park and calls police, the police have to come check it out.
Now if the photog trys to be a smarta$$ (like a previous story like this one) and refuse to answer the cops questions or show ID, what do you think the cop should do?
Cops have a hard job and considering what they do, they are underpaid. If you get questioned just be nice and cooperate. They deal with real a-holes all day, don't make them deal with one more.
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08/10/2004 12:05:01 AM · #20 |
So is that the new terrorist strategy? To distract us with scantily clad females while photographing them?... I thought they [terrorists] had strict rules on even showing the FACES of women in their culture?
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08/10/2004 12:22:14 AM · #21 |
| It is sad...but life has changed after 9/11. We have a wonderful relic in the next town, Hoboken. The famous Lackawana Railroad structure. This thing is ancient. I was told not to photograph it by security guards. But, this is the reality after the dreadful 9/11. These people are after our skin. Whether we like it or not, this is a war and I would not take it for granted because things have been quite. Remember, they are taught from early school years that we are the infidels and they are ready to die to obliterate us. |
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08/10/2004 12:30:10 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
It is sad...but life has changed after 9/11. We have a wonderful relic in the next town, Hoboken. The famous Lackawana Railroad structure. This thing is ancient. I was told not to photograph it by security guards. But, this is the reality after the dreadful 9/11. These people are after our skin. Whether we like it or not, this is a war and I would not take it for granted because things have been quite. Remember, they are taught from early school years that we are the infidels and they are ready to die to obliterate us. |
yep the terrorist have won pretty much, they have done their job and have caused wide spread panic and is changing how we live and act every day. thats one of the primary goals of terrorist.
James
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08/10/2004 01:12:46 AM · #23 |
| Our Dam.... near Bullhead City, Arizona...was closed due to the terrorist acts...I wonder why.. but it was done... and I took alot of pictures from around the Dam and Lake Mohave in general...and there were a few times where My Wife and I were told by loudspeaker...to leave or We would be arrested, I took the NEWSPAPER Challenge from a distance..and a few other Challenge entries in that direct area..and of course it is sad...that freedoms have been victimized..by such a terrible fact..just sharing my thoughts as I read the threads....thanks |
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08/12/2004 10:26:40 AM · #24 |
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08/12/2004 01:16:02 PM · #25 |
Bran-O-Rama, I'm not saying this to contradict you or even to participate much in the conversation, but more to share an interesting fact: by fatwah (muslim religous law proclamation) it is OK for a devout muslim to behave in a manner that contradicts mulsim law if it is in service to a jihad, which, as we all know, is a war declared by a cleric.
So, technically, yes, a muslim who is fighting a jihad may photograph naked women if it is in support of the jihad.
Say, maybe we could start a jihad of the week club. Let's start with people who drive slow in the left lane... |
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