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08/02/2004 10:54:11 PM · #1 |
| I have noticed the votes from commenters are generally higher than from those who do not comment. For the Macro IV challenge, I am forcing myself to comment on a photo before I allow myself to vote on it. What I am finding is that the act of commenting helps me see the photo better. It's remarkable. We'll see how this goes. I just hope that by the time I'm done, IV won't stand for IntraVenous ..... |
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08/02/2004 10:55:39 PM · #2 |
Perhaps we should made commenting neccessary to cast a vote.. something to think about
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08/02/2004 11:02:05 PM · #3 |
I think it would be okay to request a comment on a percentage for your votes to get counted, just like the actual votes work. Maybe you have to vote for 20% and comment on 10%. Just that little bit would probably make a world of difference.
You know, I'm going to make it a personal goal to comment on at least 10% of each challenge... I don't need a rule for that. Maybe other people will try to do the same. I mean if I had comments for 10% of my votes for Once in a Blue Moon, for instance, I'd have 11 comments... that would give me a lot more guidance than the mere two I've received.
Message edited by author 2004-08-02 23:20:30.
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08/02/2004 11:40:14 PM · #4 |
Look: we are here to learn to make a better picture. We cheat ourselves if we do not vote on all of the images. I mean, what is the sense of voting to any percentage than the full 100 percent. I think all voters should be required to leave 20 percent comments. Anything else will not uphold the quality that this place offers.
To vote partial will introduce many errors in the final evaluation.
Message edited by author 2004-08-02 23:40:44. |
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08/02/2004 11:49:18 PM · #5 |
i agree we should vote on ALL the images. that part doesn't make sense to me, either.
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08/03/2004 01:35:39 AM · #6 |
| I'm new at this but do try and vote on all the Open Challenges. As for commenting I do try but find it hard to say much as I'm no critic, I'm learning! I'll shot for 10% myself but it might just be "Nice shot!" and why I think so if I even know. : ) |
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08/03/2004 01:42:38 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Look: we are here to learn to make a better picture. We cheat ourselves if we do not vote on all of the images. I mean, what is the sense of voting to any percentage than the full 100 percent. I think all voters should be required to leave 20 percent comments. Anything else will not uphold the quality that this place offers.
To vote partial will introduce many errors in the final evaluation. |
I disagree. I would rather have an inspired comment than a forced one.
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08/03/2004 01:48:19 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I have noticed the votes from commenters are generally higher than from those who do not comment. For the Macro IV challenge, I am forcing myself to comment on a photo before I allow myself to vote on it. What I am finding is that the act of commenting helps me see the photo better. It's remarkable. We'll see how this goes. I just hope that by the time I'm done, IV won't stand for IntraVenous ..... |
Yes, I agree completely, the act of commenting helps me more than antyhing else I do on this site.
I have a guideline I started following when commenting. I try to comment on what could have been done differently as early as possible in the image creation cycle. Ideally the comments would be about the visualization, but I haven't managed to get that early yet -- I try to look at what could be done with the lighting, exposure, perspective and such. My reasoning is that it is always easier to correct an issue that never happens (it is usually referred to as prevention), rather than trying to patch it up later. Sometimes I simply don't have anything to offer, but when I do I learn things that are on my mind when I am the one controlling the shutter.
David
Forced participation tends to reduce the quality of the participation. :(
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08/03/2004 01:57:35 AM · #9 |
i dont agree, if i dont have anything good to say i dont comment,
i only take the advice of good photographers anyway. since when
can a noice give valid comments??
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08/03/2004 02:03:13 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by goodman:
i dont agree, if i dont have anything good to say i dont comment,
i only take the advice of good photographers anyway. since when
can a noice give valid comments?? |
Some of the most inspiring comments I have ever gotten on my photography have come from people who are not photographers.
Sometimes it is nice to get a comment about emotional impact of a photo rather than how it could be better achieved.
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08/03/2004 02:36:36 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Sometimes it is nice to get a comment about emotional impact of a photo rather than how it could be better achieved. |
Someone once said that photographers can not look at another photographers work without saying how they would have shot it differently and that this is one of the rudest things that they could do (I believe it was Brooks from the lensworks 10th aniversary issue and I AM paraphrasing). How a true this is...
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08/03/2004 02:46:55 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Sometimes it is nice to get a comment about emotional impact of a photo rather than how it could be better achieved. |
Someone once said that photographers can not look at another photographers work without saying how they would have shot it differently and that this is one of the rudest things that they could do (I believe it was Brooks from the lensworks 10th aniversary issue and I AM paraphrasing). How a true this is... |
But isn't that the purpose of entering the challenges?
David
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08/03/2004 02:59:04 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Someone once said that photographers can not look at another photographers work without saying how they would have shot it differently and that this is one of the rudest things that they could do (I believe it was Brooks from the lensworks 10th aniversary issue and I AM paraphrasing). How a true this is... |
But isn't that the purpose of entering the challenges?
David |
It is to a point... I am begining to believe that true photographers however can not really be un biased towards any photograph that they or another shot. They will not really see the art that it is. Instead they will see the work that was put into it... The technical details... The time spent... The lighting... Shall I go on? In other words we can't see the forest for the trees...
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08/03/2004 07:28:34 AM · #14 |
I'm a novice and I comment... goodman, I think what you said is a little arrogant (not to be rude). Since most of the images I see ARE better than my own, I normally don't critique, but I let the photographer know that I like it an why I like it... I would think that anyone would like a compliment on their photo, but maybe I'm wrong in this assumption. That aside, commenting really does make me look deeper into the photo, so I think it actually helps me learn the process, too. I'm hoping it's the work of better photographers and my study of them that make me a better one.
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08/03/2004 07:51:55 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by goodman:
i dont agree, if i dont have anything good to say i dont comment,
i only take the advice of good photographers anyway. since when
can a noice give valid comments?? |
How do you know that the "novice" that has made the comment is not really the professional photographer that has been making a living out of his work for the last 25 years eh?
Might pay to open your mind a bit! |
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08/03/2004 08:06:35 AM · #16 |
Comments are a must!
I was so disapointed when I got no comments on one of my submissions.
Some comments:
help you take better pictures,
help the commenter even,
inspire you,
make you feel proud
and even save the day.
So go comment and stop 'babling' in the forums. |
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08/03/2004 08:11:29 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by goodman:
i only take the advice of good photographers anyway. since when can a noice give valid comments?? |
So by that definition, can you give a book review having not written a book? |
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08/03/2004 08:12:10 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by annasense:
I'm a novice and I comment... goodman, I think what you said is a little arrogant (not to be rude). Since most of the images I see ARE better than my own, I normally don't critique, but I let the photographer know that I like it an why I like it... I would think that anyone would like a compliment on their photo, but maybe I'm wrong in this assumption. That aside, commenting really does make me look deeper into the photo, so I think it actually helps me learn the process, too. I'm hoping it's the work of better photographers and my study of them that make me a better one. |
Yeah I agree, I think the only way to learn is to dive in. I hesitated on scoring when I started five minutes ago and now I feel a lot more comfortable with my vote. I also like to check my vote Vs the end result and find that most of the time I'm with reason.
I add comments more and more and I'm feeling more confident each time as well, again I go back and look at the other comments that were made on the same photo and see if I was right or way out.
Its part of the learning curve...
Bob
BTW I had set a personal goal to vote 100% and comment 20% a few challenges ago and was doing Ok but now I have 3 to vote on don't think I can meet the comments at this time around.
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08/03/2004 08:17:18 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by siggi:
Comments are a must!
I was so disapointed when I got no comments on one of my submissions.
Some comments:
help you take better pictures,
help the commenter even,
inspire you,
make you feel proud
and even save the day.
So go comment and stop 'babling' in the forums. |
That's right Siggi I agree, any chance of a comment on my photo?? |
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08/03/2004 08:22:28 AM · #20 |
I think the vote itself can be considered a comment. You're being asked to rate a photograph on a scale of 1 to 10. Your vote tells me what you think of my photo. If I want to learn from this site, I'll seek out the "better" (it's all subjective...) photographers here and study their work.
That said, an inspired comment is invaluable. If my photo evokes an emotion in you, good or bad, that's what I'd like to know. If I end up with an average vote below what I had expected, I'll know that my image wasn't very inspiring (to the majority anyway).
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08/03/2004 12:35:06 PM · #21 |
I'm new and my first two challenges are the blue moon and the macro IV. Here's what I'm seeing:
Blue Moon - Apparently, I'm colourblind and my blue isn't blue so I've received 7 comments about that as well as some other negative aspects of the picture. Current Score: 2.7698
Macro IV - This one has received 84 votes, 110 views and not a single comment! Must be very inspiring. I wish people would at least say something about it, especially tips on how to improve it. Current Score: 4.9286
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08/03/2004 12:39:58 PM · #22 |
I haven't received a single comment either for Macro IV and it's not doing well.
Votes: 76
Views: 99
Avg Vote: 4.5789
Comments: 0
Sometimes comments start coming at a later stage of voting. I myself do that. I go through all the images and start commentin when I have some spare time for that.
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08/03/2004 12:47:36 PM · #23 |
| Good point, xion. That makes sense... |
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08/03/2004 12:54:34 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by xion:
I haven't received a single comment either for Macro IV and it's not doing well.
Votes: 76
Views: 99
Avg Vote: 4.5789
Comments: 0
Sometimes comments start coming at a later stage of voting. I myself do that. I go through all the images and start commentin when I have some spare time for that. |
Stats:
You have rated 156 of 249 images (36%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 155 images (36%) in this challenge.
I'm working as fast as I can, but have to take a break from bugs and flowers from time to time.
Edit: Updated stats and bumped for the night croud.
Message edited by author 2004-08-03 23:23:47. |
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08/04/2004 07:55:31 PM · #25 |
Stats:
You have rated 248 of 249 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 248 images (100%) in this challenge.
Okay I finally did it. Every single one of you in the Macro IV challenge has at least one comment. I tried to keep them all constructive and as balanced as the submission would allow.
I have received exactly 2 comments.
The only score I care about on this challenge now stands at 248 to 2. It's your turn to comment. GET BUSY! I mean NOW! |
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