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08/02/2004 09:32:48 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Nelzie:
The thing that 'sucks' about this site is that few people really offer any kind of suggestions as to how I could improve any of my images. I have had a handful of 'Good Shot' comments and a few 'Composition sUx0rS' but very little in the way of suggestions to actually improve my photography. |
Robert,
You may not place much store in my advice since my images aren't particularly great BUT I do believe that being able to create a good photograph and being able to understand what makes a good photograph are different skills and shouldn't be confused. It's not always those who are best at doing that are also best at teaching/ advising. So anyway, I left a comment on both your entries just now. Hope they are of some value.
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08/02/2004 09:43:52 AM · #27 |
Thanks for the links!
Originally posted by skiprow:
another tip: go to Barnes & Nobels (or something similar, where you are free to drink coffee and browse books), grab 5-10 books on photography, scan through them, and make lots of notes! then go and shoot it up. |
Here's an even shadier tip...Go to said location, buy the book, read it thoroughly and if you don't like it return it within 30 days. It's like having a 30 day library of the newest books. And here's another good cheap book by National Geographic. |
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08/02/2004 09:50:05 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by PerezDesignGroup:
Here's an even shadier tip...Go to said location, buy the book, read it thoroughly and if you don't like it return it within 30 days. It's like having a 30 day library of the newest books. |
now, now...i wouldn't suggest going that far...depending on the cashier, they might point out their return policy is for unread books...but you are right about their books being more current than the library. on the other hand, if you see something that really works for you, buy it, keep it, and carry it around while you're shooting... |
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08/02/2004 10:12:32 AM · #29 |
well would you look at that: even though the original post was labelled as useless by most, an actual discussion on the topic is developing with some useful links.
Funny how that happens.
Maybe Jim just hasn't pissed anyone off lately and felt like being a dinkus. Either way, it's purpose was served. As is my breakfast. gotta go.
P
ps oh, sorry, it's John. I always forget that ;)
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08/02/2004 10:17:50 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Most of the higher scoring photos don't suffer this problem but a majority of the lower scoring photos do. Besides the poor subject choices that don't score well, the compositions stink. There is little or no thought put into this aspect of the photograph.
If you suffer from frequent scores of 5 or below, ask yourself what you know about photographic composition. If you can't answer beyond "I know what the rule of thirds is" then you may want to do some investigation.
Enjoy your reading :) |
I seem to suffer from frequent scores of 5 or above, but only slightly above. Does that mean my compositions only stink a little? :)
Personally, I suspect that the subject choices in my challenge photos have a lot to do with my less than exemplary scores. Well, that plus a noticeable lack of technical expertise. I am always trying to improve, however for me photography is only a hobby and I can only devote a limited amount of time to my challenge entries.
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08/02/2004 10:33:08 AM · #31 |
Good Morning :)
I think my post may have accomplished something. I did intend to generate 'discussion' and I think it worked out :) You can take this post however you like. I could have worded it a million different ways. I don't think discussion would have happended if I has said something sugar coated with a bunch of links to composition tutorials. After reading through this thread this morning, I believe that some people understood a little 'tough love' here :) I expected some to take it personally and I was hoping some would take it as they have.
Those who want to learn will go to Google and search. I *DO* understand that everyone here doesn't have the same objectives. Some are out to improve and some aren't, which is perfectly OK. "Stinks" is somewhere between "could be better" and "sucks" on the sugar scale. However, in all fairness, I will post a link that I believe is one of the best places to start...
Agfanet's Classical Photo Course
Happy reading :)
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08/02/2004 10:34:22 AM · #32 |
Just do a search for some of the terms that you are seeing in a search engine (preferably Google), and the word tutorial, and you will probably get many websites exbounding on the term.
Books...
John just recently recommnended Understanding Exposure, by Byan Peterson (1990). He says that everyone that wants to take better photos should own this book...
Also, I would say pick up a general photography reference book, there are many, I have one by John Hedgecoe (excellent photographer who has been in the industry for MANY years...), such as The Photographer's Handbook, by John Hedgecoe...
Also, you may want to pick up a photographic design book, which will exbound on the info in Jodie's Lesson 1 class, or John recommend's 'learning to see creatively' by bryan f. peterson
This should help...
-Danielle
Above was cut/pasted as the other thread was locked. Just wanted to ad an FYI...
Bryan Peterson is releasing a new version of Understanding Exposure that's supposed to be out this month. |
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08/02/2004 10:37:01 AM · #33 |
Here is what I posted in the other thread that caiin started (that is locked), for anyone that is new, that may want a few pointers:
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Betterphoto.com
Jodie Coston's classes (Free)
Here's John's web site, click on writings on the side, and there will be some information on the right, under the photo
Just do a search for some of the terms that you are seeing in a search engine (preferably Google), and the word tutorial, and you will probably get many websites exbounding on the term.
Books...
John just recently recommnended Understanding Exposure, by Byan Peterson (1990). He says that everyone that wants to take better photos should own this book...
Also, I would say pick up a general photography reference book, there are many, I have one by John Hedgecoe (excellent photographer who has been in the industry for MANY years...), such as The Photographer's Handbook, by John Hedgecoe...
Also, you may want to pick up a photographic design book, which will exbound on the info in Jodie's Lesson 1 class, or John recommend's 'learning to see creatively' by bryan f. peterson
This should help...
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-Danielle
Message edited by author 2004-08-02 10:37:54.
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08/02/2004 10:40:08 AM · #34 |
Thanks for this little tidbit!
-Danielle
BTW-I must have been transfering that post while you were, sorry for the repeat!
Originally posted by digistoune:
Bryan Peterson is releasing a new version of Understanding Exposure that's supposed to be out this month. |
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08/02/2004 11:45:43 AM · #35 |
Ha ha haaaa... it wasn't about taking it personally, it was about my personal opinion that the original post was not posted to be helpful or even to generate discussion but was probably an impulsive vent against mediocrity!
Whatever!
Ha ha ha...too funny... good save!
Message edited by author 2004-08-02 11:48:02.
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08/02/2004 11:57:02 AM · #36 |
I should probably add that I'm chatting to John in CHAT at this moment and winding him up big time as is a long standing tradition between us, so hence the deliberately baiting post above!
He he he
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