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07/19/2004 08:53:17 PM · #1 |
| Do you ever find yourself looking at the pictures and giving the first instance of a particular idea a good score but by the time you have seen it three or four times you start giving out lower and lower scores? |
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07/19/2004 08:56:13 PM · #2 |
| No, I don't expect everyone to read eachothers minds before the challenge starts. |
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07/19/2004 09:02:17 PM · #3 |
| Actually, no. I think its kind of neat to see the different perspectives people take on the same subject. A creative angle and/or background can definately increase the score I give a photo even if it is a popular subject in a challenge. |
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07/19/2004 09:03:48 PM · #4 |
| I try not to look at the titles - a photo should stand on it's own without help sooooo my first impression is valid. After the fact I start to add/subtract more then I saw at first. |
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07/19/2004 09:05:55 PM · #5 |
I make a conscious effort not to do that, though admittedly it's hard. As Thamer mentioned, there's no way for anyone to know what everyone else is submitting before the challenge starts, so I do the best I can to rate each photo on its own individual merit
-Terry
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07/19/2004 09:06:10 PM · #6 |
| While it is true that a photo should stand on its own, there are times when the title reveals something hidden. |
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07/19/2004 11:16:57 PM · #7 |
I find myself consciously thinking "what did I give the last one(s) like this, and is this better or worse?" I try hard to be equitable, and I try (and fail often, LOL) to avoid submitting the obvious popular subjects.
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07/19/2004 11:19:52 PM · #8 |
I'm tryin to be sure that I vote on the merits of the photo and not just the idea...how well the idea was pulled off is more important to me than whether or not the idea has been seen before. I hope that makes sense...it's been a long day! LOL
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07/19/2004 11:27:12 PM · #9 |
| Hey Lauriel: you hit it on the money. Our best ideas often fail because of bad presentation. This concept follows us through life. |
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07/19/2004 11:42:36 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by agrimace:
Do you ever find yourself looking at the pictures and giving the first instance of a particular idea a good score but by the time you have seen it three or four times you start giving out lower and lower scores? |
I tried and think I mostly succeeded in judging each photo fairly and equitably.
That said, I'd be lying if I didn't admit to becoming tired of shots of signs and/or monuments and/or plaques in the current challenge.
No disrespect meant to any specific person who submitted a photo along those lines. |
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07/19/2004 11:49:23 PM · #11 |
That's one of the reasons I go through them all in one sitting and do this:
Meets the challenge: Minimum of 5
Better than most & meets the challenge: 6-7
Great shots (quality/imagination) meeting the challenge: 7-8
Wow factors, stunning composition, meeting the challenge: 8-9
Doesn't meet the challenge: Maximum of 4 (for really good shots), 3 if there are major issues with the image and/or flat out not meeting the challenge at all.
Then I go back through them now that they are grouped in the above clusters and re-evaluate. Many go up, few go down. Comments are added for 8's, 9's & 10's first. Then I return to the 4's & below and carefully scrutinize why I didn't think it met the challenge. I will take a second look, sometimes at extreme angles on the monitor just in case a submission is dark and/or details are too obscure to readily see. Sometimes I pick up on things this way and bump a shot out of the 3-4 realm back to say 5 (or higher), as at times may have missed the intent of the author's fit into the challenge.
Then I add comments to the low scores and request members to PM me in case I have missed the point/fit into the challenge, to prevent my lack of being open-minded. (BTDT)
I often will go back through them a 3rd time just to make sure my judgement wasn't a bit hasty or "off" that day.
Time consuming process....
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07/19/2004 11:53:21 PM · #12 |
As someone who tends to shoot "popular" solutions to challenges I know that a lot of people tend to hammer a subject they see more than three times. My favorite comment was "Unoriginal - Don't take a picture of the first thing that pops in your head. Good photograph but too many ****** pictures."
Granted it is tough to be fair to a group of photos that all present the same idea, but how can a shooter know what others will submit. Think of the poor photo editor at Sports Illustrated " What! Another shot of a baseball player?" If a solution to the challenge was a good idea the first time, try to pretend it was a good idea the tenth time.
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07/19/2004 11:59:05 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by BradP:
That's one of the reasons I go through them all in one sitting and do this:
Meets the challenge: Minimum of 5
Better than most & meets the challenge: 6-7
Great shots (quality/imagination) meeting the challenge: 7-8
Wow factors, stunning composition, meeting the challenge: 8-9
Doesn't meet the challenge: Maximum of 4 (for really good shots), 3 if there are major issues with the image and/or flat out not meeting the challenge at all.
Then I go back through them... |
That's the way I do it exactly. One you got groups it is easy to kick em up or down a notch in regards to those in the same group.
Comments I try to go the other way... 3's and 4's first, that way If I don't get to tell the guys on top what a wonderful job they did, I at least tried to help those I thought could use it. |
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07/20/2004 12:17:40 AM · #14 |
I used to try to match scores of the same subject. Reasoning their originality is the same level as the others. I changed though, now I try to be more open-minded, and have noticed I give much higher scores. If there are say 5 flower photos that meet the challenge I try to give one of them a "best in show" award score for doing the best at their chosen subject.
However, I disagree that people shouldn't be judged for doing something a dozen others did also. That's the point of originality, if you think of something obvious, you should know that chances are others will think of the same thing. The more obvious it is, the more people will think of it. I don't see how you can even pretend that you were original, when a dozen others thought exactly like you.
That said, I think people who are more creative should be voted up, and people who are less creative should not be voted down for it. Reward the unique, but don't punish the mass.
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07/21/2004 07:05:09 AM · #15 |
This sounds like a good way to do this. I am not sure I can get myself to go through 300+ pictures in one sitting without getting more critical as I go along.
Originally posted by BradP:
That's one of the reasons I go through them all in one sitting and do this:
Meets the challenge: Minimum of 5
Better than most & meets the challenge: 6-7
Great shots (quality/imagination) meeting the challenge: 7-8
Wow factors, stunning composition, meeting the challenge: 8-9
Doesn't meet the challenge: Maximum of 4 (for really good shots), 3 if there are major issues with the image and/or flat out not meeting the challenge at all.
Then I go back through them now that they are grouped in the above clusters and re-evaluate. Many go up, few go down. Comments are added for 8's, 9's & 10's first. Then I return to the 4's & below and carefully scrutinize why I didn't think it met the challenge. I will take a second look, sometimes at extreme angles on the monitor just in case a submission is dark and/or details are too obscure to readily see. Sometimes I pick up on things this way and bump a shot out of the 3-4 realm back to say 5 (or higher), as at times may have missed the intent of the author's fit into the challenge.
Then I add comments to the low scores and request members to PM me in case I have missed the point/fit into the challenge, to prevent my lack of being open-minded. (BTDT)
I often will go back through them a 3rd time just to make sure my judgement wasn't a bit hasty or "off" that day.
Time consuming process.... |
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07/21/2004 07:41:45 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Then I add comments to the low scores and request members to PM me in case I have missed the point/fit into the challenge, to prevent my lack of being open-minded. |
I wish people would have more understanding of, and respect for, the importance of anonymity in the challenge voting. Requesting entrants to PM you during the voting phase is a pretty blatant way of undermining what is one of the basic concepts of the competition. It is unfair to allow some (the ones you voted low) a chance to provide more info while not extending that same privilege to all the other contestants. The entry you are judging is composed of the photo and it's title, nothing more and nothing less. |
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07/21/2004 04:04:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I wish people would have more understanding of, and respect for, the importance of anonymity in the challenge voting. Requesting entrants to PM you during the voting phase is a pretty blatant way of undermining what is one of the basic concepts of the competition. It is unfair to allow some (the ones you voted low) a chance to provide more info while not extending that same privilege to all the other contestants. The entry you are judging is composed of the photo and it's title, nothing more and nothing less. |
Thanks for grabbing me by the shoulders & giving me a shake.
Your point is well taken.
PM's during a challenge should be refrained.
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07/21/2004 04:36:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by BradP:
That's one of the reasons I go through them all in one sitting and do this:
Meets the challenge: Minimum of 5
Better than most & meets the challenge: 6-7
Great shots (quality/imagination) meeting the challenge: 7-8
Wow factors, stunning composition, meeting the challenge: 8-9
Doesn't meet the challenge: Maximum of 4 (for really good shots), 3 if there are major issues with the image and/or flat out not meeting the challenge at all. |
Some how I have adopted this method as well I think by reading comments in the forum. I also set myself a minimum comment target of 20%. As I go through and vote the first time I will only comment on something that stands out but before the challenge is finished I will start from the lowest and work my way up adjusting scores (higher only) as I go. I concentrate my comments in the lower scored area.
Bob
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