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07/07/2004 04:10:16 PM · #126 |
Digital look is a technical limitation IMHO. Certainly they can make colors more film like. Certain cameras do that, such as Fuji S2 or Nikon line in general. But, it still doesn't solve the resolving issue on highlights which is what makes digital look digital no matter what you do in photoshop. I am looking forward to the FUji S3 -- supposed to have two sensors at each pixel location, one for mid tones, one with a lot less sensitivity and is designed to capture highlight data, the result is greater dynamic range and retention of highlights and more film like.
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07/07/2004 04:16:41 PM · #127 |
It isn't really greater dynamic range that causes it - more that film has a more graceful degradation - not such an abrupt cut-off point. The effective dynamic range is about the same - give or take.
There are digital cameras with much higher dynamic range than film, that still suffer from an abrupt transition. The clipping of digital is part of the different feel.
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07/07/2004 04:36:07 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
It isn't really greater dynamic range that causes it - more that film has a more graceful degradation - not such an abrupt cut-off point. The effective dynamic range is about the same - give or take.
There are digital cameras with much higher dynamic range than film, that still suffer from an abrupt transition. The clipping of digital is part of the different feel. |
Perhaps the difference is that the grain in film is consistent (not mathmatically but that it exists in the entire image) so it breaks up or smooths the transitions. Noice, on the other hand, may exist in a portion of the image, due to exposure or color, and not in others. So, a well exposed face may have no noise, the dark blue evening sky right next to it may have a lot, and the sharpening algorithm may create a distinct line between the two. The result is a face, or other element, on the image that is not highlighted but actually separated from the image.
I hope you don't mind the additional post on the subject. I have struggled with certain aspects of digital but never been able to describe it.
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07/07/2004 04:45:03 PM · #129 |
Let me reword it, it's the number of samples it takes on the highlights :-) Or maybe I should say the dynamic range of the highlight region, which film definitely have the edge. Overall dynamic range might not be greater for film, but within the highlights it is.
Originally posted by Gordon:
It isn't really greater dynamic range that causes it - more that film has a more graceful degradation - not such an abrupt cut-off point. The effective dynamic range is about the same - give or take.
There are digital cameras with much higher dynamic range than film, that still suffer from an abrupt transition. The clipping of digital is part of the different feel. |
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08/03/2004 09:59:17 AM · #130 |
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Gordon:
It starts feeling soul destroying.
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Gordon, maybe you need to spend some more time shooting film to get your mojo back. My suggestion is to buy a used 2 1/4 camera, nothing fancy, something like a Yashica TLR, whatever you get, don't spend more than a couple hundred. Go shoot some film, Plus X, TriX, maybe even some Kodachrome. Meter by the seat of your pants or get a cheap incident light meter. Have fun. Be sure to share, both the images and your experiences. |
You can also get a Seagull TLR for $200 (even less on eBay) at Ritz.
I have my eye on one. I started with my dad's Yashika TLR and loved it at the time. I used to have to guess at exposure using the guidelines on the inside of the film box. I didn't have a hand held light meter, even! LOL!
I took some nice photos with that camera until the viewfinder cracked. |
Did anybody every pick up a Seagull TLR? It sounds like a very inexpensive and interesting way to experiment with another aspect of photography, but I am wondering if there is a service where I can get the film processed and digital scans mailed back? I'm also curious if a scanned imaged from film will have a different feel than digital capture?
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