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07/01/2004 05:53:59 PM · #26 |
This was never intended to start off a big discussion, I was only a bit frustated (see my 1st post).
No harm done here.
Airatic, I think that I know what you mean, but can't say that here because it would reveal my photo, but keep in mind that "it moves"
Well that's the last thing I want to say about it before this starts to get another "WWYT" topic! |
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07/01/2004 06:00:02 PM · #27 |
The whole Challenge arena is one we cannot pre-judge. My "Extraordinary" started out at 3.0000 with 6 votes. THAT bothered me. Now it's up to 4.6528 with 72 votes.
Only one comment so far:
"Fantastic shot 10"
Go figure. It's subjective. The first 6 votes at 3.000 without comments as to why, is odd. Maybe they will come back and comment on their likes/dislikes.
I generally go through them all, in one sitting, get a immediate feel and rate it so. (Most will be in the 4-8 range at this point). I then will go back and give them all a second look, now in a thumbnail layout (easier). I adjust, not comparing one to another, but on it's own. If I vote an image 3 or under, (rare) I will make a comment. If I vote a 9 or 10, I will comment. Depending on time, I will try and comment on the 8's and what might have kept it out of a 9 or 10.
Again, it's all subjective. One person hates a shot and votes it a 1, followed by someone else loving it and voting it a 10. It all comes down to the law of averages. The more votes, the more realistic the score will be.
There are some people out there that hate Ansel Adams' photographs. Are they wrong? No. Just very weird...
LOL
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07/01/2004 06:01:36 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
C'mon people.
Just because someone hasn't won a ribbon or score as high as others in the challenges doesn't mean their vote/comment should just be thrown out.
I'm one of those middle of the road photographers that have never won a ribbon, but 80% of my 1300 comments were marked helpful. I use to make at least 100 comments a week. Commented on all entries in a challenge 2 times.
I stopped commenting because someone PM'd me with a semi-rude response about my camera and not winning a ribbon before. I have since started making comments on a different site. |
Faidoi, I own an S-75 and with it I got my highest score to date. It is a good camera. With a clean image. A great tool to learn a lot about Photography.
Some people have issues and have to place the blame on others. Somehow we mustn̢۪t let them get to us.
Sonifo got a 7.723 with the S_70, and you got a 7.0402 on your sunset picture. I would love to get scores like that!
jm
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07/01/2004 06:10:40 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by jmritz:
Some people have issues and have to place the blame on others. Somehow we mustn̢۪t let them get to us.
jm |
Yeah your right and I did make a resolution to make 2,000 comments before my anniversary here. 660 comments in 9 days. If I go back to 100 a day it should be no problem I guess. |
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07/01/2004 06:22:29 PM · #30 |
I don't agree with the idea of using someone's challenge ratings to determine the worth of their critique. The ratings after all, are based on popular opinion. Frequently, my opinion differs vastly from the popular one. I did not like any of the ribbon winners for Choices, for example (no offense intended--just my personal taste). If the commentor has a portfolio I look through that to determine whether I like their work. I also read through their comment history and see how their opinion jives with my own.
A really good photographer may not do well in challenges for various reasons; perhaps they have a tendency to be oblique with the challenge themes, perhaps it is a taste for grainy images which are practically anethema on this forum, perhaps their subject matter is morbid. Whatever the reason, there are great photographers here that may not be ribbon winners but whose work you might be surprised to find in the favorites of many DPC members.
I don't think a comment that actually gives specifics should be discounted too rashly. I read through Airatic's comment history and found that she makes some rather inciteful ones despite her very low rating. She's only entered two challenges so far--hardly enough to determine her comments aren't worth considering. Philos31, you have only completed one challenge yourself so perhaps you should be a bit less hasty in calling foul on another newbie? We all want comments, especially when they give specifics. We may not like or agree with the opinion but as long as it is offered in a reasonable way we should be careful of complaining about them so as not to discourage people from leaving them. Try not to take comments personally. It is an anonymous voting process and most of us are not out to be mean. We can't know what you were thinking or what kind of camera you have when you took your shot. Remember, it is the photo we are commenting on (ideally) not the photographer. |
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07/01/2004 06:50:55 PM · #31 |
| thats it, from now on all my comments will be typed backwards:) |
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07/01/2004 07:59:54 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Originally posted by jmritz:
Some people have issues and have to place the blame on others. Somehow we mustn̢۪t let them get to us.
jm |
Yeah your right and I did make a resolution to make 2,000 comments before my anniversary here. 660 comments in 9 days. If I go back to 100 a day it should be no problem I guess. |
That̢۪s great to hear. I know I am not that good at comments and we need all the good folks like you to help us out with our photography. Thank you.
jm |
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07/01/2004 08:20:54 PM · #33 |
The real problem here isn't the quanity of comments but rather is an issue of the QUALITY of the comment. I would rather have one constructive comment that points out the good and the bad than 10 comments telling me how good something is. But at the same time one comment that is so far out there from the other 8 or 9 comments tends to make you wonder WHY, what's this persons problem.
I have a similar issue going on with the last 3 or 4 challenges where I have received ONE 1 in voting and I would really love to know if it was the same person repeatedly going through and giving ones for whatever the reason, but gee ONE 1 on each challenge not 4 or 5 but ONE that just seems so strange lately.
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07/01/2004 08:24:15 PM · #34 |
My friend Bassie had a good idea! when the computer is tallying the votes at the end of the challenge it should take the 4 lowest marks away from every one. That would weed out the few people trying to bring other people down.
Message edited by author 2004-07-01 20:24:51.
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07/01/2004 08:26:46 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by ConcreteDonkey:
My friend Bassie had a good idea! when the computer is tallying the votes at the end of the challenge it should tak the 4 lowest marks away from every one. That would weed out the few people trying to bring other people down. |
There is, as I understand it, a process that sort of does something similar to this. It removes the votes of those who appear to be "troll" voting. I don't think anyone outside the admins know exactly how it works, to keep anyone from trying to "beat the system". |
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07/01/2004 08:30:28 PM · #36 |
| The must be a better way because i see photos get first place and have a couple 1 votes. Thats Crazy. There has to be a better way to stop this . |
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07/01/2004 08:48:01 PM · #37 |
So far, I"ve received 9 comments for Extraordinary, and all of them have been positive and/or constructive. What's the matter with you people??? Isn't anyone going to tell me to get a life, a new hobby, a better subject, a better camera, or eyeglasses??? I'm bummed...
(The above is meant as humor, btw..)
Oh, and in case you're curious, my score is about 5.4 so far. Keeping my No Ribbon streak alive and well!
Message edited by author 2004-07-01 20:48:56.
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07/01/2004 08:52:13 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by ConcreteDonkey:
The must be a better way because i see photos get first place and have a couple 1 votes. Thats Crazy. There has to be a better way to stop this . |
The scale is 1 (bad) to 10 (good). Some people use the extremes, I tend towards the middle. My son, when he did some voting, would tend to vote either 1 or 10 -- but then 5 year-olds tend to see things in black and white extremes without much middle ground. (he's been on a long haiatus, so those aren't his votes now!).
There is, somewhere, someone who will look at what you think is the most fantastic photo you've ever seen, and just not like it. Someone, somewhere, will think the most disgusting piece of garbage you wish never had been printed is worth thousands.
As long as the voter applies their scale equally when judging all photos, there is no restriction beyond the 1-10 limit. Voters who vote unfairly in an attempt to manipulate the scores will have their votes purged or worse ...
And, if you are going to attack people for giving ones to what you think are great pictures, why don't you trash people who give tens to trash? That's just as "inaccurate" a vote ...
Message edited by author 2004-07-01 20:53:48. |
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07/01/2004 09:10:16 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
Other photographers that score higher then most of us here commented on the same photo. Some of them had critiques yes. But they where right. You were not.
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How can someone's opinion be wrong? Each person is charged with reviewing as many photos as they can, and if possible, write a few words, to the best of their ability.
I personally don't just want comments from the "best" (however you measure that) photographers here, but from everyone. I want to take photos that have mass appeal, and this site is a great way to do that -- we're getting comments from people of all skill levels, but one thing every reviewer has in common, which is the invaluable part, is a love of photography.
Thanks to all who take time to give their honest opinion. Don't let one or two naysayers get you down.
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07/01/2004 09:38:18 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by notonline:
thats it, from now on all my comments will be typed backwards:) |
LOL, diddo
maybe we should ask all the members here what they like and then do that......well i should nt say we as i shoot what i enjoy and the comments are just that. |
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07/01/2004 09:47:30 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by hgpayne:
..I want to take photos that have mass appeal... |
I keep forgetting that it is possible for someone to really want to do something like this. It would certainly explain the nature of many comments.
Message edited by author 2004-07-01 22:05:25.
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07/01/2004 10:37:00 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by lelani:
maybe we should ask all the members here what they like and then do that......well i should nt say we as i shoot what i enjoy and the comments are just that. |
Still wouldn't work 'cause everyone likes different things! :) |
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07/02/2004 12:28:20 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by jpochard:
Originally posted by lelani:
maybe we should ask all the members here what they like and then do that......well i should nt say we as i shoot what i enjoy and the comments are just that. |
Still wouldn't work 'cause everyone likes different things! :) |
yup thats my point |
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07/02/2004 03:39:06 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by hgpayne:
..I want to take photos that have mass appeal... |
I keep forgetting that it is possible for someone to really want to do something like this. It would certainly explain the nature of many comments. |
I would think I'm not unique here. I mean, isn't DCPrints all about selling your photos? If I only take photos that impress me, how many do I have a chance of selling? The more people that like my photos, the potential customers I have. This site helps me learn what appeals to "the masses" and therefore learn to create a much more viable product.
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07/02/2004 11:23:03 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by hgpayne:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by hgpayne:
..I want to take photos that have mass appeal... |
I keep forgetting that it is possible for someone to really want to do something like this. It would certainly explain the nature of many comments. |
I would think I'm not unique here. I mean, isn't DCPrints all about selling your photos? If I only take photos that impress me, how many do I have a chance of selling? The more people that like my photos, the potential customers I have. This site helps me learn what appeals to "the masses" and therefore learn to create a much more viable product. |
You are probably very right in assuming your not alone in this. To me, however, to combine an artistic ambition with the role of a salesman, is a very difficult and uneasy balance and, certainly, one I am not prepared to simply embrace.
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07/02/2004 11:40:42 AM · #46 |
| I cant imagine you would ever make a lot of money selling on DPCprints. I also dont think mass appeal is the best way to make money with photography. Do stock photographers make that much? It is far more satisfying to make a bit of money with photography when infusing images with your own vision...i think. |
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07/02/2004 11:56:06 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by hgpayne:
If I only take photos that impress me, how many do I have a chance of selling? The more people that like my photos, the potential customers I have. This site helps me learn what appeals to "the masses" and therefore learn to create a much more viable product. |
I think you are more likely to develop an interesting, personal and commercially viable style if you shoot for yourself, rather than worrying about shooting to sell. If you aim for lowest common denominator mass appeal, you might unfortunately achieve that.
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