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12/26/2025 02:46:26 PM · #1 |
Unfortunately, the former 1st place image has been DQ'd for shooting in RAW mode and not being able to provide a valid JPG file.
Please folks, don't forget, when you select the box that you've read the rules, make sure you've read them.
As a reminder, Minimal Rules state the following under 'You must' ...
"create your entry in JPG format from a single capture. (RAW images may not be used in Minimal Editing)."
Congratulations to our new Ribbon and HM winners.
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12/26/2025 03:44:16 PM · #2 |
Obviously I'm rather annoyed (at myself for failing to shoot JPEG in camera and then for not noticing the JPEG clause in the rules) so read my following question with that in mind:
Is there some logical reason, for disallowing the best proof of zero alterations, in a ruleset that forbids alterations?
It seems to me, that this ruleset above all others - is the one that should demand RAW files.
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12/26/2025 04:17:21 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by KristjanUnnar:
Obviously I'm rather annoyed (at myself for failing to shoot JPEG in camera and then for not noticing the JPEG clause in the rules) so read my following question with that in mind:
Is there some logical reason, for disallowing the best proof of zero alterations, in a ruleset that forbids alterations?
It seems to me, that this ruleset above all others - is the one that should demand RAW files. |
Did you not receive the ticket follow-up? |
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12/26/2025 05:25:29 PM · #4 |
I agree that a raw image should be acceptable but I know why they didnt make it that way in the beginning.
Message edited by author 2025-12-26 17:25:50. |
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12/26/2025 05:48:08 PM · #5 |
The RAW image will never match the JPEG because it will have been processed, and the only way to confirm that those settings were established prior to the exposure is to have the JPEG as directly captured at the time of exposure.
AFAIK virtually every camera capable of capturing RAW images has a setting to capture both RAW+JPEG images simultaneously -- IMO DPCers should enable this option when entering the other settings desirable for the situation's subject and lighting, if not leave on all the time (creating an instant backup if nothing else!). This might also encourage people to shoot with optimal settings rather than always "fixing in RAW" ... |
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12/26/2025 06:05:10 PM · #6 |
I made a mistake, I shot only in RAW, opened it in Capture One and made a JPG export directly - I honestly made zero adjustments personally. However it's time to note that Capture One has rather poor correction profiles for Canon lenses.
After being asked to deliver the original, I realize I should have shot JPG, so I thought I'd be okay by opening the RAW file that was still on the memory card and do a RAW>JPG conversion inside the camera using the built-in RAW processor of the camera, and then upload that. However, the in-camera RAW processing engine of course has better profiles for the sensor and lenses, so the resulting JPG looked a bit different from my submission, having better distortion & vignetting correction and some slight color difference as well.
So I fully admit and accept that I was at fault, which is such a shame since I didn't in fact do any manual editing and put quite a bit of time and effort into my entry.
However my original question remains, I would have thought that minimal-editing challenges should only allow RAW files as sources, since they can in fact - allow and prove less editing, than is do-able by using in-camera RAW processing engines. If I had started by uploading only the in-camera processed JPG, I guess I would have been fine? Would the site council have asked for a full-resolution of that JPG for proof, or would they have asked for the RAW file? |
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12/26/2025 09:48:35 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by KristjanUnnar:
... I would have thought that minimal-editing challenges should only allow RAW files as sources, since they can in fact - allow and prove less editing, than is do-able by using in-camera RAW processing engines. |
This would only work if we could display the RAW file directly to be voted on, perhaps if the submission is the RAW file itself and the site used a standardized conversion module to display (unlikely and/or impossible/impractical).
Submitting the RAW file for validations proves nothing about what editing may or may not have been done to the JLEG -- it has in fact been "edited" by applying various parameters to the conversion process.
Your "mistake" is not that uncommon, and the DQ does nothing to detract from the quality of the image or the integrity and intent of the photographer. |
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