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06/25/2004 03:12:14 PM · #51 |
"I think the NEWS is dangerous because a lot of people will see it and believe everything in it for fact without questioning it. There are a lot of stupid people out there.
It's a interesting revalation. Can the NEWS have an effect on a presidiential election? What does it say about our society if NBC can sway a vote? Will we be seeing this type of thing every election now?" |
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06/25/2004 03:19:33 PM · #52 |
I don't understand why Micheal Moore is labeled a propaganda film maker. Aljazzera is considered propaganda news agency for the arab world. So what does that make CNN? Non-Biased fair news....pppssshhhh.
Aaron Brown was whipping the senior editor at Aljezzera last April on CNN for showing American soldiers as hostages when it was against the Geneva Convention to do so. BUT!!!! CNN and Aaron Brown totaly forgot about the Geneva Convention prior to the whipping when they decided to show Afgani prisoners at Guantonamo Bay.
It's all propoganda really. The only news I watch is CBC or the BBC, they are the only news agencies which shed light on both sides of a matter.
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06/25/2004 03:21:33 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Fibre Optix:
I don't understand why Micheal Moore is labeled a propaganda film maker. Aljazzera is considered propaganda news agency for the arab world. So what does that make CNN? Non-Biased fair news....pppssshhhh.
Aaron Brown was whipping the senior editor at Aljezzera last April on CNN for showing American soldiers as hostages when it was against the Geneva Convention to do so. BUT!!!! CNN and Aaron Brown totaly forgot about the Geneva Convention prior to the whipping when they decided to show Afgani prisoners at Guantonamo Bay.
It's all propoganda really. The only news I watch is CBC or the BBC, they are the only news agencies which shed light on both sides of a matter. |
Fox is the only fair and balanced(tm) station in the US. Anyone else is obviously part of that left wing/ liberal media bias...
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06/25/2004 03:32:47 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by jadin:
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
I've not seen the movie and I've come back to the forum:P The movie just doesn't appeal to me nor does Michael Moore. I'm going to see Dodgeball a True Underdog Story. |
That statement says so much. |
About what? That I'd rather see something that's going to make me laugh. I had responded to the previous post. I will participate in this thread if I want to because it asked "will you go?" not "what did you think about it?" Trust me, start a thread like that and I promise you I won't participate any time soon. So again, no I have no interest in this movie or Michael Moore and I won't be going. |
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06/25/2004 04:29:13 PM · #55 |
| nope......no spin, not here, and i'm not paying to see crap!! i can turn on my tv for free |
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06/25/2004 04:34:54 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Originally posted by jadin:
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
I've not seen the movie and I've come back to the forum:P The movie just doesn't appeal to me nor does Michael Moore. I'm going to see Dodgeball a True Underdog Story. |
That statement says so much. |
About what? That I'd rather see something that's going to make me laugh. I had responded to the previous post. I will participate in this thread if I want to because it asked "will you go?" not "what did you think about it?" Trust me, start a thread like that and I promise you I won't participate any time soon. So again, no I have no interest in this movie or Michael Moore and I won't be going. |
i think what he means is that mentality is one of our problems and is essencially why this movie is coming out. cause people dont keep up w/ reality and what there government is doing. its the mentality that a person would rather go see a mindless "entertaining" movie then one that puts a real hard, unpopular look at the US gov and there pres.
i think if americans were not so blind and demanded acountability from there government in the 1st place, we wouldnt be in a time in history where we need extreme movies to come out to wake us up. |
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06/25/2004 04:52:37 PM · #57 |
| btw, for those who havnt seen it, view the fahrenheit911 trailer HERE |
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06/25/2004 05:35:07 PM · #58 |
LOL! Fox News???
I thought Fox news was worse than CNN. In fact i read a study were .... wait let me see if I can find that article in Time Mag.... oh ya here it is ...
"Previous studies have shown Fox News viewers were uniquely ill-informed about WMDs, al-Qaeda presence in Iraq and Iraqi involvement in 9/11."
Any Way bud you have the right to choose, I'm not criticizing your choice, I'm just surprised, that's all.
What I love is that Bush supporting corporations (Lobbyist) are demanding the film gets banned. They're applying financial heat on the theatre companies that show the film. Disney is one of them. God you go to love democracy. These blood sucking corporations are praising their beloved G.W. Bush for bringing democracy and free speech to Iraq. But yet when democracy and free speech is practiced in their own country they want to shut it down.
You have the right to say what you want. BUT! If I don't agree, I have the right to do what ever I can to shut you up!
Ya got to love it.
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 17:39:38.
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06/25/2004 05:47:26 PM · #59 |
Fox news.
One of my extreme right wing friends once told me he loved fox news because they used the term "homicide bomber" instead of "suicide bomber". the term is less specific, and can be applied to anybody... tim mcveigh, the unibomber, the term "suicide bomber" was much more descriptive and helped explain some of the circumstances. Otherwise, just the term bomber could have been used. FOX is not fair and balanced, and everybody knows it. They are catering to a specfic part of the viewing audience, as a reaction to the outcry about the other networks' bias.
I am going to see the film. I love michael moore's casual style, and what people need to know is that he DOES inform. He does offer an insight that isn't provided elsewhere. You don't have to agree with everything he says, or even most of what he says to have learned something from the film. I thought the 911 tape sequence from bowling for columbine was one of the most chilling things I have ever seen in the theatre. That being said, be intelligent, have the smarts to know when he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Listen to the argument, and take the parts you like, leave the rest. You will grow from watching this movie if you try. no matter what "side" you are on. More importantly, don't let youself be so polarized. extreme left, or extreme right is still extreme, and you really should be thinking for yourself. I'll bet I'll learn from this movie, just like I have from all of his other movies, and I'll bet I'll find faults in his logic, but at least somebody is trying to bring up the issues.
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06/25/2004 06:00:17 PM · #60 |
From an earlier post-- "I think the movie is dangerous because a lot of people will go see it and believe everything in it for fact without questioning it."
Kinda the political mirror image of talk radio? Is the movie dangerous because it will influence people, or is the movie dangerous because it will influence their minds in a direction different than the one talk radio listeners have allowed their minds to be pushed?
You really have to be willing to consider input from both sides if you want to form an intelligent opinion on issues. |
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06/25/2004 06:01:26 PM · #61 |
I will definitely see it. Mr. Moore is a brave man confronting the war hungry Americans with their own medicine.
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06/25/2004 06:03:50 PM · #62 |
I'm not American, but I don't think American's are war hungry, this administration is though.
I hope the movie influences no one. Make your own mind up based on facts. But like someone else said in this thread, the more point of views the better .... and that includes CNN and FOX news.
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 18:06:35.
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06/25/2004 06:13:21 PM · #63 |
Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Expression...
This film is a story, with real facts and some stretches of the imagination perhaps. Regardless, you don't have to see it, but before you bash him and the film, you should see it and read more about him and his views (not just what some companies and writers say).
Do your OWN research to learn the truth. He did a lot of research before making this film.
And you can learn about him by listening to others or researching yourselves. It's up to you and how much you care about the truth or how much you want to 'believe the truth'.
I am seeing F9/11 this coming week! I am also going to do my part to get more people out to vote! |
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06/25/2004 07:12:49 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Fibre Optix:
LOL! Fox News???
I thought Fox news was worse than CNN. In fact i read a study were .... wait let me see if I can find that article in Time Mag.... oh ya here it is ...
"Previous studies have shown Fox News viewers were uniquely ill-informed about WMDs, al-Qaeda presence in Iraq and Iraqi involvement in 9/11."
Any Way bud you have the right to choose, I'm not criticizing your choice, I'm just surprised, that's all.
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Gordon was not being serious...he was being facetious and sarcastic. |
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06/25/2004 07:27:24 PM · #65 |
I'll bet this film is going to be a top grossing movie for the weekend it opens, maybe for the summer, and maybe for the year. People are hungry for this type of information because they know they can't get it from most media outlets in the US.
I think that the people that have said they will not go see the film because they view it as leftist propaganda and that MM is an idiot listen to Rush and Hanitty predominantly (hate radio) and are really scared of confronting the facts and the issues. I'll bet the president and his campaign staff are scared too!
Also, I don't think the democrats have anything to do with this movie and MM has been critical of the democrats in the past as well. The people who are bad-mouthing the film and film-maker always seem to revert to partisan politics when all else fails.
More than anything, MM is asking questions and wanting answers from the Bush administration, which they are reluctant to answer. |
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06/25/2004 08:32:18 PM · #66 |
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860) |
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06/25/2004 10:00:31 PM · #67 |
Facts, Truth, and Accuracy are not the same.
This film has some facts. It has some truths. However, it is far from accurate.
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06/25/2004 10:03:57 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Flash:
This film has some facts. It has some truths. However, it is far from accurate. |
Much like the rest of communications these days ...
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06/25/2004 10:05:48 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Facts, Truth, and Accuracy are not the same.
This film has some facts. It has some truths. However, it is far from accurate. |
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Did you see the film?
If so, what did you find to be inaccurate? |
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06/25/2004 10:10:24 PM · #70 |
| Having not seen the film yet (I will be tomorrow), I think the film tries to get at some of the facts that the media is not reporting to the public. I think it takes certain circumstances that are known to be true, such as the Bush administration meeting with the Taliban in July of 2001, and asking what that was all about....trying to get at more than just the surface, if there is more to get at. If MM does not ask these questions, then who will? |
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06/25/2004 10:31:12 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Much like the rest of communications these days ... |
Although I likely would have selected a different illustration, I certainly concur that the communications (as in news reporting, product advertising, political campaign espousals, defense attorney hype and book promotions) requires an inordanent(sp?) amount of effort to check facts and discern the truth and/or accuracy. It is no easy task to be "informed" so as to not be mis-led by the "wolf". (And there are plenty of wolves looking for an easy meal)......Right, Left, and Center.
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06/25/2004 10:40:24 PM · #72 |
I will be going, it is great to get a different perspective from the nbc/cnn one, that is so spoon fed. In 'bowling for colmbine' I thought it was good how MM asked questions. He did n't give all the answer. He asked and allowed viewers to draw some of their own conclusions.
It amazes me how a country so proud to own guns and proud to go to war, is so shocked when its youth solve problems the same way.
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06/25/2004 11:09:18 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Much like the rest of communications these days ... |
Although I likely would have selected a different illustration ... |
Sorry, I couldn't resist, especially after hearing his after-comments.
Say, will the FCC be fining C-Span under their new "boob-tube" rules? |
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06/25/2004 11:09:58 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
Here is a little cut and paste about F911
Okay people, whether you like Michael Moore or not if you're an American and you care even the slightest little bit about the rights and freedoms laid out in your constitution, you need to get upset about this ... Walt Disney have forbidden Miramax (who are a fully owned Disney subsidiary) from distributing Michael Moore's Faranheit 911. That'd be the film that points out the Bush family's business connections within the arab world, including to the family of Osama Bin Laden, and criticeses Bush's manipulation of the media post 9-11 to further his own agenda. And why has Disney gotten involved? Because they're afraid that Jeb Bush - that'd be George's brother who also happens to be governor of Florida - will repeal the tax breaks they receive on their Florida operations, including the Disney World theme park. Following the chain here? Moore makes a film criticising the president. President's brother leans on Michael Eisner. Eisner squelches film. This is brutal, absolutely brutal, and should not be tolerated regardless of your political leanings. |
Do you have any kind of proof of Jeb Bush 'leaning on' Michael Eisner? If Disney owns Miramax then Disney has the constitutionally-guaranteed right to decide what will be distributed via Miramax. |
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06/25/2004 11:34:49 PM · #75 |
| I planned to watch it tonight- but it was sold out. You have to understand before seeing it though; Moore said it himself, it's biased. The statistics are real: it's just his spin on things, and I think it's important that someone is actually putting something out there that brings to light the coverups of our government, whether or not he's right or not. |
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