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06/24/2004 01:18:08 AM · #1 |
I find it infuriating that people who don't think a particular image deserves a ribbon feel it necessary to post their shallow, sour grapes, and/or insensitive remarks directly on the page that displays the winner's photo, in the "comments after the challenge" section. Isn't it enough to have forums for this? I can't imagine -- well, actually I CAN imagine -- how disappointing it must be to win the top ribbon, and then, every time you feel like looking at that image again, having to read how it didn't meet the challenge, didn't deserve the ribbon, etc. People, please! If you don't think a winner deserved to win, and you feel you MUST drag the image through the mud, then use the forums. Let's not stain the winner's image page with your petty comments.
I for one am getting tired of having images win a challenge only to have someone feel it necessary to belittle it, call it childish, accuse the voters of being so stupid they couldn't see how it didn't meet the challenge, etc. When an image wins, it WINS. Can't we at least have the deceny to let the winner enjoy his or her accomplishment?
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06/24/2004 01:24:28 AM · #2 |
Gosh Gary - I've not seen that. But... please don't tell me one as that would just call attention to it. I totally agree with your thoughts.
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06/24/2004 03:10:05 AM · #3 |
The winner of "Choices." Although I wouldn't bash them, I partially agree. It's a good idea and all, but the background and pose are just blah... *shrugs* No WOW factor for me, and I prefer to see those in winning photos.
Edit: 
Message edited by author 2004-06-24 03:10:42.
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06/24/2004 03:29:03 AM · #4 |
Maybe no WOW factor but it does have the look and feel of a professional business portrait, which is where it draws it's parody from imo.
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06/24/2004 03:34:24 AM · #5 |
I'm with Ben, great shot, very professional looking picture.
Technically very good,
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06/24/2004 03:45:00 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by boomer:
Can't we at least have the deceny to let the winner enjoy his or her accomplishment? |
I think you're right, Gary. One may not agree with the winners, but they still won, and they deserve to enjoy it. |
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06/24/2004 04:01:17 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by boomer:
...having to read how it didn't meet the challenge, didn't deserve the ribbon, etc. |
Add "fake" and "photoshop" into that list. I agree with you.
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06/24/2004 04:27:56 AM · #8 |
He wasn't personally bashing the person that won, just that shot. I think it's good that opinions get expressed where folks will read them, on the shot rather than buried in some forum thread: it shows that we don't all agree. The fact that the points he makes may be weak, and that he obviously hasn't spent long enough here to realise that a registered member cannot vote on a full member challenge says quite enough to assess his comment.
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06/25/2004 02:04:47 AM · #9 |
Great photo. Fitted the challenge perfectly. Immaculate in every way.
Although it is boring, a photograph does not have to have a WOW factor to be a good photo (as i'm sure everyone agrees with.). It is well conceived, executed, and produced. That is why it won.
EDIT: Oh, and congratulations on your ribbon. Well deserved.
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 02:07:52. |
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06/25/2004 02:38:40 AM · #10 |
I have kept very quiet about the controversy over my win so far, but seeing this pulled up again I think now is a good time to put it to rest.
When I shot this photo I did so with the sole purpose of meeting the challenge. I would rather have a photo that fits the challenge and does poorly, then have one thats a streach for the challenge do well. This is personal opinion but I feel it is in the spirit of this site and what all the different challenges are about.
I didn't try to go for the WOW factor, and really didn't expect to win. But I did. I respect others opinions that disagree with it's place, but you need to look at the whole. For the most part, voters liked it.
Hopefully we can put this to rest now and focus on the challenges ahead. Thats also in the spirit of this site. I've had my moment of glory, and until I win again, (if I win again) I will admire the next winning shot, and let them have their 15 minutes of fame.
I hope everyone can agree on this! If for some reason you would like to coninue this debate with me please don't do it here, PM me. I would be glad to listen to your opinion without splitting the people here anymore. There's already been enough strife in recent events!
Good luck to all and thank you for reading a long winded post!
With best regards,
Aaron |
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06/25/2004 02:42:16 AM · #11 |
At first I was skeptical about the winning photo.
Originally posted by Konador:
Maybe no WOW factor but it does have the look and feel of a professional business portrait, which is where it draws it's parody from imo. |
But Ben's above comment says all that needs to be said about why this photo won.
Lee
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06/25/2004 09:16:36 AM · #12 |
| I recognized it as an extremely well executed shot on first viewing. Aaronb532, I'm guessing that you are a photographer by profession, or at least have serious training in that area. Do you do digital photography in your work? What Kind? |
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06/25/2004 09:36:35 AM · #13 |
If the people that authored those posts had a shred of decency they'd go edit their posts.
Leaving comments during a challenge while voting is one thing, but posting negative comments on a photo simply because it scored well and you though it shouldn't is very childish and arrogant. You know better then all the voters here? You are a better photographer? Grow up! Your comments are an insult to the photographer and everyone that voted. |
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06/25/2004 09:45:26 AM · #14 |
| Given that I have an expectation that all comments should attempt to be constructive and polite, I think the comment thread on the image page is the place to put comments -- that's why it's there. It is to discuss the photo .... |
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06/25/2004 10:23:07 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by louddog:
If the people that authored those posts had a shred of decency they'd go edit their posts.
Leaving comments during a challenge while voting is one thing, but posting negative comments on a photo simply because it scored well and you though it shouldn't is very childish and arrogant. You know better then all the voters here? You are a better photographer? Grow up! Your comments are an insult to the photographer and everyone that voted. |
'Negative' comments are in no way an insult, and even more so not to 'everyone who voted'. Why is it childish and arrogant to think differently from the concensus? A photo does not win because everyone votes it higher than all the others, but because the average vote is higher than all the others. This is tantamount to saying that anyone who voted below that photo's average score is 'childish and arrogant'.
But, if everyone who voted lower than that average had voted around 7, then that average would be higher, and they'd still have voted below the average, and by your argument, still be 'childish and arrogant'. An infinite regression, that tends towards a score of 10, or 1, on every photo.
Many people complain that they don't understand those who voted 1,2,3 or whatever on a successful challenge shot - now we have one or two people explaining why/that they don't like a successful shot, there are more complaints.
I think it is good that people express their dissatisfaction with winning photos: their voices should be louder than that simple vote graph on the image page. The more that people accept that we do not all think the same, the more that people will trust their own reactions to our photos.
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06/25/2004 10:43:08 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Maybe no WOW factor but it does have the look and feel of a professional business portrait, which is where it draws it's parody from imo. |
Not really. Have you looked at executive portraits lately? I normally refrain from commenting on photos, but this one needs some work. |
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