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07/08/2025 07:28:10 AM · #1 |
I’m curious how much scores for everyone drop towards the end of a challenge. Albeit it doesn’t seem to happen if I’m not scoring that well. On the whole it occurs when my image is in the high sixes or in the sevens. I feel the low voters come towards the end. Whether it’s strategic or not, we dare not mention.
So I’m starting this new thread where people can post what their scores were 24hrs before rollover, and give their final score also. Link your photo to the scores.
So I’ll start with my free study 
7.33 24 hrs before
Final score 6.81.
And complementary colours
24hrs before 6.94
Final score 6.32
Message edited by author 2025-07-08 08:25:42. |
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07/08/2025 01:13:59 PM · #2 |
| You might want to post a reminder (i.e. bump this thread) 24 hours before rollover or people (i.e. me) are likely to forget until too late ... |
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07/08/2025 10:55:40 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You might want to post a reminder (i.e. bump this thread) 24 hours before rollover or people (i.e. me) are likely to forget until too late ... |
You may have misinterpreted this thread. This was not about revealing our current scores but about revealing them after rollover.
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07/08/2025 11:19:50 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You might want to post a reminder (i.e. bump this thread) 24 hours before rollover or people (i.e. me) are likely to forget until too late ... |
You may have misinterpreted this thread. This was not about revealing our current scores but about revealing them after rollover. |
True enough, but I think he may mean that reminder is needed to note WHAT the score is at the pre-24 hour point to be able to post it afterward. |
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07/09/2025 12:11:15 AM · #5 |
24hrs before 6.58
final 6.45
Not much of a drop, the drop came early on, after the third day I think.
Message edited by author 2025-07-09 00:11:59. |
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07/09/2025 12:15:42 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You might want to post a reminder (i.e. bump this thread) 24 hours before rollover or people (i.e. me) are likely to forget until too late ... |
You may have misinterpreted this thread. This was not about revealing our current scores but about revealing them after rollover. |
True enough, but I think he may mean that reminder is needed to note WHAT the score is at the pre-24 hour point to be able to post it afterward. |
What he said ... |
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07/09/2025 12:36:46 AM · #7 |
My Rule of Space II entry was at 6.3125 24h before rollover, and it ended up at 6.3200. That may count as "not scoring that well" for you, though.
Maybe it was people bumping up and down? Did the # of votes go up? |
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07/09/2025 02:35:06 AM · #8 |
Interesting question, Anita.
I haven't specifically observed the last 24 hours. What I've always noticed, however, is that early voters are always more generous and enthusiastic, and the ratings always drop afterward. It's tough and frustrating, but you have to be able to bear it — that's the way it is. Most of us seem to feel the same way, at least that's what I've read here in the forum. That's reassuring and restores balance.
But out of curiosity, I'll probably take a closer look at the next challenges.
Unfortunately, I can't provide any figures at the moment because I didn't pay attention the last few times (hence the reminder 24 hours before). |
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07/09/2025 08:29:10 AM · #9 |
Not complaining about the score but such a drop in 24 hours.
24 hours before: 6.7571
Final score: 6.3750
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07/11/2025 02:06:45 PM · #10 |
(R-25) = 5.1768 / 17 votes
(R+) = 5.0417 / 24 votes |
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07/14/2025 12:44:47 PM · #11 |
(R-24+) = 5.2+ (forgot to check on Saturday)
(R) = 4.9583 |
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07/23/2025 12:06:55 AM · #12 |
24hrs before 6.78
Final score 6.48. |
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07/23/2025 02:00:43 AM · #13 |
Don’t have the exact score but significant drop as experienced by others ..
I’m not sure why this is a seemingly common pattern. Unfortunately with the low voting volume BIG drops are a fact of life.
20 years ago someone dropping a 1 on you was less of a disaster :) |
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07/23/2025 04:10:39 AM · #14 |
The score drop seems to be very consistent these days. I need to remember to stop checking scores and just enjoy the images.
My hidden gems score dropped from 7.3 to 6.8 in the last 6 votes but I really can’t complain with the final score or the placement. There were some awesome images in that challenge.
My extended free study score dropped from 8.4 to 7.8 in the last day, still a killer score. I guess those folks voting 7s were all trolls. 😀 |
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07/23/2025 06:59:28 AM · #15 |
I find the higher my score, the more it drops. If my score is in the low 7’s the day before rollover, I’m fairly confident it will drop to 6.8 or so. On the other hand I’ve had quite a few scores in the low 6 range that held pretty well. When I enter a dud, it seems to hold. LoL
ETA - I definitely agree with the early enthusiasm factor
Message edited by author 2025-07-23 07:00:32. |
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08/01/2025 03:44:29 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
I find the higher my score, the more it drops. If my score is in the low 7’s the day before rollover, I’m fairly confident it will drop to 6.8 or so. On the other hand I’ve had quite a few scores in the low 6 range that held pretty well. When I enter a dud, it seems to hold. LoL
ETA - I definitely agree with the early enthusiasm factor |
Ditto. |
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08/01/2025 03:45:49 AM · #17 |
24 hrs before 7.04
Final score 6.87.
Not massive this time. |
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08/01/2025 08:58:14 AM · #18 |
6.09
5.9
Not a huge drop but still a drop.
Message edited by author 2025-08-01 09:00:36. |
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08/07/2025 09:57:33 AM · #19 |
Same thing happens to me in almost every challenge...score starts of nice and high and then last 2 or 3 days slowly starts dropping reaching a stage where for a few days it sort of hovers at around the same score and then in the final 24 hours drops constantly. In one of the current challenges the first 4 scores had me up at 7.5 then it steadily started dropping and hovered at around 6.6 for a few days and now with 14 hours to go I am at 6.4 and dropping with every vote. But this whole issue begs the question...what then is the voting pattern with the winning entry (Blue Ribbon) over the voting timeframe? Surely the winning entry starts of with a solid high score and basically remains at that high score all the way? Surely it doesn't start of at 10 after the first votes and then displays the same pattern as the other entries dropping steadily in the last 24 hours to then end up at around an 7.5 to 8.something score? Or does it? And if not why would the voting pattern for the winning entry not suffer the same pattern of decline as the other entries?
On the other hand my entries that generally start of with a lowish score like 4 or a medium score like 5 normally start improving slowly and generally end up around 5.8/9 and sometimes even in the low 6's in the last 24 hours
Message edited by author 2025-08-07 11:45:33. |
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08/07/2025 03:39:43 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Same thing happens to me in almost every challenge...score starts of nice and high and then last 2 or 3 days slowly starts dropping reaching a stage where for a few days it sort of hovers at around the same score and then in the final 24 hours drops constantly. In one of the current challenges the first 4 scores had me up at 7.5 then it steadily started dropping and hovered at around 6.6 for a few days and now with 14 hours to go I am at 6.4 and dropping with every vote. But this whole issue begs the question...what then is the voting pattern with the winning entry (Blue Ribbon) over the voting timeframe? Surely the winning entry starts of with a solid high score and basically remains at that high score all the way? Surely it doesn't start of at 10 after the first votes and then displays the same pattern as the other entries dropping steadily in the last 24 hours to then end up at around an 7.5 to 8.something score? Or does it? And if not why would the voting pattern for the winning entry not suffer the same pattern of decline as the other entries?
On the other hand my entries that generally start of with a lowish score like 4 or a medium score like 5 normally start improving slowly and generally end up around 5.8/9 and sometimes even in the low 6's in the last 24 hours |
It definitely does. And with higher votes, the low votes have an even bigger effect. If you have an average of 6.4 and get a 2, you drop less than if you had an average of 7.8.
And it makes sense that some people go up and some people go down. People are going to like different things. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Message edited by author 2025-08-07 15:41:22. |
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08/10/2025 05:25:09 PM · #21 |
It finally occurred to me that in order to get above a 6.0, the image needs to be the quality of 7 - otherwise very few or no one will vote 7 or higher on it. The other thing that is affecting this is the number of votes - which is a running count of votes cast. If the first vote is a 7, the average is 7. And if the 2nd vote is a 5, the average is 6. If subsequent votes are under the average, the average will drop - even if they are all the same. Now, this may be obvious to others - but it was reassuring to me that it was simple math, and nothing nefarious going on... ;-p
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08/10/2025 09:37:00 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by dtremain:
It finally occurred to me that in order to get above a 6.0, the image needs to be the quality of 7 - otherwise very few or no one will vote 7 or higher on it. The other thing that is affecting this is the number of votes - which is a running count of votes cast. If the first vote is a 7, the average is 7. And if the 2nd vote is a 5, the average is 6. If subsequent votes are under the average, the average will drop - even if they are all the same. Now, this may be obvious to others - but it was reassuring to me that it was simple math, and nothing nefarious going on... ;-p |
This is called "Regression to the mean" (ie regression to the underlying "true" mean value as more and more observations are included. It's a statistical concept. It applies to votes that start out low as well as those that start out high. Of course the rise of the former don't bother us as much as the decline of the latter. :-)
PS This only addresses the issue of scores tending to fall on the last day if you are willing to concede that those last day's scores rightly contribute to the "true mean" described above just as much as the earlier votes.
Message edited by author 2025-08-10 23:33:13. |
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08/10/2025 11:42:45 PM · #23 |
It seems the problem is not so much a regression to the mean, but simply that there are some consistent voters that go around during the final hours of the challenge and rate everything low. I agree that this is frustrating, and should not be happening.
On a side note, I play Pokémon Go, and occasionally rate suggested new Pokéstops. Their system will block me out periodically if I rate too many submissions the exact same. A true rating would obviously vary from submission to submission, just as it should here. If the site council is reading this, maybe this could be a future implementation. If a user has too many repetitive ratings (high or low), they should be temporarily suspended from voting, with an explanation. Hopefully something like that would correct the issue. |
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08/12/2025 02:40:48 AM · #24 |
Another challenge another drop from a ‘competitive’ 6.8.x.x to a 6.5.x.x overnight with 2 or 3 votes impacting.
It does seem that consistent late low rating is a regular factor these days.
I used to enjoy the ‘thrill’ of the update button but now agree with the sentiment of just enjoying photography and ignoring the ‘trolls’
Not sure if it’s tactical voting that is ruing the experience for the majority. The is no monetary gain from doing well on this platform.
It would be interesting to track the vote patterns across say the top 10 finishers and see if there are patterns to explain the phenomenon? |
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08/12/2025 02:46:59 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by cools98:
It seems the problem is not so much a regression to the mean, but simply that there are some consistent voters that go around during the final hours of the challenge and rate everything low. I agree that this is frustrating, and should not be happening.
On a side note, I play Pokémon Go, and occasionally rate suggested new Pokéstops. Their system will block me out periodically if I rate too many submissions the exact same. A true rating would obviously vary from submission to submission, just as it should here. If the site council is reading this, maybe this could be a future implementation. If a user has too many repetitive ratings (high or low), they should be temporarily suspended from voting, with an explanation. Hopefully something like that would correct the issue. |
Not sure that I entirely agree regarding ratings. You might expect a bell graph with very few 1’s and 2’s and 9 and 10’s which would mean a high number of 5 and 6
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