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06/09/2004 07:06:37 PM · #1 |
slap my hands if I start to say crop in a photo comment !!!
aaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!
I have just recently realized that I have a tendency to suggest different croppings quite frequently while commenting on photos, either in voting or forums when people ask for comments. I know this is not neccessarily a bad thing, but i can't help but wonder, maybe I'm being too critical? My view of how something should be "framed" is not by any means the "right" way or even any better. I hope that anyone that I have made those comments to, that I presented it subjectively, and it is just opinion. :-)
My question is... Do you have certain "pet peaves", or techniques etc. that you really tend to comment on/suggest ???
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06/09/2004 07:08:56 PM · #2 |
No, your way may not the "the" right way, or even better, however it is your opinion, and may cause the photog to see their work in a different light. I'd continue to give your honest opinion, even if it is often a crop suggestion. You may want to be sure you include a reason why you think a different crop is in order.
Message edited by author 2004-06-09 19:14:18.
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06/09/2004 07:13:01 PM · #3 |
My photographic pet peeves:
1: Obtrusive, inappropriate borders.
2: Centred unimaginative composition.
3: A centred composition of a person or animal, where the eyes are not centred but should be.
4: A moving subject that is not moving into negative space.
5: A crop that does not show a person or animal looking into negative space.
Obviously sometimes these rules can be broken, but many times people don't even think about these things... |
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06/09/2004 07:15:40 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
...but many times people don't even think about these things... |
Luckily there are lots o' folks here waiting to remind them ;)
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06/09/2004 07:19:47 PM · #5 |
| If you express your opinion and offer a constructive suggestion about cropping you are fulfilling the primary purpose of the DPC photo-reviewer. If you say how a photo should have been cropped you'll be ignored at best or considered rude at worst. |
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06/09/2004 08:51:01 PM · #6 |
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06/09/2004 08:58:35 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
My photographic pet peeves:
1: Obtrusive, inappropriate borders.
2: Centred unimaginative composition.
3: A centred composition of a person or animal, where the eyes are not centred but should be.
4: A moving subject that is not moving into negative space.
5: A crop that does not show a person or animal looking into negative space.
Obviously sometimes these rules can be broken, but many times people don't even think about these things... |
Way to think inside the box, Bob ;) |
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06/09/2004 09:01:09 PM · #8 |
I believe that photographers in general are not able to look at anothers shots without considering how they would do them differently. In the public this would be considered rude or arrogant. In this forum however, it is not only suggested we do this, it is by some expected...
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06/09/2004 09:30:14 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
I believe that photographers in general are not able to look at anothers shots without considering how they would do them differently. In the public this would be considered rude or arrogant. In this forum however, it is not only suggested we do this, it is by some expected... |
I agree. Mine is that I am a Freak about how a photo is focused. Also, how it is or isn't colorful and when or when not to make it black and white. |
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06/09/2004 10:05:01 PM · #10 |
I definitely have issues when someone uses a flash inappropriately. Most often it is when the flash is used and creates a very hard shadow on a too near background.
-Danielle
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06/09/2004 10:36:16 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Way to think inside the box, Bob ;) |
Rules are made to be broken. Don't break them, then you are not "creative." Never use them, you don't know what you are doing (like it is never purposeful), etc.
I guess you need to find the balance. Just as always, some like, other don't. Keep shooting |
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06/10/2004 05:13:34 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
My photographic pet peeves:
1: Obtrusive, inappropriate borders.
2: Centred unimaginative composition.
3: A centred composition of a person or animal, where the eyes are not centred but should be.
4: A moving subject that is not moving into negative space.
5: A crop that does not show a person or animal looking into negative space.
Obviously sometimes these rules can be broken, but many times people don't even think about these things... |
Way to think inside the box, Bob ;) |
Pedro, I find your comment and the way you said it quite insulting.
I might add that most of your pictures, especially the ones that scored well all follow the rules I stated above.
I also made it clear in the original comment that these rules can be broken, but I think more people need to have a basic awareness of these things before they can break the rules.
To be creative, most people need to master some basic techniques in any art form that they work in... photography is no different. |
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06/10/2004 09:35:43 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
My photographic pet peeves:
1: Obtrusive, inappropriate borders.
2: Centred unimaginative composition.
3: A centred composition of a person or animal, where the eyes are not centred but should be.
4: A moving subject that is not moving into negative space.
5: A crop that does not show a person or animal looking into negative space.
Obviously sometimes these rules can be broken, but many times people don't even think about these things... |
I think rule 4 has a general exception: a motion blurred subject often works well when moving out of negative space. Otherwise the blur is overwhelmed and becomes insignificant. Some examples from the Motion Blur challenge:
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06/10/2004 09:49:49 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Pedro, I find your comment and the way you said it quite insulting.
I might add that most of your pictures, especially the ones that scored well all follow the rules I stated above.
I also made it clear in the original comment that these rules can be broken, but I think more people need to have a basic awareness of these things before they can break the rules.
To be creative, most people need to master some basic techniques in any art form that they work in... photography is no different. |
Hey Bob, I thought we'd both been around here long enough that I could be a smartass and not hurt any feelings. I assumed with the ;) you'd know i was kidding. My sincere apologies.
Truth be known I follow the rules because I'm not talented enough to recognize a time when it's appropriate to break them. Some of my favourite photos to look at break the rules, I'm just not sure yet why it works in some cases and not others. Ironically your highest scoring photo ever is dead centre and carries a border (though it's not unimaginative and the border is not obtrusive nor inappropriate:))
Anyway, no offense intened, I was mostly just playing. The shred of truth that lies behind the joke though, is that I think some people around here don't realize that the things you suggested are guidelines, not steadfast rules. Many creative photos get marked down because they don't follow the rules, and sometimes that is perfectly appropriate.
I feel like we should have a group hug or summin :) |
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06/10/2004 09:58:24 AM · #15 |
Okay, fair enough...
I do agree though that creative photography should break rules often.
However, my listed pet peeves are when people don't take the time to consider these things.
I think that if people are aware of these rules, 9 times out of 10 when they break them the results will work. When people just don't think about these things, the results rarely work.
I got defensive because I felt like the earlier comment said I was not imaginative, but I guess I misinterpreted that.
No hard feelings!
Bob |
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06/10/2004 10:03:49 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Okay, fair enough...
I do agree though that creative photography should break rules often.
However, my listed pet peeves are when people don't take the time to consider these things.
I think that if people are aware of these rules, 9 times out of 10 when they break them the results will work. When people just don't think about these things, the results rarely work.
I got defensive because I felt like the earlier comment said I was not imaginative, but I guess I misinterpreted that.
No hard feelings!
Bob |
I don't think anyone with this in their portfolio could be considered unimaginative :)
...and i agree with what you said above, for the record. |
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06/10/2004 10:06:17 AM · #17 |
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06/10/2004 12:03:09 PM · #18 |
and...
6. Overly saturated photos
7. Portraits of people, especially of children and women, with an overtly 'commercial' appeal, void of much else
8. Any sunset aunt Peggy could have taken in Las Vegas or Moosejaw, Canada, which says: "Look that's me there by the cement mixer!"
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06/10/2004 01:07:31 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
and...
6. Overly saturated photos
7. Portraits of people, especially of children and women, with an overtly 'commercial' appeal, void of much else
8. Any sunset aunt Peggy could have taken in Las Vegas or Moosejaw, Canada, which says: "Look that's me there by the cement mixer!" |
I have an Aunt Peggy from Moosejaw. I'm serious. :) |
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06/10/2004 01:44:08 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
I have an Aunt Peggy from Moosejaw. I'm serious. :) |
My apologies to Peggy and all the members of her tribe. She's, I have little doubt, a charming personage of good repute. Good photographers, however, like true artists, are differently weft.
When you see her, tell her I would dance with her, but, no, I wouldn't want to look at her albums, of which, I also sure, she has a few. ;-)
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06/10/2004 01:57:20 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by Pedro:
I have an Aunt Peggy from Moosejaw. I'm serious. :) |
My apologies to Peggy and all the members of her tribe. She's, I have little doubt, a charming personage of good repute. Good photographers, however, like true artists, are differently weft.
When you see her, tell her I would dance with her, but, no, I wouldn't want to look at her albums, of which, I also sure, she has a few. ;-) |
This stuff is why I`m glad I joined the site..it`s priceless. :)
Incidentally, I don`t have a rule book on photography or a peeve list..I simply look at an image and if it looks good and touches places inside..then I like it.
Way too simple for some, I would imagine, but it`s all I`m ever going to aspire to (Being the lazy type). |
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06/10/2004 02:27:41 PM · #22 |
the purist - "avoid cropping at all costs"
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06/10/2004 02:29:22 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
My apologies to Peggy and all the members of her tribe. She's, I have little doubt, a charming personage of good repute. Good photographers, however, like true artists, are differently weft.
When you see her, tell her I would dance with her, but, no, I wouldn't want to look at her albums, of which, I also sure, she has a few. ;-) |
She loves to dance. She turns 90 this year. I'll let her know you'll call her next time you're through. She's more the type to take it in and savour it than take a photo of it, so you're safe.
P
ps oh yeah...she prefers 'Peg' ;) |
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06/10/2004 02:32:58 PM · #24 |
oh yeah - and my pet peeve list (i'll give the abridged version ;)
photos of pets
photos taken at standing-eye level
photos using flash
photos of friends at clubs/bars (esp with flash)
photos where a small sliver of the subject is cut off
oh wait... abridged... ok i'll stop :|
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06/10/2004 02:45:05 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
...She loves to dance. She turns 90 this year... |
90 with grace is better than 19 with heels. But... do they tango in Moosejaw?
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