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06/04/2004 08:53:31 AM · #26
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

Originally posted by dhare:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time...to judge overall composition.


You can change how long a shot stays on the LCD after you take a shot, it's in the options menu.

Can you help me through this? I can find that control anywhere.

This is in CSM Menu # 22 Monitor Off. 10sec, 20sec, on up to like 10 minutes. Need more time for CHIMPING eh? LOL
WOWWOOOOOWWWW!!

I take back my only gripe against the D70. Thanks for this. For some reason, I've never noticed that feature.

What's chimping?
06/04/2004 08:55:53 AM · #27
Originally posted by Koriyama:

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

Originally posted by dhare:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time...to judge overall composition.


You can change how long a shot stays on the LCD after you take a shot, it's in the options menu.

Can you help me through this? I can find that control anywhere.

This is in CSM Menu # 22 Monitor Off. 10sec, 20sec, on up to like 10 minutes. Need more time for CHIMPING eh? LOL
WOWWOOOOOWWWW!!

I take back my only gripe against the D70. Thanks for this. For some reason, I've never noticed that feature.

What's chimping?


Looking at your photos on the screen and going OO OOooo! Then showing other people, Ooo Oooo look at that! Ooo OOO!
06/04/2004 10:30:34 AM · #28
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My least favorite feature of the DSLR is that I can't see what ISO i'm shooting at when I look through the viewfinder.

You just need a different DSLR. That is a user-selectable option on mine. =]
06/04/2004 11:14:42 AM · #29
Originally posted by Adrian Tung:

The main thing that bugs me the most about the 10D is the lack of a spot meter.


!! Yes, absolutely. And...

ΓΆ€ΒΆ USB 1 (slow download times, need for a card reader)
ΓΆ€ΒΆ display on top of camera, instead of on back above LCD (you need platform shoes or high heels)
ΓΆ€ΒΆ The viewfinder isn't cupped (like on a Sony F717/828) and too shallow (great for boxers and people with broken noses)
06/04/2004 11:20:24 AM · #30
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My least favorite feature of the DSLR is that I can't see what ISO i'm shooting at when I look through the viewfinder.

You just need a different DSLR. That is a user-selectable option on mine. =]


That feature isn't worth $3k to me :)
06/04/2004 11:22:49 AM · #31
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

That feature isn't worth $3k to me :)

Trust me when I say that you get lots of other cool stuff along with that feature =]
06/04/2004 11:25:27 AM · #32
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

That feature isn't worth $3k to me :)

Trust me when I say that you get lots of other cool stuff along with that feature =]


I have looked at all the cool features of the Mark II and still could not justify spending the money for it. Don't get me wrong.. it's a great camera but I coulnd't take great advantage of the extras that it has.
06/08/2004 10:56:01 AM · #33
Originally posted by wimbello:

Not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, but i'm just wondering:
Did anyone expect to be able to use the LCD as a viewfinder?

Because it is an SLR, and having used film SLR's in the past, I in no way expected it...


Actually, I did and I even asked for help here when I couldn't figure out how to turn the LCD on. LOL...

As for the original question, my biggest beef with the 300D is the lack of spot metering and the fact that the built in flash only has two options, plain flash or red eye reduction. I was used to my Dimage7i that had fill flash and rear sync flash. Another thing I don't like is not beign able to shoot black and white.

June
06/08/2004 11:00:59 AM · #34
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My least favorite feature of the DSLR is that I can't see what ISO i'm shooting at when I look through the viewfinder. My most common mistake with the DSLR is shooting at the wrong ISO for my intended results. Sometimes it's obvious when I see a shutter speed that is out of whack. Other times it's not so obvious...


That doesn't bother me at all really, so it must be different for different people. I never knew with my old Pentax K1000 either. I just set the ISO ahead of time for my shot and take photos. If your shutterspeed is too slow, then adjust the ISO, it's easy!

On another note, the only downfall to my 10D is the weight. If I don't bring a tripod with me, it can be hard to balance without shaking, especially with one hand (and yes, I have needed to do that before while holding up a light blocker and such). Other than that, I LOVE that I can get tons of different lenses for it, and since I had a canon EF camera before, I can use those lenses now! Good luck on your new D-SLR, whichever you choose.

Oh, I remember a forum where someone did a comparison. The Canon 10D photos tend to be a tad warmer, but not much. I don't remember what the other results are. Try a forum search!
06/08/2004 11:03:03 AM · #35
Originally posted by wkoffel:

The Canon File Viewer software is free, and comes with the Camera, but it's also not very good. It's so SLOW as to be unusable for working with batches of RAW files. I quickly switched to alternate RAW workflow.


Speaking of file naming. I have been using the Bulk Rename Utility (do a search for it on google.com) and it's excellent. It was overwhelming to look at at first, but I just started messing with it, and it's amazing!!!!!! It's superfast too!
06/08/2004 11:04:20 AM · #36
Originally posted by chiqui74:

my biggest beef with the 300D is the lack of spot metering

You can switch to partial spot metering in any of the "creative modes" by pushing the FE lock button. As long as you can zoom in (with your lens or your feet) and fill the center circle in the viewfinder with what you want to meter, you have spot metering.

Originally posted by chiqui74:

and the fact that the built in flash only has two options, plain flash or red eye reduction. I was used to my Dimage7i that had fill flash and rear sync flash.

Av mode meters for ambient light and uses the flash for fill. Adding an external 550EX flash will provide you with the option for second-curtain sync.

Originally posted by chiqui74:

Another thing I don't like is not beign able to shoot black and white.

This is just Canon being "smart". You can achieve much better B&W images in post by using tools like the Channel Mixer than you can by simply desaturating a color image (which is what a camera shooting in B&W mode does).
06/08/2004 11:05:07 AM · #37
Originally posted by Adrian Tung:

The main thing that bugs me the most about the 10D is the lack of a spot meter.

Edit: ... and the way the camera handles E-TTL metering - via the current active focus point, and can't be changed except via workarounds (e.g. manual focus, or using * button to focus).

:)atwl


True, I do get annoyed with the auto-focus. I try to do a 'recompose' but it often changes on me. So, I usually work in manual mode, which is better for us anyhow if we really want to become great!
06/08/2004 11:06:36 AM · #38
Although not a real complaint about the D70 is the fact that on a couple of occasions I have not carefully checked the camera setting before shooting. Totally my fault. I shot a bunch of photos outdoors with fluoresent WB. Check your setting!! They were not pretty at all. That said, this a fine camera that will keep me challenged for quite some time to come.
06/08/2004 11:10:20 AM · #39
Originally posted by SMW409:

Although not a real complaint about the D70 is the fact that on a couple of occasions I have not carefully checked the camera setting before shooting. Totally my fault. I shot a bunch of photos outdoors with fluoresent WB. Check your setting!! They were not pretty at all. That said, this a fine camera that will keep me challenged for quite some time to come.


This happened to me the first week I got my 300D. I went to the Amalfi Coast and shot hundreds of beautiful pictures....with the wrong white balance, so they were all blue. I check now.

June
06/08/2004 11:12:16 AM · #40
Originally posted by mirdonamy:

True, I do get annoyed with the auto-focus. I try to do a 'recompose' but it often changes on me. So, I usually work in manual mode, which is better for us anyhow if we really want to become great!

You really should try moving AF to the "*" key. It is most excellent, especially for "recomposing". (See this thread for other benefits.) When I had my 10D, I found it almost impossible to out-perform the auto-focus accuracy of the camera (I did several tests with some fast lenses wide-open, and my manual focus attempts were always worse. And yes, my diopter is adjusted properly and I have very good eyesight.) The only time I ever used manual focus was doing macro work, and even then, only for focus "touch up".

Message edited by author 2004-06-08 11:13:47.
06/08/2004 11:17:36 AM · #41
My biggest beef has been using the wrong settings. I've had many times where I've left the wron ISO in place, or had the camera in the wrong program mode just because I forgot. Autofocus has been a bit frustrating in some conditions, but I've almost trained myself to flip to manual without thinking about it when my image is tough to lock on. Surprisingly, I haven't found the bulk of the camera too frustrating. I wore it hiking with the neck strap for almost 5 hours yesterday without too much difficulty.
06/08/2004 11:33:34 AM · #42
These probably apply to any dSLR:
Weight and size: Larger and heavier than film SLRs I used in the past(F3, FM2n) This isn't a problem for carrying the camera, but it attracts more attention which makes candids difficult
Small viewfinder: Smaller that good film SLRs and full frame digital. Mashing my face to the back of the camera gets old... I wear glasses.
No manual focus assist: There is not split screen, or similar, to help with manual focus.
06/08/2004 11:48:06 AM · #43
Originally posted by Nusbaum:

No manual focus assist: There is not split screen, or similar, to help with manual focus.

Unfortunately this is a "design side-effect" (akin to not having "live LCD preview" because of the mirror). Having a split-image and microprism collar etched into the focusing screen would prevent the center AF point from being able to function. That being said, if you're willing to forgo AF, you can have such a screen installed in your 10D from places like BrightScreen. Canon's 1-series cameras have interchangeable focusing screens (including a split-prism model) that cost about $30/each.

Message edited by author 2004-06-08 11:49:58.
06/08/2004 12:09:39 PM · #44
Back to the original question, I find the slow warm up time incredibly annoying, everything the others have mentioned in this thread doesn't really worry me, but power up is slow. I've frequently had to ask people to wait whilst the autostart kicks in.

06/08/2004 12:09:46 PM · #45
With my D70 I can't seem to figure out (and it's probably not possible) if I can manually set the focus priority (i.e. left, right, top, bottom or center). It offers me the ability to do continuous focus, dynamic focus, closest subject priority, but I'd really like to be able to flip some sort of dial to set a focus priority myself. Sometimes those automatic things just don't apply.

However, other than that, I LOVE this camera. If I wasn't afraid of breaking it, I'd sleep with it under my pillow.
06/08/2004 12:13:54 PM · #46
Originally posted by Falc:

I find the slow warm up time incredibly annoying

Just remember that it is fast compared to most P&S's that have retractable zoom lenses. (And note that some DSLR's are "instant on".) One of the easiest ways around the problem on the 10D is to extend the auto-power-off timeout to something longer, especially if you are in a situation where you know you might be taking pictures a few minutes apart. Since there is minimal battery drain with the camera just "hanging there", this won't affect your battery life much.
06/08/2004 12:27:23 PM · #47
Originally posted by ccraft:

With my D70 I can't seem to figure out (and it's probably not possible) if I can manually set the focus priority (i.e. left, right, top, bottom or center). It offers me the ability to do continuous focus, dynamic focus, closest subject priority, but I'd really like to be able to flip some sort of dial to set a focus priority myself. Sometimes those automatic things just don't apply.

However, other than that, I LOVE this camera. If I wasn't afraid of breaking it, I'd sleep with it under my pillow.

You can select the focus area in M, A, S, P, and macro (flower). I leave mine on Dnamic, unless I KNOW I am shooting staionary objects.
06/08/2004 01:26:52 PM · #48
the warm-up time on the d70 isn't a problem at all. instant-on. i believe nikon's quoted startup time is .2 seconds. either way, the camera is super fast and ready before i am. i do like the adjustable focus points..

ccraft, if you're shooting in M,A,S,or P (not sure about the others) you can adjust which focal point the camera uses for the autofocus. for example, if you set the cam to p, you'll see the little center "box" is lit in black, in your viewfinder. if you hit the side arrows or up/down arrows on the pad in the back of the camera, the primary focus point will move, and be highlighted black. also, the little switch labeled "L" on the bottom right of the LCD is the lock to prevent you from changing this focus point. so if you move it, and flick the L switch, you won't be able to change your focus point again until you unlock it.

i think that was your question :)
06/08/2004 01:46:14 PM · #49
I have a couple:

- That I don't have more lenses to go with it. I have the Sigma 12-24, Canon 28-135, Canon 50mm f1.8 and Sigma 105 macro.

I'd like the 35mm f2, 28mm f1.8, 85mm f1.8, and a longer zoom like a 70-200 or 100-400.

Lenses are addictive.

- Also, I have no use for the auto modes, Portrait, flower, etc. They are just useless.


06/08/2004 03:28:08 PM · #50
i just leave my camera on all the time when i'm using it. It does not hurt it at all. i've also increased the auto-sleep time to 8 minutes, I believe.

Even with these settings, my battery still goes for a week. And on top of that, I have an extra battery :).

Originally posted by Falc:

Back to the original question, I find the slow warm up time incredibly annoying, everything the others have mentioned in this thread doesn't really worry me, but power up is slow. I've frequently had to ask people to wait whilst the autostart kicks in.

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