Dadaism challenge Why not in Extended?

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09/19/2017 07:05:57 PM · #26

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Lydia:
I have to enter... it's not in me to not enter... so... here we are. Ha!

Exactly -- my entry was in yesterday. :-)

May the Force be with us. *rolleyes*

GeneralE

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09/19/2017 07:08:16 PM · #27

Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Lydia:
I have to enter... it's not in me to not enter... so... here we are. Ha!

Exactly -- my entry was in yesterday. :-)

May the Farce be with us. *rolleyes*

Fixed your typo ... :-)

snaffles

09/19/2017 07:34:31 PM · #28

Originally posted by Lydia:

We all need to know that the only grade of "D' Lydia has ever gotten was in "Intro to Music" in college. (She was happy to get it, by the end.)...

....*snort* hey that's nothin, I completely failed Instrumental Music in BOTH grades 7 and 8!! And have many Ds and C-s in maff,thankya verra much...;-)

09/19/2017 07:39:37 PM · #29

well, my take on Dadaism is that it is very Monty Pythonesque, and they did all their stuff by stop motion with cutouts (or most of it)... and it was all very silly. weren't no fancy 'puters 'n PS back in those days... so get to it ya bloody puffcas! ;-)

Lydia

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09/19/2017 08:03:09 PM · #30

LOL @ The Gen and Susan!

Now that I look at my monstrosity stupidism image... it will either soar or.... I'll get the coveted Brown... or... I'll be Mediocre.

And, I'm okay with any now that I've learned how silly Dadaism is.

I think that that "anti-art art" was also much of a "Brilliant" or "Loser" decree on all of it.

As it should be.

*rolleyes*

skewsme

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09/19/2017 09:41:12 PM · #31

behold krnodil's

posthumous

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09/19/2017 09:43:50 PM · #32

Originally posted by Lydia:

Georges' tiny scenes are all Dadaism?

No, pretty sure none of them are. He's just showing that you can set up a photo to resemble a painting.

Originally posted by Lydia:

But, Christophe's lake platform isn't?

Correct. The picture that Christophe copied is Surrealism, not Dada. It is "super realism," in other words, an extreme, dream-like reality. Everything is twisted 90 degrees. Dada isn't trying to create a new reality. It's just trying to break down the old one, or at least make fun of it.

pointandshoot

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09/19/2017 10:54:08 PM · #33

Originally posted by skewsme:

behold krnodil's

Karen was born too late, this is classic da-da, especially the text color.

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09/19/2017 11:08:22 PM · #34

DaDa was like the Marx Brothers of Art. Or, as

mefnj mentioned, Mony Pythonesque. It's an excuse to get silly, but it helps if there's some sort of poignant or visceral depth to the silliness...

Art Roflmao

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09/20/2017 01:58:38 AM · #35

It's way out of my comfort zone, but I'll give it a shot.
Also, I'm happy with the choice of Standard Editing for this one.

tnun

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09/20/2017 02:23:25 AM · #36

I'm with Bear and that whatsisname mony pyhon.

ubique

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09/20/2017 02:39:00 AM · #37

Making it Standard Editing is itself a deliciously Dadist gesture. If you don't see that it might be best to not enter.

09/25/2017 01:25:43 PM · #38

maybe a SC can weigh in...

i am assuming this workflow is legal under Standard rules
1) capture photos
2) print photos
3) cut photos up
4) assemble photos into single scene
5) capture photo of scene
6) additional editing of the final capture in compliance with Standard rules

if above is legal, would replacing steps (2) to (4) with digital assembly, then printing and capturing a final photograph be legal?

i am asking mostly because it is far easier to work with digital "cutouts" than actual hardcopy prints, but is still in the spirit of this Dadaism challenge.

Message edited by author 2017-09-25 13:26:39.

posthumous

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09/25/2017 01:40:23 PM · #39

Originally posted by mefnj:

so in other words, make a photo with extended editing rules, print it out, and then take a picture of it.

I don't see any possible problem with that. That's not subverting Standard editing rules at all.

Oh yes, this should be smooth sailing for you.

09/25/2017 04:10:46 PM · #40

Originally posted by mefnj:

Don pretty well nailed this one, albeit with his deadpan sarcasm. We don't allow the creation of photomontages to circumvent the standard editing rules.

The "artwork" rule says "You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."

That precludes what you are discussing. Both halves of it, actually.

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09/25/2017 06:48:54 PM · #41

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:
maybe a SC can weigh in...

i am assuming this workflow is legal under Standard rules
1) capture photos
2) print photos
3) cut photos up
4) assemble photos into single scene
5) capture photo of scene
6) additional editing of the final capture in compliance with Standard rules

if above is legal, would replacing steps (2) to (4) with digital assembly, then printing and capturing a final photograph be legal?

i am asking mostly because it is far easier to work with digital "cutouts" than actual hardcopy prints, but is still in the spirit of this Dadaism challenge.

Don pretty well nailed this one, albeit with his deadpan sarcasm. We don't allow the creation of photomontages to circumvent the standard editing rules.

The "artwork" rule says "You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."

That precludes what you are discussing. Both halves of it, actually.

wait wait wait... when you say "both halves of it, actually" are you saying the first scenario of making a collage/composite from photo printouts that are cut up would be illegal?

that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together.

and on a related note, some of the Dadaist used words on their works, basically cut out from newspapers or magazines. this is not text added during editing as the Standard rules state. if i print some text and add it to my collage, that would be illegal for this challenge under Standard editing rules?

please clarify. thanks.

RKT

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09/25/2017 09:50:29 PM · #42

"that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together"

Not true, not even close. Also Dada isn't a "style", but more a way of thinking.

09/25/2017 09:59:08 PM · #43

You can incorporate text if it is included in your composition before shooting. It can't be a copyright notice or anything that identifies you. You can't add it in post.

skewsme

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09/25/2017 10:21:52 PM · #44

please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

09/25/2017 10:25:03 PM · #45

Originally posted by RKT:

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

i'm not stupid. i realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

09/25/2017 10:26:34 PM · #46

Originally posted by skewsme:

please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

wow! where is that coming from? i didn't say i didn't like it. i just don't want to get DQ'd. please take it down a notch.

09/25/2017 10:32:40 PM · #47

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

You can incorporate text if it is included in your composition before shooting. It can't be a copyright notice or anything that identifies you. You can't add it in post.

i totally get that i can't add text in post under standard.

but are you agreeing that my first scenario... assembly of pieces from one or more PHYSICAL, printed out photos and then capturing the end result ... is legal under Standard rules?

i'm not trying to be difficult, just don't want to waste my time doing something that is illegal and likely to get DQ'd.

Message edited by author 2017-09-25 22:34:11.

09/25/2017 10:37:04 PM · #48

Originally posted by mefnj:

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

I'm not stupid. I realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

Of COURSE they composited. And so may you, if you use found materials like they did and create assemblages from them and photograph them. Magazine pages, newspaper headlines, bus schedules. Tide tables, go for it! 3-dimensional found objects. go for it. Where you're gonna run into trouble is if you composite newish materiel of your own making into photo-realistic assemblages.

Relax a little, have fun. That's what this challenge is about :-)

09/25/2017 11:30:46 PM · #49

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:
are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

I'm not stupid. I realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

Of COURSE they composited. And so may you, if you use found materials like they did and create assemblages from them and photograph them. Magazine pages, newspaper headlines, bus schedules. Tide tables, go for it! 3-dimensional found objects. go for it. Where you're gonna run into trouble is if you composite newish materiel of your own making into photo-realistic assemblages.

Relax a little, have fun. That's what this challenge is about :-)

c'mon... now you are putting new conditions on what can be composited based on whether it is "found" or newly created. if that's the case, it should have been added as a special rule for this challenge.

and you keep using the term "photorealistic"... if i captured a photo of a cat and a photo of wooden rocking horse, printed them out, and then stuck the cat's head on the rocking horse body, that would not really be photorealistic. it is not meant to fool anyone into thinking it was a real object in the real world. it would be a composite of two new photos, which according to your new "found materials" rule would be subject to a DQ.

skewsme